Three days and three nights

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kenrch

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Our Lord crucified WednesDAY

What was the date? Could you clarify? Wednesday at three O clock would have been the end of the day “Tues” by Jewish time.

So was it Wednsday or Thursday at 3:00 our time?

:laugh: :laugh: It can be confusing. He died Wednesday. Now the Jewish Wednesday is the last part of the 14th day. Thursday started at sunset.

The last Supper was the beginning of the 14th. The 14th continued through sunset Wednesday. After sunset began the first day of unleavened bread, the 15th.

You are right I shouldn't have even mentioned our time/day.

Wednesday afternoon our time. Towards the close of the day Wednesday Jewish time/day.

:laugh: What are you up to WJ?

God bless,

Ken

December 7, 2007 at 1:17 am#74152

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Sorry Mrs. You know it too. I thought I quoted Ken. Hang in there. I am done here.

Love,
Laurel

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December 7, 2007 at 1:32 am#74154

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Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 19:13 Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them.
Mat 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Joh 3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
Joh 3:10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

December 7, 2007 at 2:43 am#74160

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JW,

Feast of Firstfruits:
Lev 23:11 'He shall wave the sheaf before the LORD for you to be accepted; on the day after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.'

Without going into great detail; this was the firstfruit collection of grain sewed in the field that they found was aviv during Adar. A meal was prepared to Yahweh as described in Lev 23, a lamb, this grain, a firstfruits offering unto Yahweh.

Jn20:17 Yeshua said to her, “Do not touch Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father. But go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My Elohim and your Elohim.’ ”
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1Co 15:22 For as all die in Adam, so also all shall be made alive in Messiah
1Co 15:23 And each in his own order: Messiah, the first-fruits, then those who are of Messiah at His coming
The Messiah, our High Priest, offered himself to Yahweh, THE the resurrected from the dead
Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and MANY BODIES of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
Yeshua was given the power to raise the dead that were sewn into the field, a FIRST FRUIT offering to Yahweh.

Since Yeshua was slain on the tree on the fourteenth of Nisan, the day prior to a [high] sabbath, thus the passover at evening was the beginning of a 24 hour period. The whole high sabbath day period immediate following his death was 24 hours in the grave. one day and one night so far.
The day after the high sabbath, the Mary's bought spices to anoint Yeshua's body at the sepulcher.
Mar 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
They then prepared those spices they bought and rested according to the sabbath commandment.
Luk 23:56: And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

So we have 24 hours through the high Sabbath(THURSDAY)…we have 24 hours during the day the Mary's went and bought spices and came back and prepared them(FRIDAY)…and we have 24 hours the following day a weekly sabbath(SATURDAY) that they rested according to the commandments.
Then Mary, early on the first day of the week (the day starts at sunset, so early means after the sun went down, not necessarily after 12:00AM, which was not even a measured time back then) brought those spices and found Yeshua was NOT in the tomb. He was risen.
Joh 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulcher, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulcher.
So it was still dark, and Yeshua was NOT there.

The only way to get 72 hours to fit into the above description is as follows:

Wednesday evening before sunset, he was crucified. He was taken down right before sunset and placed in the sepulcher as the new day was beginning. 24 hours passed and it is now Thursday evening. The next morning, the Mary's now buy spices and prepare them and another 24 hours has passed and it is now Friday evening. They rest the sabbath day and another 24 hours passed, now Sabbath evening. This is 72 hours. He then was risen, right at sunset Sabbath evening, marked the graves of the firstfruits to Yahweh, and after sunrise in the morning, raised them from the dead and were seen of men, wouldn't let Mary touch Him because He had NOT YET ascended to his father (John 20:17). She then goes reports what she's seen to the disciples, and He ascended to heaven with His firstfruit offering to Yahweh. He then descended to sojourn with the disciples through Shavuot (as recorded)…in which (by speculation, but very close mathematics) the HS was given on the same day Torah was given (Shavuot).

December 7, 2007 at 7:06 am#74193

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STT

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The only way to get 72 hours to fit into the above description is as follows:

I know this rocks your faith to think that you have believed something in error for so long from the WWC.

There is several problems with your account.

