Titus 2:13, 14 Proof that Jesus is The Saviour&#33;

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Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2011,04:58)

I know Keith…flip flop, flip flop whichever 'seems' to supports the argument of the day.

No, we are desperately trying to see somethings, and He is pointing you to one of my last Scriptures to you which you havwe ignored….Irene

August 15, 2011 at 9:36 pm#256062

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Irene,
Isaiah 40:25
“To whom will you compare me? Or who is my equal?” says the Holy One.
No one is equal to the compound unity called Jehovah.

Kathi

August 15, 2011 at 10:52 pm#256072

terraricca

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Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2011,15:36)

Irene,
Isaiah 40:25
“To whom will you compare me? Or who is my equal?” says the Holy One.
No one is equal to the compound unity called Jehovah.

Kathi

sleek :laugh:

August 16, 2011 at 2:17 am#256098

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Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2011,08:36)

Irene,
Isaiah 40:25
“To whom will you compare me? Or who is my equal?” says the Holy One.
No one is equal to the compound unity called Jehovah.

Kathi

No Kathi! NO ONE IS EQUAL WITH JEHOVAH GOD…. HE ALONE HAS THE NAME JEHOVAH….

Psa 83:18 That [men] may know that thou, whose name alone [is] JEHOVAH, [art] the most high over all the earth.

He is ALONE Jehovah over all the earth including Jesus….

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.

By Jesus own words He said this

Jhn 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: FIR THE FATHER IS GREATER THEN I….

Kathi, you like to take things out of contact…. You really have to stop doing so…..
Irene

August 16, 2011 at 2:49 am#256102

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Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 13 2011,23:11)

Keith,
Mike seems to like to ignore that there are different kinds of spirit beings…there is the God kind and there is the angelic kind. If we clarify the spirit beings as the God spirit being kind and the angelic spirit being kind then he would have a more difficult time pushing his ideas, imo.

Kathi

I agree!

Mikes theology is wacked and changes all the time. Just like when he used to argue that the word firstborn always had the default meaning “literrally born” unless the context dictated differently. So his argument was in context Jesus was “litterally born” from the Father and had a beginning as such.

Now however he is making the argument that “First born” or “begotten” does not mean lterrally born after its own kind as a a human being born as a human except now Jesus is a creature because he is the first born “OF” all creation instead of firstborn “over” creation.

So in other words Jesus is of the “creation kind” but when it comes to being the “Only Begotten Son” it doesn't mean he is of the Godkind. His bias and use of particular scriptures is obvious and are not consistent with context or the truth.

Confusing indeed.

Hi Keith,

That borders on a direct and known lie. What are you doing here lately? First you purposely edit Pierre's words to make it sound like he said something he didn't. And now this?

That's not like you Keith.

Jesus WAS literally begotten by his God. Therefore Jesus shares a SPIRIT nature with his God. “God” is a single BEING, and not a species. Therefore there is no “Godkind”. Now, there is nothing “flip-flop” about this, for I have been saying the same thing for two years here.

But let's talk about YOU Keith. First, you adamantly deny that Jesus was literally begotten by his God, thereby having a beginning. Yet you now want to use this same literal begetting that you so adamantly deny to show that Jesus has the nature of the God who begot him, and therefore IS that God.

Talk about a “flip-flop”!

Clean up your act, young man. We have come to expect better than “Jack antics” from you around here.

peace,
mike

August 16, 2011 at 2:50 am#256104

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Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 15 2011,15:36)

Irene,
Isaiah 40:25
“To whom will you compare me? Or who is my equal?” says the Holy One.
No one is equal to the compound unity called Jehovah.

Kathi

Kathi,

The question was: Which one of your two Gods said those words?

August 16, 2011 at 3:02 am#256107

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 15 2011,21:50)

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 15 2011,15:36)

Irene,
Isaiah 40:25
“To whom will you compare me? Or who is my equal?” says the Holy One.
No one is equal to the compound unity called Jehovah.

Kathi

Kathi,

The question was: Which one of your two Gods said those words?

The Son is the spokesperson for both of them. He is the 'Word of God' and represents the unity of Him and His Father.

