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WJ,
Please open your heart to His Word, and let the Spirit of Truth show you His light. You need to see this.Love Laurel
November 25, 2007 at 7:00 am#72868Worshipping JesusParticipantQuote (Laurel @ Nov. 25 2007,17:52) The virsion I use, agrees with it'self that Mariam went to the tomb early while it was still dark.
Mk 16:9 KJV
Now when Jesus was risen early the first [day] of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.NKJV
Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons.NLT
It was early on Sunday morning when Jesus rose from the dead, and the first person who saw him was Mary Magdalene, the woman from whom he had cast out seven demons.NIV
When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons.ESV
Now when he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons.NASB
Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.RSV
Now when he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons.Darby
Now when he had risen very early, the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary of Magdala, out of whom he had cast seven demons.Web
Now when Jesus was risen early, the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven demons.HNV
Now when he had risen early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Miryam from Magdala, from whom he had cast out seven demons.November 25, 2007 at 7:00 am#72869LaurelParticipantChrist’s Sign Fulfilled
Who will you believe? Will it be theologians, scholars, higher critics and
other traditionalists, who love to profess Jesus, but reject the sign that He
gave? Or will you believe the words of your Bible—that Jesus Christ rose
from the dead exactly as He said He would?
It is now time to read a different Gospel account of the two angels’ statement
to the women at the tomb. This time notice Matthew 28:6. It states, “He
is not here: for He is risen, as He said.” This would be impossible if Christ
had been in the grave one second more or one second less than 72 hours. The
One who said, “Are there not twelve hours in a day?” was well aware of
exactly how long His sign required that He remain in the “belly of the
earth”—the grave.
Not only did Christ state that He would fulfill His sign but it was also
established by the mouth of two witnesses (Deut. 17:6; 19:15), who happened
to be mighty angels of God.
Paul adds a final, great, corroborating proof that Christ did spend three
entire days and three entire nights—from late Wednesday afternoon until late
Saturday afternoon—in the tomb. In I Corinthians 15:3-4, Paul validates the
words of Christ and the two angels who witnessed His fulfillment. Notice:
“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that
Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that He was buried,
and that He rose again THE THIRD DAY according to the scriptures.”
Further, the prophet Daniel gave a prophecy he described as “seventy
weeks” (Dan. 9:24-27). In this prophecy, the Messiah was foretold to be cut
off “in the midst of the week.” Wednesday is literally the fourth, or middle
day, of a seven-day week. So then, it was in the “midst of the week” that
Christ was “cut off.” (It should be noted that this prophecy in Daniel was a
foretelling of Christ also being “cut off” in the midst of His ministry—after 3
1/2 years [Fall A.D. 27 to Spring A.D. 31]—if the biblical application of “a
day for a year” is properly applied to the seventieth week of that prophecy.)November 25, 2007 at 7:02 am#72870Worshipping JesusParticipantQuote (Laurel @ Nov. 25 2007,17:55) Your context contrdicts Passover and the commandments of YHWH.
LauralNo. You are closing your eyes to the scriptures that clearly shows Yeshua rose early on the first day.
November 25, 2007 at 7:04 am#72871LaurelParticipantA Final Proof
Matthew 28:1 contains an important statement that bears examination before
this subject can be laid to rest. Notice that this verse begins with the phrase “In
the end of the sabbath.” Most versions render it this way, but some use the
phrase “After the Sabbath.” The Ferrar Fenton translation correctly renders this
phrase. Fenton translates this phrase with “after the Sabbaths” (plural). Fenton
is possibly the only translator to note that the original Greek has the word
“SABBATHS” in the plural. This is important. We will see why.
Notice Mark 16:1: “Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and
Salome, had bought sweet spices.” Their purpose was to anoint the body of
Jesus. They were not able to buy their spices until after the Sabbath was
passed. Yet Luke 23:56 explains that they prepared these spices “and rested the
Sabbath day according to the commandment.” While this may appear confusing,
it need not be if these two passages are studied carefully.