1. It totally contradicts Lukes account in Luke 24. Which is the clearest scriptural evidence we have on what day he arose.
2. You can not prove that Yeshua was crucified on Wednsday by the Jewish calender. You can only use scripture. There is no way you can prove that Yeshua died on Wednesday. Or was it Tuesday at 3:00PM?
3. There is no scripture that says Yeshua rose on the Sabbath. But we do have this…
Mk 16:9
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Which lines up with Luke ch 24 beautifully.
4. Its Impossible to reconcile all of the scriptural data based on a 72 hour period. The sign of Jonah was not about *time* but about his death and ressurection.
And the fact that you say he was crucified on “Wednesday evening before sunset” (the scriptures say he was crucified at 12:00noon and died at 3:00PM), which means it would be at the end of the day tuesday which would mean now you have 3 days and a part of a day.
Lk 13:32
And He said to them, “Go and tell that fox, 'Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I reach My goal.'
33 Nevertheless I must journey on today and tomorrow and the next day; for it cannot be that a prophet would perish outside of Jerusalem.
5. Yeshua became the “First fruits” of those who rose from the dead. He is the First Fruits and not those who he raised as you say. (boy thats a stretch where is the scripture for that?) Penticost always fell on a sunday.
6. Yeshua's resurrection is the beginning of the New Creation. On the eigth day the children of Israel were circumcised, speaking of the circumcision of our hearts as we are raised into newness of life, through the new birth. The number 8 means new beginings. Water baptism itself being a type of the death, burial, and ressurection of Yeshua.
7. And there is no scripture that says Yeshua came out of the grave before the stone was rolled away. You simply have inference at best.
It seems that your account has to add a whole lot of inference to make it work. But of course it does not work because it throws out the entire account of Luke in Ch 24.

December 7, 2007 at 3:26 pm#74249

GeneBalthrop

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Seeking the truth……> I believe you are right Jesus was Killed wednsday afternoon. If Mark 16:9..> Had said, Now when Jesus was raised (instead of risen) early the first day of the week, WJ would have a point, but risen inplies a past tence. He is forcing the text to make it mean somthing it does,'t actually say.
peace to you and yours……..gene

December 7, 2007 at 4:50 pm#74251

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No you are the ones forcing the text.

100s of scholars disagree with you…

Mk 16:9 KJV
Now when [Jesus] was risen early the first [day] of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
King James Version 1611, 1769

NKJV – Mar 16:9 – Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons.
New King James Version © 1982 Thomas Nelson

NLT – Mar 16:9 – It was early on Sunday morning when Jesus rose from the dead, and the first person who saw him was Mary Magdalene, the woman from whom he had cast out seven demons.
New Living Translation © 1996 Tyndale Charitable Trust

NIV – Mar 16:9 – When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons.
New International Version © 1973, 1978, 1984 International Bible Society

ESV – Mar 16:9 –
Now when he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons.

RSV
Now when he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons.
Revised Standard Version © 1947, 1952.

ASV – Mar 16:9 – Now when he was risen early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons.
American Standard Version 1901 Info

Darby – Mar 16:9 – Now when he had risen very early, the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary of Magdala, out of whom he had cast seven demons.
J.N.Darby Translation 1890 Info

Webster – Mar 16:9 – Now when [Jesus] was risen early, the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven demons.
Noah Webster Version 1833 Info

HNV – Mar 16:9 – Now when he had risen early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Miryam from Magdala, from whom he had cast out seven demons.
Hebrew Names Version 2000 Info

If you notice it is the later manuscripts that change it from “Risen” to “Rose”.

And besides it definatly dosnt say he rose on the Sabbath.

If it did then it would conflict with Lukes account in Lk ch 24.

Why dont you give me your interpretation of that?

The disciples on the road to Emmaus clearly says that “Sunday” is the third day.

December 7, 2007 at 10:52 pm#74266

GeneBalthrop

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WJ……> Not all you 100 scholars agree with you,
Clark's commentary….> Say's..> Now when Jesus Was risen, ect,_This , to the conclusion of the gospel is wanting in the famous Codex Vaticanus, and has anciently been wanting in many others.

Scofield……Say….> the passage from verse 9 to the end is not found in the two most ancient manuscripts, the Sinaitic and Vatican, and others have it with partical ommission and varation.

WJ ….what do you do with the word (Sabbath) that is in the original greek text instead of first day of the week.

WELL SO MUCH FOR YOUR 100 SCHOLARS, WJ.

Peace to you….. WJ…….>gene

December 8, 2007 at 6:38 am#74275

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Scofield……Say….> the passage from verse 9 to the end is not found in the two most ancient manuscripts, the Sinaitic and Vatican, and others have it with partical ommission and varation.

WJ ….what do you do with the word (Sabbath) that is in the original greek text instead of first day of the week.

