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TO THE JWS.
Are all the christians, since day one lost; because they are not JW?
Since the JWS only started in the 18 hundreds(?)
Who were the elders in the distent past?
Who was preaching door to door then?
Where were the kingdom halls then?
Since they are all church going christians; and no watch tower believers.
What about them?? Are they all children of hell?
Can anyone of you make a comment.
wakeup.
I am not a JW, Wakeup. Yet I follow the scriptures incredibly close to the way they do – with the exception of a couple interpretations.
Don't you suppose there were others like me, t8, and Pierre before the JWs organized? Here is your “official” answer:
Do the Witnesses believe that their religion is the only right one?
Anyone who is serious about his religion should think that it is the right one.Do they believe that they are the only ones who will be saved?
No. Millions that have lived in centuries past and who were not Jehovah's Witnesses will come back in a resurrection and have an opportunity for life.From here..
I suggest you read into what they believe first. Then, if you have a disagreement with a particular interpretation of scripture they have, bring it to light for a discussion – so we can all see what the Bible says about it.
But this back-stabbing accusational approach you take is petty and without merit, IMO.
MikeB.
What back stabbing? Why do you say back stabbing?
Is this one of your tactics to make me look bad for asking questions you dont like?Just answer the questions and show some scriptures to defend your self.
You dont have to answer if you dont feel like it.
My question is; where were the jws 300yrs ago?
if only jws will be in the kingdom; what about the rest of Gods children,from the distend past and present and future?There were definitely no jws in the early 1700s.Therefore no jws elders.The so called mediators between God and man.
You say you follow SOME OF THEIR TEACHINGS?
SO YOU ARE CONFUSED SPIRITUALLY. I can tell by your posts,You are going round in circles,not getting anywhere.You can see them by their fruits.
wakeup.
Did you not see the answer in green that I posted straight from the JW website?
Any questions you have about the JWs can be answered on that website. Then, AFTER READING THEIR OFFICIAL ANSWERS, if you disagree with one of those answers, or think they've got something scripturally wrong, bring that ONE THING up in this thread so we can see if it is they who are wrong, or YOU.
Cant' you see what you're doing, Wakeup? You are ACCUSING the JWs of teaching that they are the only ones to inherit God's Kingdom, when right there before your own eyes are their own words saying, “NO, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT!”.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2012,00:29) Do they believe that they are the only ones who will be saved?
No. Millions that have lived in centuries past and who were not Jehovah's Witnesses will come back in a resurrection and have an opportunity for life.
Hi Mike,The word “No” is misleading, as it only deals with the past.
I have brought this to your attention before, but you seem to ignore it.I asked: “Is it not true that your organization teaches that non-members are non-Christians?”
David did not deny this is their teaching through 13 pages of questioning. (here is the link) <– Pages 65-78God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2012,02:09) Did you not see the answer in green that I posted straight from the JW website? Any questions you have about the JWs can be answered on that website. Then, AFTER READING THEIR OFFICIAL ANSWERS, if you disagree with one of those answers, or think they've got something scripturally wrong, bring that ONE THING up in this thread so we can see if it is they who are wrong, or YOU.
Cant' you see what you're doing, Wakeup? You are ACCUSING the JWs of teaching that they are the only ones to inherit God's Kingdom, when right there before your own eyes are their own words saying, “NO, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT!”.
MikeB.They can say what they like,the fact is that we are all in babylon in their eyes,only the jws are in the kingdom reign by christ from heaven.We are not in that kingdom.
They also believe that christ has already come invisibly in 1914: They say.
We can not see christ,because he is spirit,just as satan is ruling this babylon;we can not see satan,because he is spirit.They dont vote,dont salute the flag, and what ever.
Does that not tell you that they feel they are a seperate people?They are in the kingdom; we are in babylon.They say.
They call their meeting place KINGDOM HALL; not church.How many false pedictions have the elders so called made?
The so called special elect(144000)They are prepared to lie, if cornered,they dont hesitate.
They can change doctrine also,depending on the wind: we are learning they say.The special elect elders are still learning?? Does this happen to the apostles also?Just one false prediction is enough to call them false prophets,that send themselves,for God did not send them.
Jer.14:14. Then the Lord said unto me,The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I send them not,neither have I commanded them,neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false visions, and divination,and a thing of nought,and the deceit of their heart.
Wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2012,02:45) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2012,00:29) Do they believe that they are the only ones who will be saved?
