Three days and three nights

[IM4Truth]

If I were to tell you I will be out of town for three days and three nights; would you expect to see me in two?

Mat 12:39 But he answered them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
Mat 12:40 For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Was Jesus in the tomb two nights and one day? Just because the woman came on Sunday does not mean that Jesus was resurrected on Sunday.
Lev. 23 explains the time period when the days of unleavened bread began that includes the passover. From that point on we come to Saturday at 3;00 P.M. in the afternoon, not on Sunday. DO THE MATH.

Rev 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues;

Rev 14:12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

You are the reason why He came and died. Why do you doubt what he said?

Peace and Love Mrs.

[kenrch]

Just read the scripture.

Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Hum what generation are we in?

It's not enough that Jesus said it!

This is just scripture being fulfilled.

As a parent wonders why their child became so misguided.

2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

Because these things MUST happen if scripture is to be fulfilled.

His will be done!

[Worshipping Jesus]

Amazing!!!

[Jodi]

Quote (IM4Truth @ Dec. 08 2007,13:28)

942767 To say in the Hearth of the Earth is not in the earth is ridicoulous. Is your Heart not inside you? Belief what you want to you will do it anyway no matter what I or anybodu else will say. We have gone round and around with this. I belief sciptures have been given. And I am finished. Peace and Love Mrs.

IM4Truth, there is lots of things inside us, Jesus might as well have said he would be in the stomach, or the intenstine of the earth.

These would have made more sense, since HEART represents the organ that sustains our lives by keeping oxygenated blood flowing, and the stomach and intestines are the organs used for decomposting once living things.

No where else do we find the expression “heart of the earth', in the bible. We do find however many scriptures talking about being in sheol, grave, hades or hell. Why use this unique expression to represent being in the grave?

We use the expression -heart of … for many different things. It signifiys the center of something important, like the heart of the matter or the heart of the problem.

I find it very doubtful that Jesus would use the word HEART to discribe the place of his death. That to me is ridiculous.

No offense, but to say because the heart is inside you, therefore 'heart of the earth', represent IN the earth, is once again narrow minded thinking.

The link I recently gave in a previous post, has a very intriguing idea of what Jesus being in the 'heart of the earth' represents. Just for kicks you should go back and read it.

Why has no one answered my question about the Gospel of Luke, and how he failed to mention three days and three nights when GIVING us the sign of Jonah?

[IM4Truth]

Quote (Jodi @ Dec. 11 2007,04:43)

Quote (IM4Truth @ Dec. 08 2007,13:28) 942767 To say in the Hearth of the Earth is not in the earth is ridicoulous. Is your Heart not inside you? Belief what you want to you will do it anyway no matter what I or anybodu else will say. We have gone round and around with this. I belief sciptures have been given. And I am finished. Peace and Love Mrs. IM4Truth, there is lots of things inside us, Jesus might as well have said he would be in the stomach, or the intenstine of the earth. These would have made more sense, since HEART represents the organ that sustains our lives by keeping oxygenated blood flowing, and the stomach and intestines are the organs used for decomposting once living things. No where else do we find the expression “heart of the earth', in the bible. We do find however many scriptures talking about being in sheol, grave, hades or hell. Why use this unique expression to represent being in the grave? We use the expression -heart of … for many different things. It signifiys the center of something important, like the heart of the matter or the heart of the problem. I find it very doubtful that Jesus would use the word HEART to discribe the place of his death. That to me is ridiculous. No offense, but to say because the heart is inside you, therefore  'heart of the earth', represent IN the earth, is once again narrow minded thinking. The link I recently gave in a previous post, has a very intriguing idea of what Jesus being in the 'heart of the earth' represents. Just for kicks you should go back and read it. Why has no one answered my question about the Gospel of Luke, and how he failed to mention three days and three nights when GIVING us the sign of Jonah?

Jodi But Jesus did not, He said He would be in the earth 3 days and 3 nights. Thats O.K. let me be narrow minded. I have been called worse. Period. End of Story for me.
Peace and Love Mrs.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 14 2007,04:52)

Quote I suppose then Jesus was lieing when he said… Mat 12:39  But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: Mat 12:40  For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

kenrch

So the sign is Jesus being “dead” for three days and three nights?