WELL SO MUCH FOR YOUR 100 SCHOLARS, WJ.

Peace to you….. WJ…….>gene

Yes of course that is always the weak way to support doctrine or make an argument. Just cast shadows on the text when it dosnt agree with you,
even though 100s of Hebrew and greek scholars believe it should be there. What is even worse is when ambiguity is found in 2 manuscripts out of thousands that agree.

Who knows, it could have been a “Sabbatarian” that took it out of the text.

How convenient. When it dosnt agree with your doctrine then just shout “Tampering”.

Weak.

But, even though you cast ambiguity on the text you failed to address the main point of my post.

Mk 16:9 translated as most translations have “Agrees” with Lukes account in Luke Chapter 24 where the disciples on the road to Emmaus clearly say that the third day was Sunday.

Once again I ask…

How do you explain this?

Tampering?

December 8, 2007 at 2:21 pm#74292

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Scofield……Say….> the passage from verse 9 to the end is not found in the two most ancient manuscripts, the Sinaitic and Vatican, and others have it with partical ommission and varation.

WJ ….what do you do with the word (Sabbath) that is in the original greek text instead of first day of the week.

WELL SO MUCH FOR YOUR 100 SCHOLARS, WJ.

Peace to you….. WJ…….>gene

Who knows, it could have been a “Sabbatarian” that took it out of the text.

How convenient. When it dosnt agree with your doctrine then just shout “Tampering”.

Weak.

But, even though you cast ambiguity on the text you failed to address the main point of my post.

Mk 16:9 translated as most translations have “Agrees” with Lukes account in Luke Chapter 24 where the disciples on the road to Emmaus clearly say that the third day was Sunday.

Once again I ask…

How do you explain this?

Tampering?

If I were to tell you I will be out of town for three days and three nights; would you expect to see me in two?

Mat 12:39 But he answered them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
Mat 12:40 For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

I don't believe the Pope. I believe the above scriptures. Was Jesus in the tomb two nights and one day?

Rev 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues;

Rev 14:12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

You are the reason why He came and died. Why do you doubt what he said?

Bless you WJ,

Ken

December 8, 2007 at 5:35 pm#74296

GeneBalthrop

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WJ……The tampering is easly explained, the translators were trinitarians, so naturally when they could they would tweak the text and leave out words (like Sabbath) and move commas to were it makes the text read the way they want it too. There are thousands of errors in our present text, and modern critical scholars agree with this assementment, it's not just my saying it WJ.
I ask you to do me one favor if you would, push aside your predesposed belief system and get the book..> Misquoting Jesus, and see what you think.

The finding of older and more original texts has brought many of these errors to light. Check it out WJ, and you will nsee what i am saying, and believe me you won't have as much faith in your 100's of scholars as you use to.

peace to you WJ……gene

December 8, 2007 at 7:18 pm#74303

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You are correct. Amazing how the thing they accuse others for, not leaving (RCC) is the same thing that has gripped them with fear to where they cant even accept the truth about the ressurection for fear of partaking of her deeds.

I repeat a previous post to STT.

If you hold to a litteral 72 Hours, then give me “your” explanation of these scriptures. How do they fit into your WWC doctrine that he was crucified on a wednesday.

How do you reconcile all the scriptures that indicate it could not have been litterally 72 hours.

If Jesus was meaning a litteral 72 hr period, then please explain the following…

Lk 24:1
Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

LK 24:13
And, behold, two of them went that *same day* (the 1st day of the week) to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.
17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, **to day is the third day** (1st day of the week) since these things were done.

Lukes account clearly shows that on the same day the “first day of the week“, Sunday, when Mary Magdalene went to the tomb, is when the disciples spoke with Yeshua in which they said…

to day is the third day since these things were done.

This account proves 2 things.

1. Yeshua rose on Sunday confirming Marks account.

2. It was the “Third day” after his betrayal, crucifixion, death, and burial, the first day of the week that he arose and appeared to the disciples, which also confirms Marks account.

Mk 16:9
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Jesus also said…

Lk 13:32
And He said to them, “Go and tell that fox, 'Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I reach My goal.'
33 Nevertheless I must journey on today and tomorrow and the next day; for it cannot be that a prophet would perish outside of Jerusalem.

Jesus is telling us here what he meant by three days or third day.

Example is if he made this statement on Wednesday, it would read…

And He said to them, “Go and tell that fox, 'Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today (Wed) and tomorrow (Thur), and the third day (Fri) I reach My goal.'