Only one possible explanation emerges. It is that these women bought and
prepared their spices on Friday, after the Thursday annual high day Sabbath—
or the first feast day of Unleavened Bread—and then rested on the weekly
Sabbath, which was Saturday according to God’s plain command found in
Exodus 20:8-11.
Mark 16:1 and Luke 23:56 must refer to two separate Sabbaths of that crucifixion
week—with a day in between, Friday. Any other explanation creates a
contradiction of scripture and the Bible never contradicts itself.November 25, 2007 at 7:05 am#72872Worshipping JesusParticipantLaural
You say…
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Christ’s Sign Fulfilled
Who will you believe? Will it be theologians, scholars, higher critics and
other traditionalists, who love to profess Jesus, but reject the sign that He
gave? Or will you believe the words of your Bible—that Jesus Christ rose
from the dead exactly as He said He would?Then why do you reject Mk 16:9
You clearly have no scripture that shows he rose on the Sabbath. Pure speculation apart from Mk 16:9.
November 25, 2007 at 7:06 am#72873LaurelParticipantSunday is Not “The Lord’s Day”
There is another very important reason why theologians and many others
must conclude that the resurrection was on Sunday! Sunday is commonly
referred to as “the Lord’s Day.” While the true Lord’s Day of the Bible is actually the Day of the Lord—the DAY OF HIS WRATH (Joel 2:1-11; Rev. 1:10;
15:1, 7)—the term “the Lord’s Day” has come to be synonymous with
Sunday. But why? The reason is simple. If Sunday can be established as the
day that Christ was resurrected, it can be a means of validating and “authorizing”
the keeping of Sunday by the churches of the world, in place of God’s
true Sabbath.
You have already seen references to the Sabbath day in this booklet.
Exodus 20:8-11 shows that the keeping of the Sabbath is the Fourth
Commandment! It was always the seventh day of the week and God never
authorized Sunday—which would be keeping the first day instead. God hallowed
it at creation—long before there were any Jews or Israelites to keep it
(Gen. 2:1). The Sabbath was to be kept “forever”—“continually”—and
“throughout the generations” of Israel, God’s intended model nation (Ex.
31:12-17). Christ kept it (Luke 4:16) and said that He was Lord of it and that
it was “made for man” (Mark 2:27-28). He did not say it was “made for the
Jews only.” Paul observed it (Acts 13:42, 44; 17:2; 18:4).
The subject of keeping the Sabbath as God’s command for true Christians
is a big subject requiring its own book to explain it. Therefore, more than the
Good Friday-Easter Sunday tradition collapses if Christ was in the grave for 72
hours instead of 36. The largest single reason for the unscriptural tradition
(recall Mark 7:7) of Sunday-keeping collapses at the same time. God has
always said, “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy” (Ex. 20:8). He has
never said, “Remember Sunday to keep it holy—and just call it the Lord’s
day!” The reader is left to ponder this. (Request our free book The SABBATH
or Sunday—which? for absolute proof of which day is the Christian Sabbath.)November 25, 2007 at 7:09 am#72874Worshipping JesusParticipantSo now you just post diversions.
Fine. Close your eyes to the scriptures and then accuse me of following mans doctrine.
Have a good life Sis.
November 25, 2007 at 7:13 am#72875LaurelParticipantNow when Y'shua was risen,
Early manuscripts did not contain commas.
Read it without the comma, and put the pause in it's proper place, where it agree with the Torah!!!
or you can always continue diluding yourself with the doctrines of men.November 25, 2007 at 7:13 am#72876Worshipping JesusParticipantQuote (Laurel @ Nov. 25 2007,17:56) WJ,
Please open your heart to His Word, and let the Spirit of Truth show you His light. You need to see this.Love Laurel
LauralYes of course. Very touching from one who told me once…
“You make me sick”
November 25, 2007 at 7:14 am#72877LaurelParticipantI believe my Master over any scribe He condemned, and I will till the day He returns.