I thought the sign is his resurrection?

Mark 9:31
For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.

Mk 10:34
And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.

Luke 9:22
Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.

Lk 18:33
And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

Lk 24 :7
Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.

Lk 24:46
And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

Now if he rose on the third day then that would be less than 72 hrs wouldnt it?

But the witnesses of his ressurection say that Sunday is the third day.

Lk 24:41
But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.

The Hebrews counted part of a day as a day.

To you the sign is his death. To me his sign is his ressurection!

[GeneBalthrop]

WJ….> your forgetting what a day is, check out Genesis and you”ll find it put this way, > the evening and the morning was the first day. The week day started with the evening (not the Morning) Jesus died wednsday afternoon and was raised Saturday afternoon at the same time he died wednsday. Three days and three nights the rest of the events your talking about took place after the resurrection. The deciples you mentioned that Jesus was walking with were walking late in the same evening saturday, because they wanted Jesus to send the night with them, they were discourage because the time period had run out and they expected Jesus to have been rasied and He was, but they didn't know it until he left them. I believe Jesus was in the grave three day which included three nights a 72 hour period.

IMO….gene

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 15 2007,03:21)

WJ….> your forgetting what a day is, check out Genesis and you”ll find it put this way, > the evening and the morning was the first day. The week day started with the evening (not the Morning) Jesus died wednsday afternoon and was raised Saturday afternoon at the same time he died wednsday. Three days and three nights the rest of the events your talking about took place after the resurrection. The deciples you mentioned that Jesus was walking with were walking late in the same evening saturday, because they wanted Jesus to send the night with them, they were discourage because the time period had run out and they expected Jesus to have been rasied and He was, but they didn't know it until he left them. I believe Jesus was in the grave three day which included three nights a 72 hour period. IMO….gene

GB

You say…

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The deciples you mentioned that Jesus was walking with were walking late in the same evening saturday,…

Not so. Look again…

Lk 24:1
Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

LK 24:13
And, behold, two of them went that *same day* (the 1st day of the week) to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.
17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, **to day is the third day** (1st day of the week) since these things were done.

Lukes account clearly shows that on the same day the “first day of the week“, Sunday, when Mary Magdalene went to the tomb, is when the disciples spoke with Yeshua in which they said…

to day is the third day since these things were done.

This account proves 2 things.

1. Yeshua rose on Sunday confirming Marks account.

2. It was the “Third day” after his betrayal, crucifixion, death, and burial, the first day of the week that he arose and appeared to the disciples, which also confirms Marks account.

Mk 16:9
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Jesus also said…

Lk 13:32
And He said to them, “Go and tell that fox, 'Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I reach My goal.'
33 Nevertheless I must journey on today and tomorrow and the next day; for it cannot be that a prophet would perish outside of Jerusalem.

Jesus is telling us here what he meant by three days or third day.

Example is if he made this statement on Wednesday, it would read…

And He said to them, “Go and tell that fox, 'Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today (Wed) and tomorrow (Thur), and the third day (Fri) I reach My goal.'

So Jesus own words for 3 days is not 72 hours. He includes the current day as one day.

Using that principle, He was crucified and buried on Friday,(1st day), Saturday, (2nd day), Raised, Sunday, (3rd day).

Yeshua also would have had to rise on Sunday the first day of the week for these reasons…