Kathi

August 16, 2011 at 3:04 am#256108

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Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 15 2011,21:17)

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2011,08:36)

Irene,
Isaiah 40:25
“To whom will you compare me? Or who is my equal?” says the Holy One.
No one is equal to the compound unity called Jehovah.

Kathi

No Kathi! NO ONE IS EQUAL WITH JEHOVAH GOD…. HE ALONE HAS THE NAME JEHOVAH….

Psa 83:18 That [men] may know that thou, whose name alone [is] JEHOVAH, [art] the most high over all the earth.

He is ALONE Jehovah over all the earth including Jesus….

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.

By Jesus own words He said this

Jhn 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: FIR THE FATHER IS GREATER THEN I….

Kathi, you like to take things out of contact…. You really have to stop doing so…..
Irene

Irene,
Just because they are not glued at the hip, so to speak, doesn't mean that they aren't a unity. Many missionaries leave the presence of their home church but do not leave the unity, and then return.

August 16, 2011 at 3:12 am#256111

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Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2011,14:04)

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Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2011,08:36)

Irene,
Isaiah 40:25
“To whom will you compare me? Or who is my equal?” says the Holy One.
No one is equal to the compound unity called Jehovah.

Kathi

No Kathi! NO ONE IS EQUAL WITH JEHOVAH GOD…. HE ALONE HAS THE NAME JEHOVAH….

Psa 83:18 That [men] may know that thou, whose name alone [is] JEHOVAH, [art] the most high over all the earth.

He is ALONE Jehovah over all the earth including Jesus….

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.

By Jesus own words He said this

Jhn 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: FIR THE FATHER IS GREATER THEN I….

Kathi, you like to take things out of contact…. You really have to stop doing so…..
Irene

Kathi! All I can do is shake my head…Irene

August 16, 2011 at 4:41 am#256126

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Irene,
Within a unity there can be one that is head over another, so what.? Eph 4 speaks of there being one Lord too but you seem to gloss over that. Psa 83:18 can be speaking about a unity and not necessarily about one person.

Keep shaking your head that might actually help

August 16, 2011 at 4:56 am#256127

terraricca

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Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2011,22:41)

Keep shaking your head that might actually help

Irene

you wasting your time kathi will phase off any scripture that says that God is one and the only God and creator ,

so do not shake your head that s the way she sees it and that is what she want to see,

there are better thing to do than arguing with someone like her.

it is up to her to see and remember the scriptures are second the first fathers who ever they may be are first providing they teach what she believes,

Pierre

August 16, 2011 at 11:30 am#256140

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Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2011,15:41)

Keep shaking your head that might actually help

Kathi! No the reason I was shaking my head is becasue I believe you lost it…Good bye….Irene

August 16, 2011 at 11:33 am#256141

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Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 16 2011,15:56)

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2011,22:41)

Keep shaking your head that might actually help

Irene

you wasting your time kathi will phase off any scripture that says that God is one and the only God and creator ,

so do not shake your head that s the way she sees it and that is what she want to see,

there are better thing to do than arguing with someone like her.

it is up to her to see and remember the scriptures are second the first fathers who ever they may be are first providing they teach what she believes,

Pierre

Pierre! The reason why I shake my head is I think she lost hers…… So I am going to take Georg's advice and I said bye….Irene

August 16, 2011 at 3:19 pm#256155

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Irene,
You believe many wrong things and I leave you to your choosing. God knows and we can only pray for His mercy.

Good bye to you too,
Kathi

August 21, 2011 at 3:27 pm#256536

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Keith,

You seem to be claiming that Jesus has the “God nature” because he is the only begotten Son of God, and like begets like.

Are you acknowledging that Jesus was literally brought forth FROM his God, and therefore had a beginning?

mike

August 21, 2011 at 4:34 pm#256549

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You believe many wrong things and I leave you to your choosing. God knows and we can only pray for His mercy.

Kathi! What do I believe that is wrong? Yes, I believe according to Scriptures that Jehovah is Jesus Fathers name ALONE…. Is that what you mean???
Irene

August 22, 2011 at 3:06 am#256599

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Irene,
I will answer you here:
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….957;r=1

Peace,
Kathi

August 24, 2011 at 12:30 am#256795