November 25, 2007 at 7:23 am#72878LaurelParticipantQuote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 25 2007,18:13) Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 25 2007,17:56) WJ,
Please open your heart to His Word, and let the Spirit of Truth show you His light. You need to see this.Love Laurel
LauralYes of course. Very touching from one who told me once…
“You make me sick”
Well have you said it. I still care that you understand His one and only sign!It is the first step in actually following Him.
You can't understand the rest without grasping this first. It is that important.
My Mom was also feeling the same way you are right now. She actually got upset with me to the point of trying to proove it wrong too.
She diligently prooved it for herself, but it took her 3 months! She was very persistant. She drew out timelines etc. Now today, she knows the truth.
You know, I just realized why my Mom has had a much softer heart. She used to be pretty mean at times. She let her mouth run without thinking about the ones she was screaming at. She was always fighting with her own Mom, who was I hear not a very nice Mom to have growing up. Today though, she has a lot more patients with her Mom and other people, like me.
I know this truth has caused her to be a more loving person, because it is about the same time, she began hearing herself, and realized that she needed to watch her mouth.
Trying to show you this Truth, has shown me something about my Mom.
Thank you Father.November 25, 2007 at 8:04 pm#72902942767ParticipantHi:
The following is Mark 16:9 YLT. Can someone help me understand?
Quote Mark 16:9 And he, having risen in the morning of the first of the sabbaths, did appear first to Mary the Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven demons; God Bless
November 25, 2007 at 8:45 pm#72905kenrchParticipantQuote (942767 @ Nov. 26 2007,07:04) Hi: The following is Mark 16:9 YLT. Can someone help me understand?
Quote Mark 16:9 And he, having risen in the morning of the first of the sabbaths, did appear first to Mary the Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven demons; God Bless
(MSG) [After rising from the dead, Jesus appeared early on Sunday morning to Mary Magdalene, whom he had delivered from seven demons.I have heard that Mark 16 was added to the gospel of Mark in the second century? Is this correct?
At any rate all other gospels state that the tomb was found empty on the First day of the week.
November 25, 2007 at 9:59 pm#72913942767ParticipantQuote (kenrch @ Nov. 26 2007,07:45) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 26 2007,07:04) Hi: The following is Mark 16:9 YLT. Can someone help me understand?
Quote Mark 16:9 And he, having risen in the morning of the first of the sabbaths, did appear first to Mary the Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven demons; God Bless
(MSG) [After rising from the dead, Jesus appeared early on Sunday morning to Mary Magdalene, whom he had delivered from seven demons.I have heard that Mark 16 was added to the gospel of Mark in the second century? Is this correct?
At any rate all other gospels state that the tomb was found empty on the First day of the week.
Hi Ken:Ok. Thanks, some scholars believe that Mark 16:9-20 was added. Verse 9 YLT doesn't make any sense at all to me.
God Bless
November 25, 2007 at 11:38 pm#72916JodiParticipantGood point Laurel about the comma.
Mark 16:9 Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.
Now after He had risen, early on the first day of the week He first appeared to Mary Magdalene,
So WJ this scripture does not seem to prove that Jesus rose early on Sunday.
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I am still confusedMatthew 26:17 On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?”
Mr 14:12 On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover lamb is sacrificed, his disciples said to him, “Where do you want us to go and make the preparations for you to eat the Passover?”
Luke 22:7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread, on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 So Jesus F176 sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover meal for us that we may eat it.”
Mr 15:42 – When evening had come, and since it was the day of Preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
Lu 23:54 – It was the day of Preparation, and the sabbath was beginning
John 19:31 Since it was the day of Preparation, the Jews did not want the bodies left on the cross during the sabbath, especially because that sabbath was a day of great solemnity.