A. Day of first fruits and Pentecost always fell on a Sunday:
1. New Bible dictionary, Passover:
o“The Sadducees celebrated it on the 50th day (inclusive reckoning) from the first Sunday after Passover (taking the ‘Sabbath’ of Lv. 23:15 to be the weekly Sabbath); their reckoning regulated the public observance so long as the Temple stood, and the church is therefore justified in commemorating the first Christian Pentecost on a Sunday (Whit Sunday). The Pharisees, however, interpreted the ‘Sabbath’ of Lv. 23:15 as the Festival of Unleavened Bread (cf. Lv. 23:7), and their reckoning became normative in Judaism after ad 70, so that in the Jewish calendar Pentecost now falls on various days of the week.” (New Bible dictionary, Passover)
2. Still fell on Sunday in 33 AD!
oEven if the Sabbath of Lev 23:11&15 is not the weekly Sabbath, but a reference to the first day of unleavened bread, being the Sabbath, the Wave/ sheaf/ First fruits offering AND Pentecost still fell on Sunday in 33 AD, the year Jesus was crucified!!!
oThose who say Jesus was crucified on a Thursday or Wednesday cannot absolutely guarantee that first fruits and Pentecost always fell on a Sunday because they must use a different year (ie. 30 AD) in which Nisan 14 would not fall on a Friday.

B. Passover the type of Christ’s crucifixion
1.Friday: Exodus = Passover meal = Christ crucified type of the crucifixion day Nisan 14

C. Wave/ sheaf/ first fruits the type of Christ’s resurrection
1.1 Cor 15:20 But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.
2.Sunday: First fruits = Christ raised (the Omer, or day of first fruits, a clear type of the resurrection day, but not a Sabbath day!) Lev 23:10-12
3.The Israelites were instructed to be ready to leave Egypt at daybreak on the 15th (morning of the 15th). (Ex 12:1-13) They then traveled day and night for the next few days first to Etham and then to Pi Hahiroth where they encamped by the sea. (Ex 13:20-14:2) After the Egyptians appeared, the Lord parted the Red Sea all that night (Ex 14:21) from which the Israelites emerged on the other side as the day was dawning and at which time the sea covered the Egyptians. (Ex 14:27) This event is a shadow of the fulfillment of the day of First Fruits. Therefore the people of Israel were “saved” by coming through the Red Sea on the same day of the year and same time of day that Jesus rose from the dead as the “savior” of all who will turn to him–Nisan 17, before dawn.
http://www.bible.ca/d-3-days-and-3-nights.htm#III

Yeshua is the first fruit of the New Creation. The number 8 is the number of the circumcision and means “New Beginnings”.
The eigth day is a Sunday anyway you cut it.

To harmonize all scriptures you have to take all scriptures and compare them and weave them together without contradiction.

GB. Where is the scriptures that says Yeshua was crucified on Wed and rose on the Sabbath?

There is none. All you have is a faulty Jewish calendar that the WWC uses to put together their story in opposition to Lukes account that the first day of the week is the third day and the day on which Yeshua rose.

They teach this lie to promote the keeping of the litteral 7th day Sabbath.

If you hold to that doctrine then you have contradictions.

Blessings.  

[kenrch]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 14 2007,06:08)

Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 14 2007,04:52) Quote I suppose then Jesus was lieing when he said… Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. kenrch So the sign is Jesus being “dead” for three days and three nights? I thought the sign is his resurrection? Mark 9:31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. Mk 10:34 And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again. Luke 9:22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day. Lk 18:33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. Lk 24 :7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again. Lk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: Now if he rose on the third day then that would be less than 72 hrs wouldnt it? But the witnesses of his ressurection say that Sunday is the third day. Lk 24:41 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done. The Hebrews counted part of a day as a day. To you the sign is his death. To me his sign is his ressurection!

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The Hebrews counted part of a day as a day.

Oh come on! Is three DAYS AND three Nights parts of days?!

Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

You can't just believe Jesus? It's a plain factual statement but you and others would rather search and twist scripture to make Jesus a liar. And WHY? To keep to you tradition!

Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

That's what the first day resurrection and sabbath is…man's tradition.

Do bunny rabbits lay eggs?

[TimothyVI]

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Do bunny rabbits lay eggs?

The bible says that they can chew their cud, so maybe they can also lay eggs.
Tim

[Laurel]

I Love Ken!

