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Quote (Is 1:18 @ Oct. 07 2009,23:14) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 08 2009,14:46) When we obey Jesus, we are obeying God because the commandments that Jesus taught and obeyed came to us from God.
Yes, but strange how Yeshua calls them “my” commandments (John 14:15). Almost like He took ownership of them. Pretty audacious really, unless they really were His.Quote And so, I do not see what you are trying to prove by this. There is the LORD who is above all as Ephesians 4:6 states, and the same LORD made Jesus Lord and Christ.
Not trying to prove anything. 1 Corinthians 8:6 neither proves nor disproves trinitarianism. That was sorta my point. Why don't you ask t8 what he was trying to prove with this statement?Quote For US there is one God the Father and one lord, the Lord Jesus Christ. I believe that. I belong to that truth. You oppose it. BTW, Ephesians 4:6 states this:
“one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.”
Reads a little differently than your quote. Sure that's the right verse?
Blessings friend
Quote (942767 @ Oct. 08 2009,14:46) When we obey Jesus, we are obeying God because the commandments that Jesus taught and obeyed came to us from God. Quote Yes, but strange how Yeshua calls them “my” commandments (John 14:15). Almost like He took ownership of them. Pretty audacious really, unless they really were His. They are my commandments. Does that make me God? Audacious or not, they are my commandments, I stand in God's stead.
Hi CON,
You are not offering the commandments of Jesus but the law and this is frequently misunderstood.
Examine the context and you will see that Jesus had been asked by Jews about aspects of the Law and, being truth, he answered them.
He was the one sent to the Israelites and explained the law to them despite the fact that the kingdom of God was being preached that was to close that door to men.In so doing he was not applying the OT commandments to all men.
We, as gentiles, never been under the Law as it pertains to those to whom it was given[rom3.19]As gentiles our hope rests on the way of Jesus [and the mercy of God]
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 08 2009,01:03) Hi CON,
You are not offering the commandments of Jesus but the law and this is frequently misunderstood.
Examine the context and you will see that Jesus had been asked by Jews about aspects of the Law and, being truth, he answered them.
He was the one sent to the Israelites and explained the law to them despite the fact that the kingdom of God was being preached that was to close that door to men.In so doing he was not applying the OT commandments to all men.
We, as gentiles, never been under the Law as it pertains to those to whom it was given[rom3.19]As gentiles our hope rests on the way of Jesus [and the mercy of God]
You are under a law per se. The Seven Laws of Noah.A set of seven moral imperatives that, according to the Talmud, were given by God to Noah as a binding set of laws for all mankind. According to Judaism any non-Jew who lives according to these laws is regarded as a Righteous Gentile and is assured of a place in the world to come (Olam Haba), the Jewish concept of heaven.
Prohibition of Idolatry: You shall not have any idols before God.
Prohibition of Murder: You shall not murder. (Genesis 9:6)
Prohibition of Theft: You shall not steal.
Prohibition of Sexual Promiscuity: You shall not commit any of a series of sexual prohibitions, which include adultery, incest, bestiality and male homosexual intercourse.
Prohibition of Blasphemy: You shall not blaspheme God's name.
Dietary Law: Do not eat flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive. (Genesis 9:4)
Requirement to have just Laws: You shall set up an effective judiciary to enforce the preceding six laws fairly.According to Judaism, as expressed in the Talmud, the Noahide Laws apply to all humanity through mankind's descent from one paternal ancestor who in Hebrew tradition is called Noah (the head of the only family to survive during The Flood).
A non-Jew who keeps the Noahide Laws in all their details is said to attain the same spiritual and moral level as Israel's own Kohen Gadol (high priest).
Prohibition against idolatry
No idolatry (Genesis 2:16)
To pray only to God (Genesis 20:7)
To offer ritual sacrifices only to God (Genesis 8:20)Prohibition against blasphemy
To believe that God is one Genesis 2:16
No blasphemy Genesis 2:16
No consulting oracles Deuteronomy 18:10
No divination Deuteronomy 18:10
No astrology Deuteronomy 18:10
No interpreting omens Deuteronomy 18:10
No witchcraft Deuteronomy 18:10
No conjuration Deuteronomy 18:10
No necromancy Deuteronomy 18:10
No consulting of mediums Deuteronomy 18:10
To honor one's father and mother Genesis 9:22-23Prohibition against murder
No murder (Genesis 9:5-6)
No suicide (Genesis 9:5-6)
No Moloch worship (infant sacrifice) (Deuteronomy 18:10)Prohibition against theft
No theft (including kidnapping) (Genesis 2:16; 6:11)Prohibition against sexual immorality
No adultery (defined only as a married woman having sex with someone other than her husband) Genesis 20:3. It is worth noting that the Midrash Rabba[19] states that marriage and divorce can occur by simple mutual obligation, and that in case of unilateral decision the initiator of the divorce must pay a compensation. Furthermore, only the act of sexual intercourse validates the union, not the contract, so that in contrast with the Jewish law, there is not any adultery with a fiancée.