No. Millions that have lived in centuries past and who were not Jehovah's Witnesses will come back in a resurrection and have an opportunity for life.
Hi Mike,The word “No” is misleading, as it only deals with the past.
I have brought this to your attention before, but you seem to ignore it.I asked: “Is it not true that your organization teaches that non-members are non-Christians?”
David did not deny this is their teaching through 13 pages of questioning. (here is the link) <– Pages 65-78God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.Just as I say, they dont hesitate duck and waif and lie. They are very slippery when cornered.
How many false predictions have the so called special elect made? yet they closed their eyes to that.
We are not perfect they say,we are still learning.
The special elect making so many false predictions?Did the apostles make mistakes?
Thank you edj.
wakeup.
Mike
Quote Do the Witnesses believe that their religion is the only right one?
Anyone who is serious about his religion should think that it is the right one.Do they believe that they are the only ones who will be saved?
No. Millions that have lived in centuries past and who were not Jehovah's Witnesses will come back in a resurrection and have an opportunity for life.in your two statement you are contradicting your selves ,If you believe that your religion is the true one then no one apart of that religion can be saved,
and this would place your religion as the door to enter the kingdom ;
I do recognize their zeal for their religion ,and organization ,but it is a men made religion ,so their king is the Watchtower and T.S,
and as a organization the Leaders have to protect the interest of the organization over and against all others,History of their Org.will tell you that.($ Business)
the JW will not discuss anything that will not line up with their (Watchtower)believe teaches ,so if you show them that what scriptures are saying they will not meet you and list you as a person not to go to
Pierre
Ed,
Here is the rest of their answer:
No. Millions that have lived in centuries past and who were not Jehovah's Witnesses will come back in a resurrection and have an opportunity for life. Many now living may yet take a stand for truth and righteousness before the “great tribulation,” and they will gain salvation. Moreover, Jesus said that we should not be judging one another. We look at the outward appearance; God looks at the heart. He sees accurately and judges mercifully. He has committed judgment into Jesus' hands, not ours.—Matthew 7:1-5; 24:21; 25:31.
They don't judge, Ed. There is no JW teaching whatsoever that says only JWs will have everlasting life.
If you say they do, then PRODUCE OFFICIAL WATCHTOWER PROOF OF THIS BELIEF.
If you cannot, then hush.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2012,03:31) Ed, Here is the rest of their answer:
No. Millions that have lived in centuries past and who were not Jehovah's Witnesses will come back in a resurrection and have an opportunity for life. Many now living may yet take a stand for truth and righteousness before the “great tribulation,” and they will gain salvation. Moreover, Jesus said that we should not be judging one another. We look at the outward appearance; God looks at the heart. He sees accurately and judges mercifully. He has committed judgment into Jesus' hands, not ours.—Matthew 7:1-5; 24:21; 25:31.
They don't judge, Ed. There is no JW teaching whatsoever that says only JWs will have everlasting life.
If you say they do, then PRODUCE OFFICIAL WATCHTOWER PROOF OF THIS BELIEF.
If you cannot, then hush.
Hi Mike,Does that not mean: ONLY those who 'WILL BE' JW's in the future? …stay focused Mike
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ Feb. 11 2012,10:01) Quote They can say what they like,the fact is that we are all in babylon in their eyes
Prove that or hush.Quote only the jws are in the kingdom reign by christ from heaven.
Prove that or hush.Quote We are not in that kingdom.
Prove that or hush.Quote They also believe that christ has already come invisibly in 1914:
Prove that or hush.Quote They dont vote,dont salute the flag,
Nor do I. Is there some Biblical requirement that we do those things?Quote How many false pedictions have the elders so called made?
What some of them have done is the same thing many of you here do – try to figure out through the prophesies in Daniel and Revelation who is who, and when certain things will happen.Didn't you also contribute on some of those threads, Wakeup?
I don't, because I think that is not for our understanding at this time. But I know that Pierre, for one, thinks he has it all figured out. Shall we slam Pierre for trying to understand scripture too? Or just the JWs?
Wakeup, why can't you PROVE the things you claim about the JWs?
Why is it that all you have is hearsay, prejudice, and hate? And why is it that you take it upon yourself to judge another master's servant, when we are told not to do that? Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 11 2012,10:36) Does that not mean: ONLY those who 'WILL BE' JW's in the future?