Joh 19:42 -And so, because it was the Jewish day of Preparation, and the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.Why do people keep saying Jesus was crucified before the Holy Day Sabbath? Does not the scripture say he was betrayed then, making the day he was crucified on the Holy Day? Then scripture calls that day, the day of Preparation. Could it be that there were two Sabbaths literally back to back?
I am still not completely convinced that three days and three nights in 'the heart of the earth', represents he was in the grave three days and three nights and not that it represents a time period of him being betrayed, doomed for death, being captured, mocked, beaten, crucified, dieng and then shortly there after being resurrected.
We know that Jesus did not sin, his mind stayed loyal to God as Jesus followed God's will perfectly. This is why it was very important to God that Jesus' body did not see corruption either.
Acts 2:26 Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices; my body also will live in hope, 27 because you will not abandon me to the grave, nor will you let your Holy One see decay. 28 You have made known to me the paths of life; you will fill me with joy in your presence.' 29 “Brothers, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. 30 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne. 31 Seeing what was ahead, he spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to the grave, nor did his body see decay.
The scripture Towshab gave,
Joh 11:39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.
And then, Towshab pointed out why would three days be an issue for Jesus if Lazarus could be resurrected after four.
The issue is not whether or not a body can be restored and resurrected after any given period. Jesus was given God's powers to heal and resurrect and that is just what he did with Lazarus. With Jesus however, God did not want his body to decay like Lazarus' did. That is the issue.
Ac 2:31 Foreseeing this, David spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, saying, “He was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh experience corruption.
David is SPECIFICALLY speaking of Jesus’ resurrection, not how he lived his life. Not only was Jesus not going to be left in the grave, but God was not going to allow his body to decay.
Ga 6:8 – If you sow to your own flesh, you will reap corruption from the flesh; but if you sow to the Spirit, you will reap eternal life from the Spirit.
Once again, because Jesus remained sinless, God did not want his flesh to see corruption.
Now if people want to say all this means is that God put special life powers over Jesus’ dead body to keep it from corrupting the three days and three nights, that‘s fine. Given certain things we are told in the bible however, I am suspicious with the wide held belief that Jesus being in the ‘heart of the earth’ represents that he was dead three days and three nights, and not that he was betrayed, mocked, beaten, crucified, died and was shortly then resurrected, in a three days three nights time period.
Laurel you told me to look into the Passover, and that is just what I did and I found that the original Passover does indeed give me a little suspicion to the wide held belief that the three days three nights is from his death.
Lets look-
Exodus 12:1 The Lord said to Moses and Aaron in Egypt, 2 “This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year. 3 Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb for his family, one for each household.
5 The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats. 6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight.
We see here that the lamb was chosen and his doom was set until the 14th.
30 Pharaoh and all his officials and all the Egyptians got up during the night, and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead. 31 During the night Pharaoh summoned Moses and Aaron and said, “Up! Leave my people, you and the Israelites! Go, worship the Lord as you have requested.
The SAME night the lambs were slaughtered, the Israelites were SET FREE!
Matthew 12:38Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, “Teacher, we want to see a miraculous sign from you.” 39 He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Jesus gives one sign and that is, he would be like Jonah, who was trapped for a few days.
I don’t know about you but I am seeing a pattern here-
Lamb trapped for a few days, then the slaughter, then Israelites set free.
Jonah trapped for a few days and then freed.Matt 8:31 And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
Mr 9:31 -because he was teaching his disciples. He said to them, “The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men. They will kill him, and after three days he will rise.”
Mr 10:34 -who will mock him and spit on him, flog him and kill him. Three days later he will rise.”
Can these scriptures be interpreted that it is three days from after being betrayed, mocked, spit on and killed he will rise from the dead?
It does just so happen to be three days and three nights from Jesus' first betrayal to the time he is put in the tomb.
Matthew 26:2 “As you know, the Passover is two days away–and the Son of Man will be handed over to be crucified.”
