Truth check

[davidbfun]

I have found that the best way to deceive a person is to keep them “ignorant” of the truth.

This is why I am asking a favor of the members here to take 2 minutes of your time to post the parts of speech and gender for the “Spirit” of God found in Genesis 1:2.

Nothing else. Just the results of a word look up for “Spirit”.

Kerwin already did it, thanks.

Anyone trying to deceive will put other information here to mislead.

[davidbfun]

Gen 1:2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the “Spirit” of God was moving over the surface of the waters.

Spirit = רוח ruwach; Part of Speech feminine noun

[Baker]

this is what google has…

the vital principle or animating force within living things
the general atmosphere of a place or situation and the effect that it has on people; “the feel of the city excited him”; “a clergyman improved the tone of the meeting”; “it had the smell of treason”
a fundamental emotional and activating principle determining one's character
any incorporeal supernatural being that can become visible (or audible) to human beings
emotional state: the state of a person's emotions (especially with regard to pleasure or dejection); “his emotional state depended on her opinion”; “he was in good spirits”; “his spirit rose”
intent: the intended meaning of a communication
liveliness: animation and energy in action or expression; “it was a heavy play and the actors tried in vain to give life to it”
infuse with spirit; “The company spirited him up”
heart: an inclination or tendency of a certain kind; “he had a change of hear

no talk about what gender it is…the Spirit of men has no gender….The Spirit of God has both male and female….Irene

[Ed J]

Google search   …Spirit Gen.1:2…  (Click Here)

Forth one down (Click Here)

The Spirit of YHVH is YHVH himself…

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Baker]

I fond this interesting since it not only has an explanation of the Spiritual, it also has a human one. Even a rock group…. Definitions of spirit on the Web:

the vital principle or animating force within living things
the general atmosphere of a place or situation and the effect that it has on people; “the feel of the city excited him”; “a clergyman improved the tone of the meeting”; “it had the smell of treason”
a fundamental emotional and activating principle determining one's character
any incorporeal supernatural being that can become visible (or audible) to human beings
emotional state: the state of a person's emotions (especially with regard to pleasure or dejection); “his emotional state depended on her opinion”; “he was in good spirits”; “his spirit rose”
intent: the intended meaning of a communication
liveliness: animation and energy in action or expression; “it was a heavy play and the actors tried in vain to give life to it”
infuse with spirit; “The company spirited him up”
heart: an inclination or tendency of a certain kind; “he had a change of heart”
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

The English word spirit (from Latin spiritus “breath”) has many differing meanings and connotations, all of them relating to a non-corporeal substance contrasted with the material body. …
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit

The Spirit (Denny Colt) is a crime-fighting fictional character created by writer-artist Will Eisner. He first appeared June 2, 1940 in “The Spirit Section”, the colloquial name given to a seven-page insert into American Sunday-newspaper comics sections. …
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_(comics)

Spirit is the debut album by British singer Leona Lewis, released by Syco Music in November 2007 in the United Kingdom and Ireland, followed by a worldwide release during early 2008. …
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_(Leona_Lewis_album)

The Spirit is an American comic book adaptation, written and directed by Frank Miller and starring Gabriel Macht, Eva Mendes, Sarah Paulson, Dan Lauria, Paz Vega, Jaime King, Scarlett Johansson, and Samuel L. Jackson. The film is based on the newspaper comic strip The Spirit by Will Eisner. …
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spirit_(film)

Spirit was an American jazz/hard rock/psychedelic band founded in 1967, based in Los Angeles, California.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_(band)

The Social Liberal Party (Dutch: , SLP) was a Belgian Flemish political party formed after dissolution of the moderate nationalist People's Union (Volksunie) party. Prior to 19 April 2008 it was known as Spirit, and intermediately as Flemish Progressives (VlaamsProgressieven). …
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_(political_party)

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[terraricca]

Quote (Baker @ Sep. 04 2010,22:29)