(My Brother)

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 16 2007,01:07)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 14 2007,06:08) Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 14 2007,04:52) Quote I suppose then Jesus was lieing when he said… Mat 12:39  But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: Mat 12:40  For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. kenrch So the sign is Jesus being “dead” for three days and three nights? I thought the sign is his resurrection? Mark 9:31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. Mk 10:34 And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again. Luke 9:22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day. Lk 18:33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. Lk 24 :7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again. Lk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: Now if he rose on the third day then that would be less than 72 hrs wouldnt it? But the witnesses of his ressurection say that Sunday is the third day. Lk 24:41 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done. The Hebrews counted part of a day as a day. To you the sign is his death. To me his sign is his ressurection! Quote The Hebrews counted part of a day as a day. Oh come on! Is three DAYS AND three Nights parts of days?! Mat 12:39  But he answered and said unto them,  An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: Mat 12:40  For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. You can't just believe Jesus?  It's a plain factual statement but you and others would rather search and twist scripture to make Jesus a liar.  And WHY?  To keep to you tradition! Mar 7:7  Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. That's what the first day resurrection and sabbath is…man's tradition. Do bunny rabbits lay eggs?

kenrch

Whether its three days and 3 nights litirally (which is impossible based on all scripture) makes no difference.

The scriptures say he rose on the first day of the week!

The stone was rolled away on the first day of the week.

Firstfuits was on the first day of the week.

The first day of the week is the eighth day which is New Beginnings. The beginning of the New Creation.

And besides all of this, there were witnesses that says the first day of the week is “Sunday”…

Lk 24:1
Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

LK 24:13
And, behold, two of them went that *same day* (the 1st day of the week) to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.
17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, **to day is the third day** (1st day of the week) since these things were done.

Lukes account clearly shows that on the same day the “first day of the week“, Sunday, when Mary Magdalene went to the tomb, is when the disciples spoke with Yeshua in which they said…

to day is the third day since these things were done.

This account proves 2 things.

1. Yeshua rose on Sunday confirming Marks account.

2. It was the “Third day” after his betrayal, crucifixion, death, and burial, the first day of the week that he arose and appeared to the disciples, which also confirms Marks account.

Mk 16:9
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Where is the scripture that says he rose on the 7th day?

[GeneBalthrop]

WJ…….> what can't you understand about Jesus resurection. He died wednsday at around three in the afternoon and He was rasied around three Saturday, count them up three 24hr periods. None of this is even important anyway, unless your are trying to push sunday as a replacement of the Sabbath which it is not stated anyware in scripture,even your mother church RCC fully admits that. So why are you pushing it…………gene

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 18 2007,04:18)

WJ…….> what can't you understand about Jesus resurection. He died wednsday at around three in the afternoon and He was rasied around three Saturday, count them up three 24hr periods. None of this is even important anyway, unless your are trying to push sunday as a replacement of the Sabbath which it is not stated anyware in scripture,even your mother church RCC fully admits that. So why are you pushing it…………gene

GB

Wrong. I am not trying to push Sunday as the Sabbath.

I am showing scripture that says he rose on the 1st day of the week.

There is no scripture that says he rose on the 7th day Sabbath.

Christians do not believe Sunday is the Sabbath. Most Christians see Sunday as a day of gathering and celebration of the ressurection of Yeshua.

You are trying to force Saturday as the day of his ressurection with no scripture to support such. The Jewish calender is faulty and can not prove what day he was crucified and rose. All we have is the scriptures and as I have shown the above shows the disciples calling the first day of the week the third day.

So hold on to your WWC error if you will but you have no scriptural basis for such.

[GeneBalthrop]

WJ……> I want to change the subject for a monent, would you do me a personel favor and Go to the (bibletruths.com) web site and check out what L. Ray Smith say's about the lake of Fire and mans Free will. Please read what He say's with an open mind, you seem to have a lot of bible knowledge,would like to know what you think.

Also would like Ken, Im4truth, Laurel, t8. seekingthetruth,morningstar,and all who particapate on this sit to check it out, I find what He is saying very interesting and seems scriptutally accurate .

peace to all…….gene

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 18 2007,05:02)

WJ……> I want to change the subject for a monent, would you do me a personel favor and Go to the (bibletruths.com) web site and check out what L. Ray Smith say's about the lake of Fire and mans Free will. Please read what He say's with an open mind, you seem to have a lot of bible knowledge,would like to know what you think. Also would like Ken, Im4truth, Laurel, t8. seekingthetruth,morningstar,and all who particapate on this sit to check it out, I find what He is saying very interesting and seems scriptutally accurate . peace to all…….gene

GB

I have and read some and will continue to look at some of it.