So Jesus own words for 3 days is not 72 hours. He includes the current day as one day.

Using that principle, He was crucified and buried on Friday,(1st day), Saturday, (2nd day), Raised, Sunday, (3rd day).

Yeshua also would have had to rise on Sunday the first day of the week for these reasons…

A. Day of first fruits and Pentecost always fell on a Sunday:
1. New Bible dictionary, Passover:
o“The Sadducees celebrated it on the 50th day (inclusive reckoning) from the first Sunday after Passover (taking the ‘Sabbath’ of Lv. 23:15 to be the weekly Sabbath); their reckoning regulated the public observance so long as the Temple stood, and the church is therefore justified in commemorating the first Christian Pentecost on a Sunday (Whit Sunday). The Pharisees, however, interpreted the ‘Sabbath’ of Lv. 23:15 as the Festival of Unleavened Bread (cf. Lv. 23:7), and their reckoning became normative in Judaism after ad 70, so that in the Jewish calendar Pentecost now falls on various days of the week.” (New Bible dictionary, Passover)
2. Still fell on Sunday in 33 AD!
oEven if the Sabbath of Lev 23:11&15 is not the weekly Sabbath, but a reference to the first day of unleavened bread, being the Sabbath, the Wave/ sheaf/ First fruits offering AND Pentecost still fell on Sunday in 33 AD, the year Jesus was crucified!!!
oThose who say Jesus was crucified on a Thursday or Wednesday cannot absolutely guarantee that first fruits and Pentecost always fell on a Sunday because they must use a different year (ie. 30 AD) in which Nisan 14 would not fall on a Friday.

B. Passover the type of Christ’s crucifixion
1.Friday: Exodus = Passover meal = Christ crucified type of the crucifixion day Nisan 14

C. Wave/ sheaf/ first fruits the type of Christ’s resurrection
1.1 Cor 15:20 But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.
2.Sunday: First fruits = Christ raised (the Omer, or day of first fruits, a clear type of the resurrection day, but not a Sabbath day!) Lev 23:10-12
3.The Israelites were instructed to be ready to leave Egypt at daybreak on the 15th (morning of the 15th). (Ex 12:1-13) They then traveled day and night for the next few days first to Etham and then to Pi Hahiroth where they encamped by the sea. (Ex 13:20-14:2) After the Egyptians appeared, the Lord parted the Red Sea all that night (Ex 14:21) from which the Israelites emerged on the other side as the day was dawning and at which time the sea covered the Egyptians. (Ex 14:27) This event is a shadow of the fulfillment of the day of First Fruits. Therefore the people of Israel were “saved” by coming through the Red Sea on the same day of the year and same time of day that Jesus rose from the dead as the “savior” of all who will turn to him–Nisan 17, before dawn.
http://www.bible.ca/d-3-days-and-3-nights.htm#III

Yeshua is the first fruit of the New Creation. The number 8 is the number of the circumcision and means “New Beginnings”.
The eigth day is a Sunday anyway you cut it.

To harmonize all scriptures you have to take all scriptures and compare them and weave them together without contradiction.

If you hold to your doctrine then you have contradictions.

Blessings.

Hi WJ:

I believe what I have stated and you are stating is what the scripture states. Anything else is an opinion which means that someone is adding to the Word of God or taking away something from it to justify what they believe.

I don't mind being corrected if I am wrong, but I can't belie
ve that Jesus rose on the Sabbath day without scriptual support.

God Bless

December 8, 2007 at 7:42 pm#74306

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I Just want to make sure I am reading people right.

Gene, Laurel, IM4Truth, and 942767

Are you saying that the Lambs are killed at twilight between the 13th and the 14th?

Given these following scriptures, wouldn't that be incorrect.

Exodus 12:6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast.

If the end of the 13th beginning of the 14th is when the lambs are killed and that is the beginning of eating unleavened bread, then wouldn't that make the DAY of the 14th the First DAY of Unleavened Bread?

The bible is clear however saying that the first DAY of Unleavened Bread is the 15th.

Lev 23:6 On the fifteenth day of that month the Lord's Feast of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast.

Num 28:17 On the fifteenth day of this month there is to be a festival; for seven days eat bread made without yeast. 18 On the first day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.

The fact that we are told the first DAY of Unleavened Bread is on the 15th CLARIFIES that the lamb is killed at the end of the 14th and not at the beginning.

Hi Jodi:

I am saying that the lambs are killed at twilight on the 14th.