That night is when Jesus is first betrayed-
14 Then one of the Twelve–the one called Judas Iscariot–went to the chief priests 15 and asked, “What are
you willing to give me if I hand him over to you?” So they counted out for him thirty silver coins. 16 From then on Judas watched for an opportunity to hand him over.The deal was set two evenings before they captured him. The next day they crucified him and if he were to be raised that evening it would make it three days and three nights from his betrayal.
November 26, 2007 at 12:46 am#72922seeking the truthParticipantJonah1:17…Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
Here is the problem! Christ said His time in the grave would be “as Jonah was three days and three nights in the great fish’s belly…” The word “as” sets the standard of comparison. It leaves no room to “negotiate” the meaning of the Greek. The margin of Jonah 2:2 even compares Jonah’s time in the “great fish” to “the grave.” In this verse, the Hebrew word translated “hell” is sheol. It literally means “the grave.” The comparison of Christ to Jonah—in a grave—becomes complete.
Did Christ understand the length of a “day” or the length of a “night”? He did! In John 11:9-10, He asked…
“Are there not TWELVE HOURS in a day?…But if a man walk in the night, he stumbles.”
In Genesis 1:4-13, plainly says that God “divided the light from darkness. And God called the light Day and the darkness He called Night.
And the evening [DARKNESS] and the morning [LIGHT] were theFIRST DAY…
And the EVENING [darkness] and the MORNING [light] were the SECOND DAY…
And the evening [now three periods of darkness called night—three nights] and the morning [now three periods of light called day—three days] were the THIRD DAY.”
This is the Bible’s definition of the length of time accounted for within the phrase “the third day.” It spanned 3 periods of DARKNESS and 3 periods of LIGHT. We have proven that each of these periods is twelve hours. Six times twelve hours equals 72 hours! What could be more plain?
We have now established the exact duration of Christ’s time in the tomb as a 72-hour period. He was there for three days and three nights “as Jonah was..
In Mark 7:13, Christ STRONGLY warns against “making the word of God of NONE EFFECT through YOUR tradition.” How is it that intelligent, well-educated Bible scholars seem to “know” that Jesus was crucified on Friday and resurrected on Sunday? What is it about Christ’s clear, STRAIGHT FORWARD sign that they OR YOU CANNOT ACCEPT? The answer lies in the comfort of long-held but clearly false traditions!
One of the most IMPORTANT RULES of Bible study is to gather ALL of the scriptures on a subject to get the complete picture of that subject. There are other scriptures that prove the 72-hour duration of Christ’s time in the tomb.
A late Friday afternoon entombment means a late MONDAY AFTERNOON resurrection. It is as simple as counting one, two, three! He could not be there one bit less than 72 hours. You cannot PERVERT his OWN words, to satisfy your carnal MIND.
The following fact should be clear. The exact moment and time of day when Christ was placed in the tomb had to coincide with the exact time of day of His Resurrection.
The bible is CLEAR ON THIS…
While on the stake, after “the ninth hour” (three o’clock in the afternoon), Jesus “cried out” (Matt. 27:46-50; Mark 15:34-37; Luke 23:44-46) and died. Luke 23:44 also makes a reference to “the sixth hour, and there was darkness in all the earth until the ninth hour.” The sixth hour is six hours after sunrise—or noon! This would make the ninth hour three o’clock.We should RECOGNIZE that YAWEH counts days as the period fromEVENING TO EVENING (Lev. 23:32) or sunset to sunset. Recall Genesis 1:4-13 “…the evening [night or darkness] and the morning [day or light]…”
His sign as our Messiah was that He must—I repeat He must—rise at the same time 72 hours later. Otherwise, He is an impostor and a fraud, and we have NO Savior. Unless we wish to make “the word of God ofNONE EFFECT through [YOUR] tradition,” we must now admit that a popular, great tradition has crashed in a heap of rubble.
He has never said, “Remember Sunday to keep it holy—and just call it the Lord’s day!”