I do agree with the “Eternal Torment” section!

God is Love, and no human being will exerience “eternal torment” for a vapor of life of sin in which they never asked to be born into anyway.

The doctrine of “eternal torment” is an evil doctrine designed and fabricated by men who sought to control and scare people into being saved so that they would obey them whether it be for money or power, all in the name of God.

Sin came into the human race by one Man, Adam. The second Adam died for the sin of the world so that all men would be saved. Jesus left the 99 to get the 1, thats 100%.

Since this is the three days and three nights thread, Yeshua went into hell and led captivity captive. He took the keys of hell and death and brought about the beginning of a new creation.

In this New Creation there will be no more sorrow, sickness, pain, death, crying etc.

Yet men believe that somewhere in the remote part of the Universe there will be a little spot reserved called “Hell” where the majority of the souls of men “Billions” will be in the most horrible excruciating pain for ever and ever.

What kind of wicked God could do that.

The Bible says the wages of sin is death. Not eternal torment!

He said “Behold, I make all things New”. All things means all things!

IMHO

[kenrch]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 18 2007,03:01)

Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 16 2007,01:07) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 14 2007,06:08) Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 14 2007,04:52) Quote I suppose then Jesus was lieing when he said… Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. kenrch So the sign is Jesus being “dead” for three days and three nights? I thought the sign is his resurrection? Mark 9:31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. Mk 10:34 And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again. Luke 9:22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day. Lk 18:33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. Lk 24 :7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again. Lk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: Now if he rose on the third day then that would be less than 72 hrs wouldnt it? But the witnesses of his ressurection say that Sunday is the third day. Lk 24:41 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done. The Hebrews counted part of a day as a day. To you the sign is his death. To me his sign is his ressurection! Quote The Hebrews counted part of a day as a day. Oh come on! Is three DAYS AND three Nights parts of days?! Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. You can't just believe Jesus? It's a plain factual statement but you and others would rather search and twist scripture to make Jesus a liar. And WHY? To keep to you tradition! Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. That's what the first day resurrection and sabbath is…man's tradition. Do bunny rabbits lay eggs? kenrch Whether its three days and 3 nights litirally (which is impossible based on all scripture) makes no difference. The scriptures say he rose on the first day of the week! The stone was rolled away on the first day of the week. Firstfuits was on the first day of the week. The first day of the week is the eighth day which is New Beginnings. The beginning of the New Creation. And besides all of this, there were witnesses that says the first day of the week is “Sunday”… Lk 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. LK 24:13 And, behold, two of them went that *same day* (the 1st day of the week) to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs. 14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened. 15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them. 16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him. 17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad? 18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days? 19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: 20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. 21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, **to day is the third day** (1st day of the week) since these things were done. Lukes account clearly shows that on the same day the “first day of the week“, Sunday, when Mary Magdalene went to the tomb, is when the disciples spoke with Yeshua in which they said… to day is the third day since these things were done. This account proves 2 things. 1. Yeshua rose on Sunday confirming Marks account. 2. It was the “Third day” after his betrayal, crucifixion, death, and burial, the first day of the week that he arose and appeared to the disciples, which also confirms Marks account. Mk 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. Where is the scripture that says he rose on the 7th day?

Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

Thursday was
the annual Sabbath of unleavened bread.

Mar 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Friday they bought the spices and ointments and rested on the Seventh day Sabbath.

Wednesday HE died.
Thursday was an annual Sabbath
Friday they bought spices and ointments BEFORE the seventh day Sabbath
Saturday they rested according to the commandment
Sunday they went to the tomb and found it Empty!

Jesus SAID three days and threee nights, NOT any one part of any day BUT three days and three nights. That my friend is 72 hours anyway you look at it except through man's tradition.

But what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God and faith in Jesus, 1 Cor.7:19; Rev. 12:17, 14:12.