God Bless

Hello 942767

The whole sunset to sunset thing I think can be a little confusing –

I still need you to clarify-

You are meaning then at the end of the 14th and not at the beginning, correct?

Yes Jodi:

That is correct. The lambs were killed at twilight on the 14th and the passover was eaten on the 15th. Jesus is our passover lamb although he was crucified on the 14th at noon and died on that day at 3PM.

But I believe that you are saying that you do not understand what has been said about the meal that Jesus ate with his disciples prior to his being crucified.

Jesus told his disciples to go and prepare the passover. I take that to mean the place where he was to eat the passover with them, and they ate that meal at the beginning of the 14th in the evening. He used this meal to show symbolically that he was the passover. The passover lambs had not been killed and so they were not eating lamb.

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Luke 22

1 Now the Feast of Unleavened Bread, called the Passover, was approaching, 2 and the chief priests and the teachers of the law were looking for some way to get rid of Jesus, for they were afraid of the people. 3 Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, one of the Twelve. 4 And Judas went to the chief priests and the officers of the temple guard and discussed with them how he might betray Jesus. 5 They were delighted and agreed to give him money. 6 He consented, and watched for an opportunity to hand Jesus over to them when no crowd was present.

7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.” 9 “Where do you want us to prepare for it?” they asked. 10 He replied, “As you enter the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him to the house that he enters, 11 and say to the owner of the house, 'The Teacher asks: Where is the guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?' 12 He will show you a large upper room, all furnished. Make preparations there.” 13 They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover. 14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. 16 For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.” 17 After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you. 18 For I tell you I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.” 19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

21 But the hand of him who is going to betray me is with mine on the table. 22 The Son of Man will go as it has been decreed, but woe to that man who betrays him.”

They were in the place that was prepared for the passover, but Jesus knew that he was the passover lamb that would be killed in their and our behalf later that same day.

God Bless

942767 You are saying that Christ died at 3:00 in the afternoon. So if you count 3 days and 3 nights that brings you to Saturday at 3:00 in the afternoon. But you do not belief in a Saturday resurrection? I do.

Preace and Love Mrs.

Hi Mrs.

Jesus said:

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MATTHEW 12:39 But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was THREE DAYS and THREE NIGHTS in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be THREE DAYS and THREE NIGHTS in the heart of the earth. (NKJV)

He said three days and three nights in the HEART OF THE EARTH. He did not say in the grave three days and nights.

That would be Thursday night, Friday day, Friday night, Saturday Day, Saturday night, Sunday day(a portion of a day counted as a day here and also in the scripture that says the third day since he was crucified. Also, Friday, relative to the scripture that states the third day since he was crucified, was included as a day since he was crucified at noon.)

There is no scripture stating that Jesus was raised from the dead on the Sabbath.

December 8, 2007 at 7:52 pm#74307

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Hi Laurel:

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94Bishop,
Matt. 26:17 Can not possibly be the first day of unleavened breab, because Unleavened Bread is the 15th. The lambs were slain on the 14th by the Torah.

Matthew 26:17

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17 Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?

This is referring to the 1st day of Passover which is the 14th because the following scripture indicates this:

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Matt. 26:1 And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said unto his disciples, 2 Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.

But then what has that to do with Jesus being resurrected on the Sabbath. If there is no scripture to justify your claim, then you are adding to scripture. I'll stick to what the scriptures have revealed to me. What we believe relative to God's Word must be supported by scripture.

Again, I respect your opinion, and your zeal in serving the Lord, but I am satisfied that God has revealed to me what I have stated relative to these events. To be sure, I have struggled to understand this so that all the gospels are in agreement, and I believe that I have shown that they do agree.

God Bless

94 The Passover feasts included Passover day. So when you said Passover the feasts of unleavened bread is included. And when you said the first day of unleavened bread that would be Passover day. The feasts of Passover included the feasts of unleavened bread. The days of unleavened bread are part of the Passover.

Passover day was the day they slaughtered the lamb. The last supper was in the beginning of The passover day which was evening. Passover day is NOT a Sabbath, the next day the 15th was an “annual Sabbath, a HIGH day”.

Why is it that the false sabbath, which the harlot claims was the same day as the resurrection day, has bunny rabbits that lay eggs?

The forth commandment is the Seventh day the same day that God Himself kept. So if you keep HIS day you keep the Same day Jesus was resurrected. The RCC tries to claim the same but with the first day. Again we have a choice God's day or the Popes day.

Please let us keep the commandments of God and faith in Jesus, Rev. 14 :12.