I fond this interesting since it not only has an explanation of the Spiritual, it also has a human one.  Even  a rock group….                                                                                    Definitions of spirit on the Web: the vital principle or animating force within living things the general atmosphere of a place or situation and the effect that it has on people; “the feel of the city excited him”; “a clergyman improved the tone of the meeting”; “it had the smell of treason” a fundamental emotional and activating principle determining one's character any incorporeal supernatural being that can become visible (or audible) to human beings emotional state: the state of a person's emotions (especially with regard to pleasure or dejection); “his emotional state depended on her opinion”; “he was in good spirits”; “his spirit rose” intent: the intended meaning of a communication liveliness: animation and energy in action or expression; “it was a heavy play and the actors tried in vain to give life to it” infuse with spirit; “The company spirited him up” heart: an inclination or tendency of a certain kind; “he had a change of heart” wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn The English word spirit (from Latin spiritus “breath”) has many differing meanings and connotations, all of them relating to a non-corporeal substance contrasted with the material body. … en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit The Spirit (Denny Colt) is a crime-fighting fictional character created by writer-artist Will Eisner. He first appeared June 2, 1940 in “The Spirit Section”, the colloquial name given to a seven-page insert into American Sunday-newspaper comics sections. … en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_(comics) Spirit is the debut album by British singer Leona Lewis, released by Syco Music in November 2007 in the United Kingdom and Ireland, followed by a worldwide release during early 2008. … en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_(Leona_Lewis_album) The Spirit is an American comic book adaptation, written and directed by Frank Miller and starring Gabriel Macht, Eva Mendes, Sarah Paulson, Dan Lauria, Paz Vega, Jaime King, Scarlett Johansson, and Samuel L. Jackson. The film is based on the newspaper comic strip The Spirit by Will Eisner. … en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spirit_(film) Spirit was an American jazz/hard rock/psychedelic band founded in 1967, based in Los Angeles, California. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_(band) The Social Liberal Party (Dutch: , SLP) was a Belgian Flemish political party formed after dissolution of the moderate nationalist People's Union (Volksunie) party. Prior to 19 April 2008 it was known as Spirit, and intermediately as Flemish Progressives (VlaamsProgressieven). … en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_(political_party) Find definitions of spirit in:  Chinese (Simplified)  Chinese (Traditional)  Czech  Dutch   English  French  German  Italian  Korean  Portuguese  Romanian  Russian  Slovak  Spanish  all languages

hi Baker

you are so true in your explanation ,thanks for put it on.some

people here do not understand there own spirit.

Pierre

[davidbfun]

Thanks guys,

This is an interesting view on how people research Bible topics and subjects and why we get such non-Biblical perspectives, no?

Let's debate the rock band….

I was looking at the definition Biblically and for the Hebrew word, Ruwach.

Sorry I didn't make that clear enough.

And one, again, not on topic.

[davidbfun]

Don't forget:

Spirit Airlines

alcoholic beverage or “spirits”,

3rd Person of the Trinity,

Nothing about “parts of speech”, or “gender”…..amazing!

[Baker]

It is unfortunate that the translators have used the word, “spirit” and “soul”, interchangeably.
Paul says there is a “spirit” in man, 1 Cor. 2:11. Why did he call it a spirit? because, as a spirit being, it is the only invisible part of man, it is his mind, with it we think and plan, etc.
God has a mind/spirit, only his mind/spirit is Holy, ours is not. Paul said, “let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus”, Phil. 2:5. What, or whose mind was that? was it not God's Holy Mind/Spirit?

What is a “soul”?

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Did God give man a “soul”, or did man “become” a soul?
The breath of God gave man life, not a soul.

God does everything by the power of his Holy Spirit/Mind, that is how he creates.

Psa 33:9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

And this is what he did in Genesis.

