Truthful answers

[mikeboll64]

Hi All,

I need your help to see if I've just lost my mind or what.

MY QUESTION:
Trinitarian Greek EXPERT Murray J. Harris has written: “Accordingly, from the point of view of grammar alone, [QEOS HN hO LOGOS] could be rendered “the Word was a god,….” -Jesus As God, 1992, p. 60.

Trinitarian Greek EXPERT C. H. Dodd says: “If a translation were a matter of substituting words, a possible translation of [QEOS EN hO LOGOS]; would be, “The Word was a god”. As a word-for-word translation it cannot be faulted.”

ACCORDING TO THESE VERY LEARNED TRINITARIAN EXPERTS IN THE GREEK LANGUAGE, is “the Word was a god” a GRAMMATICALLY POSSIBLE translation of John 1:1c?  YES or NO?

KATHI'S ANSWER:

Obviously, they say that it is…so yes, the 'experts' you quoted say that it is grammatically possible.

KEITH'S REPEATED ANSWER:

NO!

Keith has insisted that he's answered this question honestly.  I disagree.  What do you all think?  Keep in mind that I repeatedly explained to Keith that I wasn't asking if the “a god” translation was his personal choice, or even if it was the PREFERRED translation of the scholars I quoted.  I was asking ONLY if it was GRAMMATICALLY POSSIBLE……….ACCORDING TO THEIR VERY WORDS I POSTED.

Thanks,
mike

[Lightenup]

Mike,
I thought that Keith said 'yes' to that later on.
Kathi

[mikeboll64]

He has still NOT said “Yes” to this day. Nor has Jack or mikeangel. They have all dug their heels in and stuck with “NO!”.  So please vote Kathi.

mike

[Baker]

Mike!  I really don't know what the big deal is.  There are plenty of Scriptures that say Almighty God is ONE, there is none besides Him.  If WJ does not get it, God is not letting Him.  And you can talk to Him until you blue in the face.  I have done that with one of our Son's, He believes the way He wants to no matter what.  And I also think that WJ will do the same….Peace and love Irene

[Baker]

Sorry, about my last post, I am getting tired… didn't understand what you wanted….. I don' get it why Keith would say no………..I say it can be yes, the Experts say so…… Irene

[terraricca]

Mike

did WJ ever quoted other experts in good reputation that may have a different view on it

if NO why would WJ who love to use and Kathi too the expert comments.and not accept them as true.

Pierre

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 03 2011,20:17)

Mike, I thought that Keith said 'yes' to that later on. Kathi

Kathi

I did say YES “to those scholars” it is grammatically possible.

But my answer is still “NO” because other scholars disagree and the final conclusion was they all translated John 1:1c without the [a].

Mike should appologize for insinuating I am dishonest and a liar.

WJ

[Baker]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 05 2011,01:59)

Quote (Lightenup @ April 03 2011,20:17) Mike, I thought that Keith said 'yes' to that later on. Kathi Kathi I did say YES “to those scholars” it is grammatically possible. But my answer is still “NO” because other scholars disagree and the final conclusion was they all translated John 1:1c without the [a]. Mike should appologize for insinuating I am dishonest and a liar. WJ

Keith, so what you are saying, some say yes, and you did too, but then some say no, and you did too… How will you tell who is right from those Experts?
Peace Irene

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Baker @ April 04 2011,10:03)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 05 2011,01:59) Quote (Lightenup @ April 03 2011,20:17) Mike, I thought that Keith said 'yes' to that later on. Kathi Kathi I did say YES “to those scholars” it is grammatically possible. But my answer is still “NO” because other scholars disagree and the final conclusion was they all translated John 1:1c without the [a]. Mike should appologize for insinuating I am dishonest and a liar. WJ Keith, so what you are saying, some say yes, and you did too, but then some say no, and you did too…  How will you tell who is right from those Experts?   Peace Irene

Ask Mike since he insist only “2” scholars are right yet those two scholars translated John 1:1c “The Word was God” without the [a] like the NWT translated it.

WJ

[Lightenup]

Hi Keith,
I thought that you did and yes, I know that you disagree with them, so do I. I don't think Mike saw the post where you admitted that according to the scholars' quote, they said that it was grammatically possible. Mike just missed that, I guess. It is not hard to miss a post when there are so many of them. I hope he can put this behind him 'cause it doesn't really matter.

Kathi

[Lightenup]

I would really like to know who said that 'only Keith has answered honestly' and why they said that.  C'mon fess up!  Back that vote up with some reason or admit that you weren't truthful or misunderstood or something, I know we all can make a mistake.

Kathi

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 04 2011,11:19)

Hi Keith, I thought that you did and yes, I know that you disagree with them, so do I.  I don't think Mike saw the post where you admitted that according to the scholars' quote, they said that it was grammatically possible.  Mike just missed that, I guess.  It is not hard to miss a post when there are so many of them.  I hope he can put this behind him 'cause it doesn't really matter. Kathi

No Kathi

Mike didn't miss it and I will show every one how it went down in my next post.

Mike owes me an appology for accusing me of being dishonest and lying. He wants to give me a tile when I honestly answer his post yet he can call me a liar and not get a tile.