God bless,

Ken

Hi Ken:

Please read what I have posted. I have given scripture to support what I believe.

If there is a scripture which shows that Jesus was resurrected on the Sabbath day, please post it otherwise the subject is closed from my perspective.

I do keep the commandments. Are you the example of how I should keep them or is Jesus? And is he the judge or are you?

Ken, you have already stated what you believe. It is not necessary to keep repeating it over and over again.

Jesus said, not Paul or any other apostle. This came from the master Himself.

Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

There is no way anyone can get three days and three nights from Friday to Sunday morning.

Mar 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen, early the first day of the week he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

A simple move of the comma puts Mark agreeing with the other gospels. The tomb was found EMPTY on the first day.

Just as the move of a comma makes this scripture make sense.

Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee To day , shalt thou be with me in paradise.

If the commas are in the correct place then the scriptures do not agree with the rest of the bible on their subject.

Jesus said it, I believe it, I do not believe the POPE!

But remember what matters is the keeping of God's commandments and faith in Jesus.

What scripture says that Jesus was resurrected on the first day?

Hi Ken:

We are not quoting the Pope here. We are quoting scripture. Please quote the scripture which states that Jesus was raised on the Sabbath day. Also, I have posted an answer to Mrs. IAM4Truth stating that Jesus did not say “three days and nights in the grave”. He said “in the heart of the earth”. He was in agony on Thursday as he anticipated the crucifixion.

December 8, 2007 at 9:28 pm#74312

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942767 To say in the Hearth of the Earth is not in the earth is ridicoulous. Is your Heart not inside you? Belief what you want to you will do it anyway no matter what I or anybodu else will say. We have gone round and around with this. I belief sciptures have been given. And I am finished.

Peace and Love Mrs.

December 8, 2007 at 10:25 pm#74315

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Peace and Love Mrs.

Hi Mrs:

You haven't given me a scripture saying that Jesus was raised on the Sabbath, and yes, unless you give me scripture to support your belief then I will have to stick to what I believe to be the truth. I tried to understand this by what the scripture states. Is that not what we are supposed to do?

Meanwhile, I will continue to pray as I do each morning asking God to correct me if I am teaching anything that is not His Word or doing anything that is not His will.

God Bless

December 9, 2007 at 1:02 am#74318

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Quote (942767 @ Dec. 09 2007,09:25)

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Peace and Love Mrs.

Hi Mrs:

Meanwhile, I will continue to pray as I do each morning asking God to correct me if I am teaching anything that is not His Word or doing anything that is not His will.

God Bless

Oh well! Whatever you want.

God bless,

Ken

December 10, 2007 at 6:32 am#74408

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Really? Where is your proof? Are you a scholar? If it is so cut and dry as you say then why are we still having these discussions?

I could easily say the “Arians” tampered with the text. Again, you have no proof of such. In fact there were many of the scholars that were not even believers, let alone Trinitarian.

So let me see, when you quote scriptures to support your “Unitarian” faith should I claim that the scriptures you quote were tampered with.

Based on what I am hearing you say, why should I believe anything you quote as being true then?

I am sure glad I have more faith in the scriptures than that.

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There are thousands of errors in our present text, and modern critical scholars agree with this assementment, it's not just my saying it WJ.

Well then whats the point?

Why should I agree with anyone who disagrees with me when all I need to do is claim the text is corrupt?

So why dont we all just throw our Bibles away and just assert what we believe?

What good is it to have these discussions if we are gonna cry foul play everytime the scriptures do not agree with my doctrine?

Isnt this exactly what satan does is cast doubt on the scriptures?

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I ask you to do me one favor if you would, push aside your predesposed belief system and get the book..> Misquoting Jesus, and see what you think.

Spare me. I have my Bible. If you dont like it then dont quote from it and go write your own.

These are the last days and the enemy has come down having great wrath and to decieve.

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peace to you WJ……gene

Do you think I havnt listened to this same kind of rhetoric and hoopla over the last 33 years in my walk with the Lord?

I have a teacher and an unction from the Holy One, the Spirit bears witness with my Spirit, of the truth.

The scriptures are not perfect, but when the many scriptures witness to the truth then we should listen to them.

I search the scriptures daily to see if these things are so.

I trust in 100s of scholars to have given us the most purist form of scripture possible.

You trust in an appologist.

Men should be carefull how they approach the scriptures.

But I see a lot of doubt, and will have no part of it.

1 Jn 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

2 Tim 3:13
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

December 10, 2007 at 6:46 am#74409