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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2014,02:11) Hi KW,
Are there any references to Jesus being blessed by the Spirit before the Jordan?
The vine of the world is from Rev14.17f
Nick,Thank your but how does this fit into your claim about Jesus
Revelation 14:17-20
New English Translation (NET)17 Then another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. 18 Another angel, who was in charge of the fire, came from the altar and called in a loud voice to the angel who had the sharp sickle, “Use your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of grapes off the vine of the earth, because its grapes are now ripe.” 19 So the angel swung his sickle over the earth and gathered the grapes from the vineyard of the earth and tossed them into the great winepress of the wrath of God. 20 Then the winepress was stomped outside the city, and blood poured out of the winepress up to the height of horses’ bridles for a distance of almost two hundred miles.
Quote But he had never sinned so neither did he produce the fruit of the world's vine before then I do not see how you get that the fruit of the world's vine is works as it bleeds.
It seems to me that you are saying Jesus neither bore the works of the flesh or the fruit of the Spirit before he was immersed by John and and as far as I hear from Scripture those are the only two options there are.
Hi KW,
Those who experience the wrath of God are the unsaved.
God has not destined us for wrath.The fruit of the earth is sin
Jesus was not a sinnerQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2014,04:59) hi T,
So how does a man conceived in Mary fit your claims about him?
NMary is a sinner and under the sentence of dead ,she accomplishes the words of God in prophecy ,and God used her to bring his son THE WORD” the first of all creation into the world ,
she was a surrogate mother God did not need her to supply more than a body or coat of flesh to the son of God ,this is what the power of God is all about ,
in fact Mary says ;Lk 1:34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
so she knows that it takes a man to bring forth a child ,
My soul glorifies the Lord
Lk 1:47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
Lk 1:48 for he has been mindful
of the humble state of his servant.
From now on all generations will call me blessed,
Lk 1:49 for the Mighty One has done great things for me—
holy is his name.
Lk 1:50 His mercy extends to those who fear him,
from generation to generation.
Lk 1:51 He has performed mighty deeds with his arm;
he has scattered those who are proud in their inmost thoughts.
Lk 1:52 He has brought down rulers from their thrones
but has lifted up the humble.
Lk 1:53 He has filled the hungry with good things
but has sent the rich away empty.
Lk 1:54 He has helped his servant Israel,
remembering to be merciful
Lk 1:55 to Abraham and his descendants forever,
even as he said to our fathers.”in this song Mary knew that God uses her for his will and she was glad to do so to be the instrument for his purpose ,
and yes she became the surrogate mother of the son of God all through the power of God almighty
she could not be the mother of the son of God who his perfect and true in all respect ,she is born in sin and so cannot participate in the construction of God's only son ,
her only contribution his her womb to give flesh to the only son of God
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2014,07:44) Hi T,
Jesus said she is his mother
but you say just a surrogateWhom should we believe?
NHE CALLED HER A WOMEN AS WELL,;Jn 19:26 When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Dear woman, here is your son,”
Jn 19:27 and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.AND HE CALLED HER NOTHING AS WELL ;Lk 2:48 When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you.”
Lk 2:49 “Why were you searching for me?” he asked. “Didn’t you know I had to be in my Father’s house?”I AM SURPRISED THAT YOU DID NOT TELL THAT JOSEPH WAS HIS FATHER MANY BELIEVED IT FOR MANY YEARS
LK 1:42 And she cried out with a loud voice and said, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!
THE FRUIT IT SAYS ; HMMM
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2014,07:09) Hi KW,
Those who experience the wrath of God are the unsaved.
God has not destined us for wrath.The fruit of the earth is sin
Jesus was not a sinner
Nick,The fruit of the earth are unbelievers who both bleed and suffer the wrath of God.
Jesus was not a sinner before his immersions which means he bore the fruits of the spirit because there is only two options and he did not bear the works of the flesh. As Jesus said by their fruit you will know them.
Jesus was immersed by John for the forgiveness of his sins not because he sinned but to fulfill righteousness. At that time he was also revealed as approved by God. He may well have been anointed to be the Christ that day as God stated “This is my one dear Son; in him I take great delight.” That is an implied doctrine.
Hi KW,
Two options by logic.?
But it is impossible to produce the fruits of the spirit without being blessed of the SpiritHi KW,
Scripture does not say there are only two possibilities but you do.
You cannot make an exception to your legalistic view for the Holy one of God?Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2014,07:09) Hi KW,
Those who experience the wrath of God are the unsaved.
God has not destined us for wrath.The fruit of the earth is sin
Jesus was not a sinner
NQuote The fruit of the earth is sin
Jesus was not a sinnerbut you say that Christ is a man like us and so is the fruit of the earth ,
but scriptures says he CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN ,FROM HIS FATHER'S PLACE
SO HE IS NOT THE FRUIT OF THE EARTH BUT OF HEAVEN
AND HIS DISCIPLES ARE GODLY FRUITS NOURISHED WITH PURE WATERS AND THE TRUE LIGHT ARE THE FRUITS FROM THE EARTH ,AS FIRST FRUITS ,
BUT SCRIPTURES SAYS THAT IT IS THE WORKS OF THE FLESH THAT IS THE FRUITS THAT LEAD US TO SIN ,
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2014,11:38) Hi KW,
Scripture does not say there are only two possibilities but you do.
You cannot make an exception to your legalistic view for the Holy one of God?
Nick,Scripture only gives two possibilities. It it written:
Galatians 5:16
New English Translation (NET)16 But I say, live by the Spirit and you will not carry out the desires of the flesh.
That is two possibilities. There is no third option given.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2014,11:05) Hi KW,
Two options by logic.?
But it is impossible to produce the fruits of the spirit without being blessed of the Spirit
Nick,So it follows that Jesus already had the Holy Spirit as counselor when he was immersed by John.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2014,04:16) Hi KW,
No room for a sinless man then?
Logic does not align spiritual things.
What you are saying is, that Jesus was empty of the HS
for 30years.wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2014,09:19) Hi WU,
Should we speculate otherwise?
Is that a yes or no?wakeup.
Hi WU,
No it is an invitation to you to show where scripture says he was of the Spirit before the Jordan.
Miracles, healings and other works would helpQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2014,23:16) Hi KW,
No room for a sinless man then?
Logic does not align spiritual things.
Nick,There is only one way to be sinless and that is to bear the fruit of the Spirit. That takes faith which is why it is true the righteous live by faith. The Spirit is God's grace to believers.
The new man bears the fruit of the Spirit while the old man bears the works of the flesh.
That is why Jesus taught us by their fruit you will know them.
The new man is sinless and the old man is a sinner.
You should know these things so stop using the false teaching about logic to run from the wisdom of God.
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