No incest with a sister, a mother or a father's wife Genesis 12:13
No bestiality Genesis 2:24
No castration of any male Leviticus 22:24
No male homosexual intercourse Genesis 2:24Prohibition against eating the limb of a living animal
Not to eat a limb torn from a creature while it is still living (Genesis 9:4)
Not to eat or drink blood (Genesis 9:4)
Not to eat carrion (for those recognized by a Beth Din) (Genesis 9:3)Establish courts of justice
God saw the lawlessness, so He flooded the earth. (Genesis 6:11-13)
No false oaths (Genesis 21:23)If anyone believes what Jesus the Christ says:”the Law and the Prophets were until John, since then, the Kingdom of God is preached”.(Luke 16:16) they would find that both the law and the prophets were fulfilled, completed,and finished when Jesus started his ministry. You may take your freedom and bind yourself to anyone or anything you desire. But Jesus, the truth, has made you free. You can live your life in peace and love or anger and hatred. That is your choice. Life and death are on the table, you choose, no punishment for your choice but you will reap what you sow to. Bless all, TK
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Oct. 08 2009,05:38) If anyone believes what Jesus the Christ says:”the Law and the Prophets were until John, since then, the Kingdom of God is preached”.(Luke 16:16) they would find that both the law and the prophets were fulfilled, completed,and finished when Jesus started his ministry. You may take your freedom and bind yourself to anyone or anything you desire. But Jesus, the truth, has made you free. You can live your life in peace and love or anger and hatred. That is your choice. Life and death are on the table, you choose, no punishment for your choice but you will reap what you sow to. Bless all, TK
If there is no law then there is no sin, if there is no sin then there is no cindemnation, there would be nothing to reap.Quote (Is 1:18 @ Oct. 08 2009,02:14) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 08 2009,14:46) When we obey Jesus, we are obeying God because the commandments that Jesus taught and obeyed came to us from God.
Yes, but strange how Yeshua calls them “my” commandments (John 14:15). Almost like He took ownership of them. Pretty audacious really, unless they really were His.Quote And so, I do not see what you are trying to prove by this. There is the LORD who is above all as Ephesians 4:6 states, and the same LORD made Jesus Lord and Christ.
Not trying to prove anything. 1 Corinthians 8:6 neither proves nor disproves trinitarianism. That was sorta my point. Why don't you ask t8 what he was trying to prove with this statement?Quote For US there is one God the Father and one lord, the Lord Jesus Christ. I believe that. I belong to that truth. You oppose it. BTW, Ephesians 4:6 states this:
“one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.”
Reads a little differently than your quote. Sure that's the right verse?
Blessings friend
Hi PaulVery good points!
Blessings Keith
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Oct. 08 2009,05:38) If anyone believes what Jesus the Christ says:”the Law and the Prophets were until John, since then, the Kingdom of God is preached”.(Luke 16:16) they would find that both the law and the prophets were fulfilled, completed,and finished when Jesus started his ministry. You may take your freedom and bind yourself to anyone or anything you desire. But Jesus, the truth, has made you free. You can live your life in peace and love or anger and hatred. That is your choice. Life and death are on the table, you choose, no punishment for your choice but you will reap what you sow to. Bless all, TK
You miapply in what he is saying.Quote The law and the prophets [were] until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. Luke 16:16 Seems at face value you are absolutly correct, but when taken in context with Luke 16:1-15 it says much more.
But before we see the context, lets look at there next verse (Luke 16:17):
Quote And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. Luke 16:17 Seems to contradict Luke 16:16, how can two verse side by side contradict itself?
Maybe the context of Luke 16:1-15 shed's light on it, first read the parable, think hard on it.