You keep the first day then you don't keep the forth commandment. You are keeping with man's tradition along with the first day resurrection of bunny rabbits that lay eggs.

I believe Jesus! It's just that simple! Is Jesus a liar? NO the RCC is the liar and Harlot and they TELL YOU they changed God's commandment.

Who will you follow? Well I guess you have answered that

[IM4Truth]

Gen I read some of L Ray Smith artilce, I completley agree with what he had to say about Hell. Thank you for bringing Him to my attention. God is so great how He opens peoples mind to the truth. He alone can do that. Will read some more.

Peace and Love Mrs.

[IM4Truth]

Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 19 2007,00:25)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 18 2007,03:01) Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 16 2007,01:07) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 14 2007,06:08) Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 14 2007,04:52) Quote I suppose then Jesus was lieing when he said… Mat 12:39  But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: Mat 12:40  For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. kenrch So the sign is Jesus being “dead” for three days and three nights? I thought the sign is his resurrection? Mark 9:31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. Mk 10:34 And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again. Luke 9:22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day. Lk 18:33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. Lk 24 :7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again. Lk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: Now if he rose on the third day then that would be less than 72 hrs wouldnt it? But the witnesses of his ressurection say that Sunday is the third day. Lk 24:41 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done. The Hebrews counted part of a day as a day. To you the sign is his death. To me his sign is his ressurection! Quote The Hebrews counted part of a day as a day. Oh come on! Is three DAYS AND three Nights parts of days?! Mat 12:39  But he answered and said unto them,  An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: Mat 12:40  For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. You can't just believe Jesus?  It's a plain factual statement but you and others would rather search and twist scripture to make Jesus a liar.  And WHY?  To keep to you tradition! Mar 7:7  Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. That's what the first day resurrection and sabbath is…man's tradition. Do bunny rabbits lay eggs?   kenrch Whether its three days and 3 nights litirally (which is impossible based on all scripture) makes no difference. The scriptures say he rose on the first day of the week! The stone was rolled away on the first day of the week. Firstfuits was on the first day of the week. The first day of the week is the eighth day which is New Beginnings. The beginning of the New Creation. And besides all of this, there were witnesses that says the first day of the week is “Sunday”… Lk 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. LK 24:13 And, behold, two of them went that *same day* (the 1st day of the week) to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs. 14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened. 15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them. 16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him. 17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad? 18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days? 19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: 20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. 21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, **to day is the third day** (1st day of the week) since these things were done. Lukes account clearly shows that on the same day the “first day of the week“, Sunday, when Mary Magdalene went to the tomb, is when the disciples spoke with Yeshua in which they said… to day is the third day since these things were done. This account proves 2 things. 1. Yeshua rose on Sunday confirming Marks account. 2. It was the “Third day” after his betrayal, crucifixion, death, and burial, the first day of the week that he arose and appeared to the disciples, which also confirms Marks account. Mk 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. Where is the scripture that says he rose on the 7th day? Joh 19:31  The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. Thursday was the annual Sabbath of unleavened bread. Mar 16:1  And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment. Friday they bought the spices and ointments and rested on the Seventh day Sabbath. Wednesday HE died. Thursday was an annual Sabbath Friday they bought spices and ointments BEFORE the seventh day Sabbath Saturday they rested according to the commandment Sunday they went to the tomb and found it Empty! Jesus SAID three days and threee nights, NOT any one part of any day BUT three days and three nights.  That my friend is 72 hours anyway you look at it except through man's tradition. But what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God and faith in Jesus, 1 Cor.7:19; Rev. 12:17, 14:12. You keep the first day then you don't keep the forth commandment.  You are keeping with man's tradition along with the first day resurrection of bunny rabbits that lay eggs. I believe Jesus!  It's just that simple!  Is Jesus a liar?  NO the RCC is the liar and Harlot and they TELL YOU they changed God's commandment.   Who will you follow?  Well I guess you have answered that

Hi Ken Don't you find it amazing that no matter how many times you put down 72 hours and when he died, some still insist he rose on Sunday. The veil is over their eyes and if God does not remove that veil they will never see it.
Peac and Love Mrs.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (IM4Truth @ Dec. 19 2007,01:54)

Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 19 2007,00:25) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 18 2007,03:01) Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 16 2007,01:07) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 14 2007,06:08) Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 14 2007,04:52) Quote I suppose then Jesus was lieing when he said… Mat 12:39  But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: Mat 12:40  For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. kenrch So the sign is Jesus being “dead” for three days and three nights? I thought the sign is his resurrection? Mark 9:31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. Mk 10:34 And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again. Luke 9:22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day. Lk 18:33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. Lk 24 :7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again. Lk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: Now if he rose on the third day then that would be less than 72 hrs wouldnt it? But the witnesses of his ressurection say that Sunday is the third day. Lk 24:41 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done. The Hebrews counted part of a day as a day. To you the sign is his death. To me his sign is his ressurection! Quote The Hebrews counted part of a day as a day. Oh come on! Is three DAYS AND three Nights parts of days?! Mat 12:39  But he answered and said unto them,  An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: Mat 12:40  For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. You can't just believe Jesus?  It's a plain factual statement but you and others would rather search and twist scripture to make Jesus a liar.  And WHY?  To keep to you tradition! Mar 7:7  Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. That's what the first day resurrection and sabbath is…man's tradition. Do bunny rabbits lay eggs?   kenrch Whether its three days and 3 nights litirally (which is impossible based on all scripture) makes no difference. The scriptures say he rose on the first day of the week! The stone was rolled away on the first day of the week. Firstfuits was on the first day of the week. The first day of the week is the eighth day which is New Beginnings. The beginning of the New Creation. And besides all of this, there were witnesses that says the first day of the week is “Sunday”… Lk 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. LK 24:13 And, behold, two of them went that *same day* (the 1st day of the week) to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs. 14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened. 15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them. 16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him. 17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad? 18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days? 19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: 20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. 21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, **to day is the third day** (1st day of the week) since these things were done. Lukes account clearly shows that on the same day the “first day of the week“, Sunday, when Mary Magdalene went to the tomb, is when the disciples spoke with Yeshua in which they said… to day is the third day since these things were done. This account proves 2 things. 1. Yeshua rose on Sunday confirming Marks account. 2. It was the “Third day” after his betrayal, crucifixion, death, and burial, the first day of the week that he arose and appeared to the disciples, which also confirms Marks account. Mk 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. Where is the scripture that says he rose on the 7th day? Joh 19:31  The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. Thursday was the annual Sabbath of unleavened bread. Mar 16:1  And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment. Friday they bought the spices and ointments and rested on the Seventh day Sabbath. Wednesday HE died. Thursday was an annual Sabbath Friday they bought spices and ointments BEFORE the seventh day Sabbath Saturday they rested according to the commandment Sunday they went to the tomb and found it Empty! Jesus SAID three days and threee nights, NOT any one part of any day BUT three days and three nights.  That my friend is 72 hours anyway you look at it except through man's tradition. But what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God and faith in Jesus, 1 Cor.7:19; Rev. 12:17, 14:12. You keep the first day then you don't keep the forth commandment.  You are keeping with man's tradition along with the first day resurrection of bunny rabbits that lay eggs. I believe Jesus!  It's just that simple!  Is Jesus a liar?  NO the RCC is the liar and Harlot and they TELL YOU they changed God's commandment.   Who will you follow?  Well I guess you have answered that Hi Ken Don't you find it amazing that no matter how many times you put down 72 hours and when he died, some still insist he rose on Sunday. The veil is over their eyes and if God does not remove that veil they will never see it. Peac and Love Mrs.

Mrs

And what makes you think you are so right?

Because many here do not believe in the WWC errors, then you say our eyes are closed?

Do you put your faith in a faulty Jewish calander or the scriptures that says the third day was the first day of the week?

Any attempt to prove that Yeshua was crucified on a particular day by the Jewish calender and then determine that Yeshua rose on a ertain day by that is futile.

Besides where is the scripture that says he rose on the 7th day Sabbath?

So who has their eyes closed?

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