November 26, 2007 at 1:46 am#72926942767ParticipantQuote (Jodi @ Nov. 26 2007,10:38) Good point Laurel about the comma. Mark 16:9 Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.
Now after He had risen, early on the first day of the week He first appeared to Mary Magdalene,
So WJ this scripture does not seem to prove that Jesus rose early on Sunday.
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I am still confusedMatthew 26:17 On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?”
Mr 14:12 On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover lamb is sacrificed, his disciples said to him, “Where do you want us to go and make the preparations for you to eat the Passover?”
Luke 22:7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread, on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 So Jesus F176 sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover meal for us that we may eat it.”
Mr 15:42 – When evening had come, and since it was the day of Preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
Lu 23:54 – It was the day of Preparation, and the sabbath was beginning
John 19:31 Since it was the day of Preparation, the Jews did not want the bodies left on the cross during the sabbath, especially because that sabbath was a day of great solemnity.
Joh 19:42 -And so, because it was the Jewish day of Preparation, and the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.Why do people keep saying Jesus was crucified before the Holy Day Sabbath? Does not the scripture say he was betrayed then, making the day he was crucified on the Holy Day? Then scripture calls that day, the day of Preparation. Could it be that there were two Sabbaths literally back to back?
I am still not completely convinced that three days and three nights in 'the heart of the earth', represents he was in the grave three days and three nights and not that it represents a time period of him being betrayed, doomed for death, being captured, mocked, beaten, crucified, dieng and then shortly there after being resurrected.
We know that Jesus did not sin, his mind stayed loyal to God as Jesus followed God's will perfectly. This is why it was very important to God that Jesus' body did not see corruption either.
Acts 2:26 Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices; my body also will live in hope, 27 because you will not abandon me to the grave, nor will you let your Holy One see decay. 28 You have made known to me the paths of life; you will fill me with joy in your presence.' 29 “Brothers, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. 30 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne. 31 Seeing what was ahead, he spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to the grave, nor did his body see decay.
The scripture Towshab gave,
Joh 11:39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.
And then, Towshab pointed out why would three days be an issue for Jesus if Lazarus could be resurrected after four.
The issue is not whether or not a body can be restored and resurrected after any given period. Jesus was given God's powers to heal and resurrect and that is just what he did with Lazarus. With Jesus however, God did not want his body to decay like Lazarus' did. That is the issue.
Ac 2:31 Foreseeing this, David spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, saying, “He was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh experience corruption.
David is SPECIFICALLY speaking of Jesus’ resurrection, not how he lived his life. Not only was Jesus not going to be left in the grave, but God was not going to allow his body to decay.
Ga 6:8 – If you sow to your own flesh, you will reap corruption from the flesh; but if you sow to the Spirit, you will reap eternal life from the Spirit.
Once again, because Jesus remained sinless, God did not want his flesh to see corruption.
Now if people want to say all this means is that God put special life powers over Jesus’ dead body to keep it from corrupting the three days and three nights, that‘s fine. Given certain things we are told in the bible however, I am suspicious with the wide held belief that Jesus being in the ‘heart of the earth’ represents that he was dead three days and three nights, and not that he was betrayed, mocked, beaten, crucified, died and was shortly then resurrected, in a three days three nights time period.
Laurel you told me to look into the Passover, and that is just what I did and I found that the original Passover does indeed give me a little suspicion to the wide held belief that the three days three nights is from his death.
Lets look-
Exodus 12:1 The Lord said to Moses and Aaron in Egypt, 2 “This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year. 3 Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb for his family, one for each household.
5 The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats. 6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight.
We see here that the lamb was chosen and his doom was set until the 14th.
30 Pharaoh and all his officials and all the Egyptians got up during the night, and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead. 31 During the night Pharaoh summoned Moses and Aaron and said, “Up! Leave my people, you and the Israelites! Go, worship the Lord as you have requested.
The SAME night the lambs were slaughtered, the Israelites were SET FREE!