Did you meditate on it?
Now verse 16:
He turned from disciples to the publicans and sinners, as more likely to be wrought upon by his gospel than those covetous conceited Pharisees.
The law and the prophets were indeed until John. The Old Testament dispensation, which was confined to the Jews, continued till John Baptist appeared, and they seemed to have the monopoly of righteousness and salvation.
And they were puffed up, and this gained them esteem among men, that they were students in the law and the prophets.
But since John Baptist appeared, the kingdom of God is preached, a New Testament dispensation, which does not value men at all for their being doctors of the law, but that every man presses into the gospel kingdom, Gentiles as well as Jews, and no man thinks himself bound in good manners to let his betters go before him into it, or to stay till the rulers and the Pharisees have led him that way.
Pretty harsh is it not? Not at all, they thought themselves the law.
Now notice verse 17:
Yet still he protests against any design to invalidate the law (verse 17). It is easier for heaven and earth to pass (to pass by, to pass away, though the foundations of the earth and the pillars of heaven are so firmly established), than for one tittle of the law to fail.
The moral law is confirmed and ratified, and not one tittle of that fails.
The duties enjoined by it are duties still; the sins forbidden by it are sins still.
The precepts of it are explained and enforced by the gospel, and made to appear more spiritual.
The ceremonial law is perfected in the gospel colors, not one tittle of that fails, for it is found printed off in the gospel, where, though the force of it is as a law taken off, yet the figure of it as a type shines very brightly, witness the epistle to the Hebrews.
You see the law cannot be adulterated, for personal power, prestige, and self gain, like the Pharisees had done for so many years, now in and through the gospel we can see the true intent of the law and how it is no longer a burden.
If you notice the next parable, he slams it home, for they listened not to Moses nor the Prophets in how the law was truly to be applied, not only to them but the Gentiles also, but in their arrogance they will pay dearly.
Quote (Is 1:18 @ Oct. 08 2009,18:14) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 08 2009,14:46) When we obey Jesus, we are obeying God because the commandments that Jesus taught and obeyed came to us from God.
Yes, but strange how Yeshua calls them “my” commandments (John 14:15). Almost like He took ownership of them. Pretty audacious really, unless they really were His.Quote And so, I do not see what you are trying to prove by this. There is the LORD who is above all as Ephesians 4:6 states, and the same LORD made Jesus Lord and Christ.
Not trying to prove anything. 1 Corinthians 8:6 neither proves nor disproves trinitarianism. That was sorta my point. Why don't you ask t8 what he was trying to prove with this statement?Quote For US there is one God the Father and one lord, the Lord Jesus Christ. I believe that. I belong to that truth. You oppose it. BTW, Ephesians 4:6 states this:
“one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.”
Reads a little differently than your quote. Sure that's the right verse?
Blessings friend
Hi brother Paul:Quote Jhn 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. Also,
KJV
Quote Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all. Love in Christ.
MartyQuote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 08 2009,09:09) Hi CON,
All who have sinned without the law perish without the Law.[Rom2]All have sinned[Rom3]
Absolutly!Hi CON,
The law does not disappear because a greater covenant has come.It remains and those Jews who wish to subject themselves to it can still do so but it finds fault and does not save.[jas 2.10]
Of course the gentiles who were never under that law as it was never given to them cannot ever take the law upon themselves anyway.
But the schoolmaster remains in existence because it still teaches about God and His ways
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 09 2009,02:03) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Oct. 08 2009,05:38) If anyone believes what Jesus the Christ says:”the Law and the Prophets were until John, since then, the Kingdom of God is preached”.(Luke 16:16) they would find that both the law and the prophets were fulfilled, completed,and finished when Jesus started his ministry. You may take your freedom and bind yourself to anyone or anything you desire. But Jesus, the truth, has made you free. You can live your life in peace and love or anger and hatred. That is your choice. Life and death are on the table, you choose, no punishment for your choice but you will reap what you sow to. Bless all, TK
If there is no law then there is no sin, if there is no sin then there is no cindemnation, there would be nothing to reap.