Psa 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

Georg

[JustAskin]

ha ha dbf, even here you are trying to sneakin 'gender'…you really are something…

[GeneBalthrop]

Georg……..You are right on this a Soul is a (BODY) with (SPIRIT) IN it. The spirit is simply (INTELLECT) of the MIND. GOD can destory us by simply not giving us a New Body, for when a man dies his thoughts (Parish) he is gone never to return (UNLESS) GOD the Father resurrects a Body and adds Spirit back into it. The same way it was for Jesus, He would still be dead if GOD did not resurrect Him from the grave and give him spirit back. It is absolute essential we attain unto a resurrection in order to live again after we die. Only GOD can himself lives out side of a Body no one else can. Spirit s the force of life, it animates the body because it controls the mind, it is the primary force behind all things that have life in them. IMO

peace and love to you and Irene………………………….gene

[Baker]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 05 2010,02:01)

Georg……..You are right on this a Soul is a (BODY) with (SPIRIT) IN it. The spirit is simply (INTELLECT) of the MIND. GOD can destory us by simply not giving us a New Body, for when a man dies his thoughts (Parish) he is gone never to return (UNLESS) GOD the Father resurrects a Body and adds Spirit back into  it. The same way it was for Jesus, He would still be dead if GOD did not resurrect Him from the grave and give him spirit back. It is absolute essential we attain unto a resurrection in order to live again after we die.  Only GOD can himself lives out side of a Body no one else can. Spirit s the force of life, it animates the body because it controls the mind, it is the primary force behind all things that have life in them. IMO peace and love to you and Irene………………………….gene

As you said, “IMO”, apparently you don't have any facts.

Georg

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 05 2010,09:01)

Georg……..You are right on this a Soul is a (BODY) with (SPIRIT) IN it. The spirit is simply (INTELLECT) of the MIND. GOD can destory us by simply not giving us a New Body, for when a man dies his thoughts (Parish) he is gone never to return (UNLESS) GOD the Father resurrects a Body and adds Spirit back into  it. The same way it was for Jesus, He would still be dead if GOD did not resurrect Him from the grave and give him spirit back. It is absolute essential we attain unto a resurrection in order to live again after we die.  Only GOD can himself lives out side of a Body no one else can. Spirit s the force of life, it animates the body because it controls the mind, it is the primary force behind all things that have life in them. IMO peace and love to you and Irene………………………….gene

Gene

Ro 12:1 Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God—this is your spiritual act of worship.
Ro 12:2 Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is…

Ro 15:17 Therefore I glory in Christ Jesus in my service to God.
Ro 15:18 I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me in leading the Gentiles to obey God by what I have said and done—

and I believe you are not the apostle Paul?

Pierre

[Baker]

Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 04 2010,20:07)

Thanks guys, This is an interesting view on how people research Bible topics and subjects and why we get such non-Biblical perspectives, no? Let's debate the rock band…. I was looking at the definition Biblically and for the Hebrew word, Ruwach.   Sorry I didn't make that clear enough. And one, again, not on topic.

Maybe we should look at a all what it says about Spirit. Does it matter if it is not all spiritual, some did and some did not…. I find nothing wrong with it…..Sorry I disapointed you….. I don't know any Hebrew or Greek just German and English….That is excatly what the new poll is all about….. Most believe we should go by Scriptures and not what Greek or Hebrew says….Irene

[martian]

Quote (Baker @ Sep. 05 2010,15:07)

Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 04 2010,20:07) Thanks guys, This is an interesting view on how people research Bible topics and subjects and why we get such non-Biblical perspectives, no? Let's debate the rock band…. I was looking at the definition Biblically and for the Hebrew word, Ruwach.   Sorry I didn't make that clear enough. And one, again, not on topic. Maybe we should look at a all what it says about Spirit.  Does it matter if it is not all spiritual, some did and some did not…. I find nothing wrong with it…..Sorry I disapointed you….. I don't know any Hebrew or Greek just German and English….That is excatly what the new poll is all about….. Most believe we should go by Scriptures and not what Greek or Hebrew says….Irene

What?
The Hebrew and the Greek ARE the languages of scripture. English is not!