Watch and see how this goes down.

WJ

[Kangaroo Jack Jr.]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 05 2011,03:19)

Hi Keith, I thought that you did and yes, I know that you disagree with them, so do I.  I don't think Mike saw the post where you admitted that according to the scholars' quote, they said that it was grammatically possible.  Mike just missed that, I guess.  It is not hard to miss a post when there are so many of them.  I hope he can put this behind him 'cause it doesn't really matter. Kathi

Kathi,

Mike saw the post alright. He's just being a bully.

Jack

[Kangaroo Jack Jr.]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 05 2011,05:19)

Quote (Lightenup @ April 04 2011,11:19) Hi Keith, I thought that you did and yes, I know that you disagree with them, so do I.  I don't think Mike saw the post where you admitted that according to the scholars' quote, they said that it was grammatically possible.  Mike just missed that, I guess.  It is not hard to miss a post when there are so many of them.  I hope he can put this behind him 'cause it doesn't really matter. Kathi No Kathi Mike didn't miss it and I will show every one how it went down in my next post. Mike owes me an appology for accusing me of being dishonest and lying. He wants to give me a tile when I honestly answer his post yet he can call me a liar and not get a tile. Watch and see how this goes down. WJ

Keith,

You're right my man. Mike saw your answer for sure but he is acting shamefully. These things must be reported to t8.

Jack

[Kangaroo Jack Jr.]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 05 2011,03:23)

I would really like to know who said that 'only Keith has answered honestly' and why they said that.  C'mon fess up!  Back that vote up with some reason or admit that you weren't truthful or misunderstood or something, I know we all can make a mistake. Kathi

See what Mike has started?

Jack

[Lightenup]

You are right Jack, this poll is unnecessary and I'm sure Mike will see that…we all make mistakes. One thing about polls as you can see with this one, is that you can vote/lie anonymously and no will know who you are and you can be a coward by doing that if that was done intentionally. True Christians don't do that, so, if someone voted like that by lying just to discredit someone else they are not acting like a true Christian and to do that is to attempt to slander someone which God speaks AGAINST. (I am not talking about you Jack, just to be clear. I don't think that you would do that.) I am suspicious of who did that…in other words, taken that 'opportunity' that is to anonymously slander me. Oh well, I will forgive them and go on. They should apologize IF they voted dishonestly in the attempt to discredit Keith or myself. But, like I said, it could have been an honestly confused person.

Kathi

[Kangaroo Jack Jr.]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 05 2011,06:46)

You are right Jack, this poll is unnecessary and I'm sure Mike will see that…we all make mistakes.  One thing about polls as you can see with this one, is that you can vote/lie anonymously and no will know who you are and you can be a coward by doing that if that was done intentionally.  True Christians don't do that, so, if someone voted like that by lying just to discredit someone else they are not acting like a true Christian and to do that is to attempt to slander someone which God speaks AGAINST.  (I am not talking about you Jack, just to be clear.  I don't think that you would do that.)  I am suspicious of who did that…in other words, taken that 'opportunity' that is to anonymously slander me.  Oh well, I will forgive them and go on.  They should apologize IF they voted dishonestly in the attempt to discredit Keith or myself.  But, like I said, it could have been an honestly confused person. Kathi

Kathi,

Mike started all this crap about certain people being dishonest and now others are copying him. t8 is allowing Mike to take this forum down the toilet. What a shame!

Jack

[terraricca]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 05 2011,09:24)

Quote (Baker @ April 04 2011,10:03) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 05 2011,01:59) Quote (Lightenup @ April 03 2011,20:17) Mike, I thought that Keith said 'yes' to that later on. Kathi Kathi I did say YES “to those scholars” it is grammatically possible. But my answer is still “NO” because other scholars disagree and the final conclusion was they all translated John 1:1c without the [a]. Mike should appologize for insinuating I am dishonest and a liar. WJ Keith, so what you are saying, some say yes, and you did too, but then some say no, and you did too…  How will you tell who is right from those Experts?   Peace Irene Ask Mike since he insist only “2” scholars are right yet those two scholars translated John 1:1c “The Word was God” without the [a] like the NWT translated it. WJ

WJ

how is it wen you are invited to show other scholars that may have taken a different view and see what they say BUT YOU DID NOT PRESENT ANY why??

then you call others bully and KJ jumps in on that wagon and escalate the all matter out of tread and context,

just like juveniles
so you say ;yes;leave at that or present your documented prove.

Pierre

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (terraricca @ April 04 2011,15:25)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 05 2011,09:24) Ask Mike since he insist only “2” scholars are right yet those two scholars translated John 1:1c “The Word was God” without the [a] like the NWT translated it. WJ WJ how is it wen you are invited to show other scholars that may have taken a different view and see what they say  BUT YOU DID NOT PRESENT ANY why??

Pierre

I have. You should keep up with the post and stop critisizing others when you don't understand or know whats going on.

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 03 2011,21:11)

He has still NOT said “Yes” to this day.  Nor has Jack or mikeangel.  They have all dug their heels in and stuck with “NO!”.  So please vote Kathi. mike

Mike

This is a not true and you shall see.

WJ

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