You are correct.The only law is what you put on yourself. The only sin that could be is denying the work of Jesus. Didn't Jesus save us from sin? Didn't Jesus take away the sin of the world? Jesus fullfilled the Law which completed the law and its requirements. You are correct that where there is no law there is no sin! There is therefore now no condemnation for those in Christ. If one accepts Jesus and his cleansing power or the word of God then you have been made clean through Christ. This is the judgment. What further judgment could there be? Jesus, the word of God comes as fire and spirit. He spiritually burns away the unbelief and what is left is made perfect. If you don't see yourself made perfect in Christ then you must continue to let the words of Jesus do their work burning away the unbelief. You sow and reap in this life,on this planet. If you sow the fruit of anger, fear, resentment etc., that is what will grow as your harvest and that is what you will reap in this lifetime. If you sow the fruit of the spirit of God your harvest will be peace, love, joy, mercy, kindness, gentleness et.al.! There is absolutely no sickness or disease in Christ! Are we in Christ? Heaven on earth is our calling. Peace and love to you brother, TKQuote (Tim Kraft @ Oct. 09 2009,03:11) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 09 2009,02:03) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Oct. 08 2009,05:38) If anyone believes what Jesus the Christ says:”the Law and the Prophets were until John, since then, the Kingdom of God is preached”.(Luke 16:16) they would find that both the law and the prophets were fulfilled, completed,and finished when Jesus started his ministry. You may take your freedom and bind yourself to anyone or anything you desire. But Jesus, the truth, has made you free. You can live your life in peace and love or anger and hatred. That is your choice. Life and death are on the table, you choose, no punishment for your choice but you will reap what you sow to. Bless all, TK
If there is no law then there is no sin, if there is no sin then there is no cindemnation, there would be nothing to reap.
You are correct.The only law is what you put on yourself. The only sin that could be is denying the work of Jesus. Didn't Jesus save us from sin? Didn't Jesus take away the sin of the world? Jesus fullfilled the Law which completed the law and its requirements. You are correct that where there is no law there is no sin! There is therefore now no condemnation for those in Christ. If one accepts Jesus and his cleansing power or the word of God then you have been made clean through Christ. This is the judgment. What further judgment could there be? Jesus, the word of God comes as fire and spirit. He spiritually burns away the unbelief and what is left is made perfect. If you don't see yourself made perfect in Christ then you must continue to let the words of Jesus do their work burning away the unbelief. You sow and reap in this life,on this planet. If you sow the fruit of anger, fear, resentment etc., that is what will grow as your harvest and that is what you will reap in this lifetime. If you sow the fruit of the spirit of God your harvest will be peace, love, joy, mercy, kindness, gentleness et.al.! There is absolutely no sickness or disease in Christ! Are we in Christ? Heaven on earth is our calling. Peace and love to you brother, TKQuote You are correct.The only law is what you put on yourself. The only sin that could be is denying the work of Jesus. Didn't Jesus save us from sin? Didn't Jesus take away the sin of the world? Jesus fullfilled the Law which completed the law and its requirements. You are correct that where there is no law there is no sin! There is therefore now no condemnation for those in Christ. If one accepts Jesus and his cleansing power or the word of God then you have been made clean through Christ. This is the judgment. What further judgment could there be? Jesus, the word of God comes as fire and spirit. He spiritually burns away the unbelief and what is left is made perfect. If you don't see yourself made perfect in Christ then you must continue to let the words of Jesus do their work burning away the unbelief. You sow and reap in this life,on this planet. If you sow the fruit of anger, fear, resentment etc., that is what will grow as your harvest and that is what you will reap in this lifetime. If you sow the fruit of the spirit of God your harvest will be peace, love, joy, mercy, kindness, gentleness et.al.! There is absolutely no sickness or disease in Christ! Are we in Christ? Heaven on earth is our calling. Peace and love to you brother, TK The only law is what you put on yourself.
The law is in your heart.
The only sin that could be is denying the work of Jesus.
If you consider Murder, Coveting, Adultery etc, denying the work of Jesus, then yes.
Didn't Jesus save us from sin?
He removed the Mosaic curse (sacrificial requirements and punishments) from the law if one repents of the sin(s).
Didn't Jesus take away the sin of the world?
No that will happen at the Judgement.
Sin still abounds.
Jesus fullfilled the Law which completed the law and its requirements.
Jesus fulfilled the law perfectly and entirely as a Jew should. Jesus stated not one jot or tittle will pass from the law until all is fulfilled and the heavens and earth are no more.
The heavens and earth are still here, it will change at the judgment.