[martian]

Greek thought views the world through the mind (abstract thought). Ancient Hebrew thought views the world through the senses (concrete thought).
Concrete thought is the expression of concepts and ideas in ways that can be seen, touched, smelled, tasted and/or heard. All five of the senses are used when speaking and hearing and writing and reading the Hebrew language. An example of this can be found in Psalms 1:3; “He is like a tree planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in season, and whose leaf does not wither”. In this passage we have concrete words expressing abstract thoughts, such as a tree (one who is upright, righteous), streams of water (grace), fruit (good character) and a unwithered leaf (prosperity).
Abstract thought is the expression of concepts and ideas in ways that can not be seen, touched, smelled, tasted or heard. Hebrew never uses abstract thought as English does. Examples of Abstract thought can be found in Psalms 103:8; “The LORD is compassionate and gracious, Slow to anger, abounding in love”. As you noticed I said that Hebrew uses concrete and not abstract thoughts, but here we have such abstract concepts as compassionate, gracious, anger, and love in a Hebrew passage. Actually these are abstract English words translating the original Hebrew concrete words. The translators often translate this way because the original Hebrew makes no sense when literally translated into English.
The Hebrew word ru'ach literally means the wind and is derived from the parent root rach a prescribed path. The word rach is not found in the Biblical text but defined by the various child roots derived from it. The child roots derived from this parent root are arach, rachah and yarach. Arach is a traveler who follows a prescribed path from one place to another. Rachah is a millstone which goes round and round in the sense of following a prescribed path to crush grain into flour. Yarach is the root of yere'ach meaning the moon which follows a prescribed path in the night sky. The child root ru'ach is literally the wind that follows a prescribed path each season. By extension ru'ach means the wind of a man or what is usually translated as spirit. A man's wind is not just a spiritual entity within a man but is understood by the Ancient Hebrews as his character.
Spirit can be the Spirit or breath of God or man.

[davidbfun]

Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 05 2010,07:59)

ha ha dbf, even here you are trying to sneakin 'gender'…you really are something…

Hello JA,

Obviously only Kerwin knows how to do word research.

However, you and Ed apparently are 'possibly' the only other ones that know how to look up a Hebrew word in a sentence and find the part of speech and gender.  He doesn't want to publish it here because that would prove that he is trying to deceive the people and I have been after him for two months to show the part of speech for ruwach.  Martian, George and Gene don't know the difference between “spirit” and “soul” and went off on another tangent following Genesis 2:7 which is completely a different Hebrew word “nephesh”.  Terrarica got lost and went to Romans instead of Genesis.  Irene was honest and said she didn't know how to look up a word.

The direction was to look up Genesis 1:2 and find the meaning of ruwach.

Therefore, for those that don't know how to look up words I'll try to give step-by-step directions on how to do word searches.

#1- Type in:  blb.org and go to that site.
#2- In “Search the Bible section” type:  Genesis 1:2 and left click on the white arrow.
#3- To the left of Gen 1:2 “left click” on the white letter “C”.
#4 Go down to the line that says “and the Spriti” and then on the number H7307 -“Left click”
#5- Look at the part of speech heading and what do you read?

If you have followed the directions clearly you will see “feminine noun”. Come back here and post your findings.

Irene, you don't need to be able to read Hebrew because everything is transliterated for you.  Try it and come back here to give me the results, ok?

This look-up is not to “debate” WHAT spirit is i.e. wind, breath, etc only to see the part of speech and gender.

[davidbfun]

Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 05 2010,07:59)

ha ha dbf, even here you are trying to sneakin 'gender'…you really are something…

JA,

You are a moderator and a leader you should be able to do a word search and put the part of speech and gender.

Why don't you?

I don't think that I am asking too much. But after looking at the results, maybe I am.

Kerwin has been the only person to do so but answered in another thread.

I am asking only two things to be posted as I am not trying to “debate” anything here,,,,,just trying to see if anyone knows how to do a word search….and can post the “part of speech”.

[Ed J]

Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 06 2010,03:38)

Hello JA, Obviously only Kerwin knows how to do word research. However, you and Ed apparently are 'possibly' the only other ones that know how to look up a Hebrew word in a sentence and find the part of speech and gender.  He doesn't want to publish it here because that would prove that he is trying to deceive the people and I have been after him for two months to show the part of speech for ruwach.  Martian, George and Gene don't know the difference between “spirit” and “soul” and went off on another tangent following Genesis 2:7 which is completely a different Hebrew word “nephesh”.  Terrarica got lost and went to Romans instead of Genesis.  Irene was honest and said she didn't know how to look up a word.