Matthew 12:38Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, “Teacher, we want to see a miraculous sign from you.” 39 He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Jesus gives one sign and that is, he would be like Jonah, who was trapped for a few days.
I don’t know about you but I am seeing a pattern here-
Lamb trapped for a few days, then the slaughter, then Israelites set free.
Jonah trapped for a few days and then freed.Matt 8:31 And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
Mr 9:31 -because he was teaching his disciples. He said to them, “The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men. They will kill him, and after three days he will rise.”
Mr 10:34 -who will mock him and spit on him, flog him and kill him. Three days later he will rise.”
Can these scriptures be interpreted that it is three days from after being betrayed, mocked, spit on and killed he will rise from the dead?
It does just so happen to be three days and three nights from Jesus' first betrayal to the time he is put in the tomb.
Matthew 26:2 “As you know, the Passover is two days away–and the Son of
Man will be handed over to be crucified.”That night is when Jesus is first betrayed-
14 Then one of the Twelve–the one called Judas Iscariot–went to the chief priests 15 and asked, “What are you willing to give me if I hand him over to you?” So they counted out for him thirty silver coins. 16 From then on Judas watched for an opportunity to hand him over.
The deal was set two evenings before they captured him. The next day they crucified him and if he were to be raised that evening it would make it three days and three nights from his betrayal.
Hi Jodi:I believe that you have shown some good points here. I believe that I have spoken prematurely saying that I believed that “seeking the truth” was correct in her teaching that Jesus died on Wednesday. I said that because he is the passover lamb, but it appears that he ate the passover with his disciples and showed in this meal symbolically that he was the passover lamb when he said, “take eat this is my body…this is is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for the remission of sins” before he was actually crucified.
This is going to take more study.
God Bless
November 26, 2007 at 3:23 am#72939JodiParticipantAs it has been said several times, Jonah being in the fish three days and three nights is the comparison Jesus gave, it is the only sign. I would like to draw attention once again to the fact that the bible does NOT say he was in the GRAVE, as I keep hearing people say, it says he was in the 'heart of the earth'.
Why did Jesus make this comparison? As Jonah had plenty of time to THINK and PRAY about the WILL of God while in the fish, so too did Jesus, when he was given the knowledge of betrayal and the fact that he soon would be facing death. God told Jonah to do something and Jonah did not listen, God kept him in the fish, and Jonah learned he must follow God's will. Jesus for three days and three nights from the time of his betrayal to his death, thought about the lesson of Jonah and the will of God.
Matthew 26:36 Then Jesus went with them to a place called Gethsemane; and he said to his disciples, “Sit here while I go over there and pray.” 37 He took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be grieved and agitated. 38 Then he said to them, “I am deeply grieved, even to death; remain here, and stay awake with me.” 39 And going a little farther, he threw himself on the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from me; yet not what I want but what you want.”
If God did not want Jesus' body to decay, then why allow him to be in the grave long enough for that to happen? The three days and three nights in the heart of the earth seems to be so much more significant if indeed it represents time alive for Jesus to be tested one last time.
Hebrews 5:8 Although he was a Son, he learned obedience through what he suffered; 9 and having been made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him,
As Jonah learned obedience through his ordeal, so too did Jesus during the three days and three nights his doom was set. As God did not want His Holy One to see corruption He resurrected him shortly after being placed in the tomb Friday evening.
As WJ pointed out it does not make sense that Mary and Mary would wait until Sunday to anoint Jesus if he was indeed crucified on Wednesday.
Lu 23:56 -Then they returned, and prepared spices and ointments. On the sabbath they rested according to the commandment.
Mr 16:1 – When the sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him.
These two scriptures seem to be a little confusing. However they make sense if after Jesus’ body was put in the tomb the ladies went home to prepare the spices and ointments just before the Sabbath, they realized they needed more spices, therefore after the Sabbath they went and bought some. The next day of course One day from Sabbath they went to anoint him early in the morning.