You are correct that where there is no law there is no sin! There is therefore now no condemnation for those in Christ. If one accepts Jesus and his cleansing power or the word of God then you have been made clean through Christ. This is the judgment.
Agreed.
What further judgment could there be?
Unrepentent sin, those who live in iniquity, and those who deny him.
Jesus, the word of God comes as fire and spirit. He spiritually burns away the unbelief and what is left is made perfect.
Then go and sin no more.
If you don't see yourself made perfect in Christ then you must continue to let the words of Jesus do their work burning away the unbelief.
Absolutly.
You sow and reap in this life,on this planet. If you sow the fruit of anger, fear, resentment etc., that is what will grow as your harvest and that is what you will reap in this lifetime.
And as you will in the judgment.
If you sow the fruit of the spirit of God your harvest will be peace, love, joy, mercy, kindness, gentleness et.al.! There is absolutely no sickness or disease in Christ!
Absolutly, Amein!
Are we in Christ?
Pray that we are.
Heaven on earth is our calling. Peace and love to you brother, TK
And to you, Godspeed,
RonQuote (Is 1:18 @ Oct. 06 2009,20:34) Quote (t8 @ Oct. 06 2009,16:14) For US there is one God the Father and one lord, the Lord Jesus Christ. I believe that. I belong to that truth. You oppose it.
I've got no issue with 1 Cor 8:6, as you well know. Lord knows we've been through that verse a few times! (and He does too). And if I recall correctly the debate ended pretty abruptly when I asked you if the Father was your Lord as well as your God. Of course you can't really answer that. If you answered “yes” then you concede that Paul could not have been drawing an ontological contra-distinction between Yeshua and the Father. If you answered “no” then you have denyed the Father His rightful Lordship, thereby blaspheming.
Acts 2:36
“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”NOTE: God made Jesus lord. God is the giver and the lord is the receiver.
NOTE2: Lord/kurios/ is not YHWH.We know there are landlords for example. In the UK, the House of Lords forms the upper house of Parliament made up of lords of different classifications.
However, Jesus is the Lord of all. He is above all lords who are so called. But God is greater than all lords. After all God made Jesus lord, did he not? And Jesus didn't make the Father God? It is ridiculous that I even have to point this out.
Paul says in 1 Corinthians 8:5, that there are indeed many who are called god and lord.
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”),He concludes that for US, there is one God the Father, and one Lord, Jesus Christ.
What you teach is in opposition to Paul. I am in support of Paul when he says, “One God, the Father”.
Your teaching or license to interchange different persons with lord (kurios) and god (theos) in this verse is really just rebelling against what Paul says and stressing here. Paul isn't saying that there is one God the Father, Son, Spirit and one Lord Jesus, the Father, and Spirit as you seem to be teaching or inferring. If he was teaching what you are trying to turn this into, WHY WOULD HE IDENTIFY GOD AS THE FATHER AND LORD AS JESUS? He was being specific was he not?
You need to wake up to your false teaching and opposition to Paul our brother, because we are judged for what we teach and judged strictly as it is written. It is you who will be judged for what you say and not me, so I am not telling you what to do, but am advising you for your own good. But I suspect that this is falling on deaf ears.
Your clever twisting of words doesn't change the fact that for US (Paul and believers) there is one God the Father and one lord, the Lord Jesus Christ.
Are you a part of who Paul calls US. Because on the outset, it looks like you disagree with US.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2009,18:00) Would you care to expound to us how you see your above statement in Pauls post? Or is this just more of your patronizing attitude toward those who disagree with you and your Henotheistic doctrine?
Are you angry that he was able to elequantly refute your Henotheistic views in the debates?
What gives?
BTW, you are also being disengenuos about the “Trinitarians” spilling of blood, for history shows the spilling of blood by the Arians and many Trinitarians being exciled and dying by their hands, and they ruled for sometime, but you ignore this, so you create a straw man.
WJ
No.I am disappointed that people like to stick labels on others in order to judge and further their agenda, rather than have the courage and faith to stick to scripture to prove their points. Perhaps it is an admission of desperation when a man resorts to lowly tactics?
Smear campaigns or labelling or branding others is what politicians do when they will do anything to gain power. But for believers it should be a matter of letting the truth win, and of course expose the lies in that process. After all we are servants of truth. To live this way is to serve truth and not your own ego.