Hi DBF,

In another thread I said to you…

EL-Shaddia means: “the breasted one” and is translated into English as “God Almighty”.
Exodus [ [6:3] ] And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name
of God Almighty(EL-Shaddia), but by my name JEHOVAH(YHVH=63) was I not known to them.

            “EL-Shaddia”(63)  =  “YHVH”(63)

Exodus 6:3 is the first God's name is used in singular form and EL-Shaddia…
Illustrates the nurturing aspect of “Our Father”; rather than proving (to you) he is 'a chick'?
Theomatics(numbers relating to God) helps to line things up; better illustrating this point to 'you'! (Click here for more)

The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63; “YHVH is GOD”.
YHVH is God's Name (יהוה) translated into English; as the Hebrew lacks vowels.

GOD’s most sacred Holy Name [יהוה] was given to us directly from the Hebrew language.
Correctly translating Hebrew into other languages can be difficult however. Some basic
linguistical rules need to be considered when translating Hebrew texts. These include a lack
of spacing between words, as a general rule has no written vowels and the basic direction
in which Hebrew is written (opposite: from right to left). Hebrew word spacing is a modern
advent that distinguishes one word from the next, aiding both translators and multi-linguists
alike. Unwritten “implied” vowel sounds are a concern because, correct pronunciations of
Hebrew words are at risk. This point is made because the correct pronunciation was thought
to be lost, which led only to translators’ interpretations.

GOD’s Name (יהוה) transliterates directly into English as YHVH because the Hebrew alphabet
lacks vowels. Hebrew has No [W] sound, No [J] sound and the symbol ש is pronounced “Sh”.

      [יהוה] GOD’s Name   [י] Yod [ה] Ha [ו] Vav [ה] Hey     is pronounced  YÄ-hä-vā  &  [יה] YÄ

      The identity of יהוה=26 is “GOD”=26 spoken as YÄ-hä-vā: where ä sounds like
      that of the word “ah” and the other ā sounds like the vowel in the word “hay”.

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 06 2010,10:38)

Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 05 2010,07:59) ha ha dbf, even here you are trying to sneakin 'gender'…you really are something… Hello JA, Obviously only Kerwin knows how to do word research. However, you and Ed apparently are 'possibly' the only other ones that know how to look up a Hebrew word in a sentence and find the part of speech and gender.  He doesn't want to publish it here because that would prove that he is trying to deceive the people and I have been after him for two months to show the part of speech for ruwach.  Martian, George and Gene don't know the difference between “spirit” and “soul” and went off on another tangent following Genesis 2:7 which is completely a different Hebrew word “nephesh”.  Terrarica got lost and went to Romans instead of Genesis.  Irene was honest and said she didn't know how to look up a word. The direction was to look up Genesis 1:2 and find the meaning of ruwach. Therefore, for those that don't know how to look up words I'll try to give step-by-step directions on how to do word searches. #1- Type in:  blb.org and go to that site. #2- In “Search the Bible section” type:  Genesis 1:2 and left click on the white arrow. #3- To the left of Gen 1:2 “left click” on the white letter “C”. #4 Go down to the line that says “and the Spriti” and then on the number H7307 -“Left click” #5- Look at the part of speech heading and what do you read? If you have followed the directions clearly you will see “feminine noun”.  Come back here and post your findings. Irene, you don't need to be able to read Hebrew because everything is transliterated for you.  Try it and come back here to give me the results, ok? This look-up is not to “debate” WHAT spirit is i.e. wind, breath, etc only to see the part of speech and gender.

DBF

it is now obvious that you do not look for truth in the bible ,but your own truth the way you try to implanted to others by make people do as you wish,

so if you think after 50 years studying the bible in is contend,
I would not know how to search words ?

you must have a great ego that you can look at other from your high chair.

you are looking for the sexuality of God you are a heretic ,you have no understanding in the truth of God,and use deceit as your approached,

I will not respond to you ever or until…

Pierre

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