November 26, 2007 at 5:21 am#72955GeneBalthropParticipantQuote (seeking the truth @ Nov. 24 2007,04:28) The Messiah died on a Roman cross in Jerusalem on Nisan 14 at 3:00pm, on Wednesday, April 3, in 30AD. In 3 days and 3 nights, exactly 72 hours later, on the Sabbath at 3pm, Saturday, April 6, in 30 AD, Yeshua the Messiah rose from the dead. The Lord of the Sabbath, rose from the dead on the Sabbath, Nisan 17, on Saturday, April 6, 30 AD. This is important because it proves that God never did change the 4th Commandment. It proves that the pope and others who honor Lucifer's sun god with their Sunday services should consider how their traditions have made the COMMAND of God, of no effect.
FIRST OF ALL, to fully understand this important event of the PASSOVER, we need to look back at the OT, in which God instructs Moses, with this feast of the Lord, to teach how He would PassOver in judgment, those who were protected by the blood. Messiah is OUR Passover. On the 10th of Nisan a lamb was taken into the house to be observed for perfection till the evening of the day of preparation or Passover, which was always on the 14th of Nisan. The lamb was then killed in the evening, at 3:00pm, and the blood applied to the door of the house. It was that application of the blood of the lamb, that would protect them from the judgment of death.
Exo 12:6-7 (please read it)During the feast of Unleavened bread the first day, Nisan 15 is a sabbath, (day of rest), and the Saturday during the feast of unleavened bread is a high sabbath.(Lev.23:6-7)
Thursday, the day after Yeshua was crucified was Nisan 15, the first day of unleavened bread, and a sabbath, where no servile work could be done and that was the reason for the rushed burial in Joseph of Arimathaea's tomb. The rushed burial had to be completed before evening. The first day of unlevened bread, required sabbath rest. That Thursday Sabbath, of the first day of unleavened bread, began at sundown. Therefore we again see that Yeshua Messiah was in the tomb:
Wednesday night, Thursday, Thursday night, Friday, Friday night, and Saturday.
When Mary went to the tomb as early as it was possible to do the work of applying the spices to the body of Yeshua, as soon as the Saturday Sabbath was over, before it was daylight on the first day of the week, she found the tomb empty and Yeshua already risen on Saturday, the Sabbath, The Lord's Day.(MAT27:57-28:6 please read it)
Before dawn on Sunday, Yeshua had already risen. He rose on Saturday, having spent 3 days and 3 nights in the tomb. He rose on Saturday, the Sabbath, the Lord's Day.And in John's gospel also we see that it was (Passover), the day of preparation for the feast of unleavened bread, when His body was placed in the tomb. It was a Sabbath as soon as it got dark that Wednesday when Yeshua Messiah was crucified on Nisan 14. By Hebrew reckoning the 15th day of Nisan would begin at dark and therefore the rushed burial as it was getting dark Wednesday. Yeshua's body lay in the tomb of Joseph,
Wednesday Night, Thursday, Thursday Night, Friday, Friday Night, and Saturday.
It was not a dead body of Yeshua in that tomb Saturday night. Yeshua was resurrected before dark on Saturday. As soon as they could get to the tomb without violating Sabbath, while it was yet dark on the first day of the week, most likely Saturday night, they found the tomb empty. The sabbath, the seventh day, Saturday, in truth, always has, and always will be the Lord's day, no matter how the Supreme Pontiff, and all others, would rather follow the traditions of men than the truth revealed in God's word. They have been deceived and are deceivers.(Jn19:31-42 &20-1 PLEASE read it)
The resurrection of Yeshua had occurred before Mary got to the tomb, on Sabbath, Saturday, the Lord's day, that He sanctified, and COMMANDED US to Remember to keep holy. Ex. 20:8.
seekingtruth……> I see the passover that way also. good post……>genePS…. check out the bibletruths.com web site and see what you think of L Ray Smith's paper on the lake of Fire and the unforgivible sin. He brings out some very interesting points.
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