Perhaps defaming or labelling is done to gain every advantage possible, because promoting non-truths is difficult. Or is it a fruit of a hard heart, or what?
e.g., Calling a man of African race the N word, is offensive because it is, and has a history of, being used in a derogatory fashion. But in technical terms it is merely a variant of the Spanish and Portuguese noun 'negro'.
I tend to think that people who slap labels on others, (especially in a derogatory fashion) do so, because they have hate in their heart or they simply want to judge others in a poor light to make themselves look good, which is a form of pride.
Hopefully others can see clearly the intentions of those who label people and/or twist words to support their own doctrines.
Hi all
In the following statement t8 tells us one thing but when it comes to himself he does another. IMO.
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 09 2009,10:13) No. I am disappointed that people like to stick labels on others in order to judge and further their agenda, rather than have the courage and faith to stick to scripture to prove their points. Perhaps it is an admission of desperation when a man resorts to lowly tactics?
Now compare his words above with his words below toward Isa 1:18s post who was discussing scripture, emphasis are mine…Quote (t8 @ Oct. 06 2009,00:14) ”I care not (except for exposing the lies) for all the politics and traditions that men “INCLUDING YOURSELF” try to impose (open or veiled threats), of resistance, persecution, defamation, excommunication, damnation, torture, burning at the stake, or whatever else is hurled at those who wish not to comply with traditions of men and doctrines of demons and men. Especially those who refused to comply with the Trinity doctrine. Many have even been killed by Trinity Henchmen in the past.
Did anyone notice how t8 includes Paul, (Isa 1:18) in the same sentence as those he says pose “threats, persecution, defamation, excommunication, damnation, torture, burning at the stake”? Listen again…“INCLUDING YOURSELF” TRY TO IMPOSE (OPEN OR VEILED THREATS)”…
Yet he wants to come across as one who just sticks to the scriptures? I will tell you what is happening here. T8 IMO is intimidated by Paul and rightfully so. If you read the debates you will see how t8 and his false teachings are exposed!
Then t8 says…
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 06 2009,00:14 ) “Given that history, I am not surprised that “YOU ARE ENRAGED” at us and come here in “THE SPIRIT OF PERSECUTION”. Can you not see that you are being used as a pawn in a much bigger game than the one you are playing? You are being used because you are open to being used.
I have never seen where Paul has ever been enraged or persecuted any one ever on this sight and I have been here a while. I challenge you t8 to prove your accusation toward Paul by showing us where he has ever been enraged here!Are you enraged t8? Are you upset that Paul has exposed your false teachings? Are you mad that your tradition that follows back to the “Arians” that killed many Trinitarians and ruled for a long time has been exposed therefore leaving you with a straw man argument?
What Spirit are you of t8 to write such against Paul? Is it that you do not want him here because he challenges your false teachings?
Will you retract this statement t8?
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 06 2009,00:14 ) “I care not (except for exposing the lies) for all the politics and traditions that men “INCLUDING YOURSELF” try to impose (open or veiled threats), of resistance, persecution, defamation, excommunication, damnation, torture, burning at the stake, or whatever else is hurled at those who wish not to comply with traditions of men and doctrines of demons and men
I also might add in t8s own words…Quote (t8 @ Oct. 09 2009,10:13) Perhaps it is an admission of desperation when a man resorts to lowly tactics? WJ
Hi WJ,
The lies of traditional catholicism are a trap for all.
This is a bible study site and there is no trinity in scripture yet some come to insist that we accept such lies.
The work given by God for his sons includes pulling down speculations and everything that raises itself against His truth so trinity speculative lies are fair game.Hi WJ,
Let's be honest it is frustrating flogging the dead horse of trinity without any support from sacred scripture.But this is a scriptural study site yet you take up cudgels and accuse the owner of the site based on you assumptions of what he meant?
Perhaps it is best to go back to scripture study and get some of the basics sorted?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 09 2009,14:05)
Hi WJ,
Let's be honest it is frustrating flogging the dead horse of trinity without any support from sacred scripture.
The truth does have a way of frustrating its opponents!Jesus said that he was the “Stone” (Rock) that the builders rejected and stumbled over!
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 09 2009,14:05)
But this is a scriptural study site yet you take up cudgels and accuse the owner of the site based on you assumptions of what he meant?
Perhaps it is best to go back to scripture study and get some of the basics sorted?
But we are discussing scriptures which do not agree with your “Arian” fathers theology!WJ
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