Does it say those words, Ed? Stay focused.Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 11 2012,10:18) Just as I say, they dont hesitate duck and waif and lie. They are very slippery when cornered.
As far as I've seen, you haven't “cornered” them on anything yet.Wakeup, if you have questions about what the JWs believe and teach, why not just ask a question? Why so much hate and accusation?
After all, the title of this thread is “Some simple QUESTIONS”. All I've seen are petty, simple-minded accusations. When will you ask your next question? I've answered the first one.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2012,03:31) Ed, Here is the rest of their answer:
No. Millions that have lived in centuries past and who were not Jehovah's Witnesses will come back in a resurrection and have an opportunity for life. Many now living may yet take a stand for truth and righteousness before the “great tribulation,” and they will gain salvation. Moreover, Jesus said that we should not be judging one another. We look at the outward appearance; God looks at the heart. He sees accurately and judges mercifully. He has committed judgment into Jesus' hands, not ours.—Matthew 7:1-5; 24:21; 25:31.
They don't judge, Ed. There is no JW teaching whatsoever that says only JWs will have everlasting life.
If you say they do, then PRODUCE OFFICIAL WATCHTOWER PROOF OF THIS BELIEF.
If you cannot, then hush.
Mikeb.THEY DONT JUDGE??
THE THINGS THEY SAY ABOUT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
THEY DONT JUDGE?YOU ARE MY WITNESSES SAID THE LORD;( AND THATS THEM.)
This is their favorite scripture.A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN IS NOT A WITNESS OF JEHOVAH.
A PANTECOST IS NOT A WITNESS OF JEHOVAH.
AND THE REST.Can you answer me this Mike.
how can the very elect elders make five wrong importend predictions?
does the apostles make mistakes too?
wakeup.
Are you not a witness to God also, Wakeup? And what they do is show where many false religions are teaching unscriptural things, such as the Trinity Doctrine. Don't you also try to do the same, Wakeup?
Quote Can you answer me this Mike. how can the very elect elders make five wrong importend predictions?
Yes Wakeup. Men, including you and me, make mistakes sometimes. If we are smart, we will learn from those mistakes and not do it anymore.They still have their own understanding of Daniel and Revelation (as do most people), but they have learned not to make predictions anymore.
Now, do you have a question as to what they teach as an organization? Can you point us to something they teach that is against the scriptures? If not, then hush.
Mike
if you have questions about what the JWs believe and teach, why not just ask a question?
why did the WJ teach that 1914 was the end and the return of Christ ?
why did the WJ teach that 1975 was the end and possibly the beginning of the 1000 year ,
why did they built BETH SARIM in the book called THE TRUTH 1930 swhat is the difference in what Jesus says in;Mt 16:11 How is it you don’t understand that I was not talking to you about bread? But be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”
Mt 16:12 Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.(organized religion)How is it that God and Christ uses an men made organization on earth today when he said in;Jn 4:21 Jesus declared, “Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.
Jn 4:22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.
Jn 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
Jn 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”but I agree with you this is not our affair what they do in their organization they are not the only organization they are hundreds of them.
this is God worksPierre
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2012,11:08) why did the WJ teach that 1914 was the end and the return of Christ ?
The belief is that Jesus began to rule in heaven in 1914 – not that he returned to earth.Now, would you like to discuss where they are wrong about this belief? What do you say? And how is YOUR understanding more accurate than the JW's understanding.
Hi ,
Why does anyone take any human religion seriously when they do not teach that you must be born again of water and the Spirit?
Unless you teach entry to the kingdom what is the point of the rest?
SEEK YE FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD…Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2012,11:17) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2012,11:08) why did the WJ teach that 1914 was the end and the return of Christ ?
The belief is that Jesus began to rule in heaven in 1914 – not that he returned to earth.Now, would you like to discuss where they are wrong about this belief? What do you say? And how is YOUR understanding more accurate than the JW's understanding.
Mikedid Christ start to rule in heaven in 1914 Mike ??
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2012,04:17) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2012,11:08) why did the WJ teach that 1914 was the end and the return of Christ ?
The belief is that Jesus began to rule in heaven in 1914 – not that he returned to earth.Now, would you like to discuss where they are wrong about this belief? What do you say? And how is YOUR understanding more accurate than the JW's understanding.
Mike, I'm just curious about your beliefs. Do you think that the 1914 belief is true?I've been away for a while. I can't remember. Did you study with them for a while?
If you do believe that 1914 is true, may I ask why?
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