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Hi UMBS,
There is no GOD THE SON, or GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT.
Such thinking still pervades the halls of religion.
Blasphemy against the SON OF MAN is forgiveable but not against the Spirit within him.
Hello Ed J
(1)Thank you for providing more scriptures. What I mentioned about reasoning at Acts 5:3-4 …was not My reasoning..I was using YOUR REASONING..it was just to show that implying that scripture shows that holy spirit is God (which was your reasoning)…than one could use that same reasoning to say that Peter is God because it says “you have not lied to men, but to God, and Ananias had actually lied to Peter..so was Peter here saying he was God. Of course not. 2nd Cor 6:16 has nothing to do with the point I was making about Acts. There 2 different scriptures. (2)It seems you are taking a point I was making about Acts 5:3-4 and applying it to other scriptures; (3)However since you bring up Matthew 12:31-32, which states that blasphemy against Christ (God, the son) can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (God the holy spirit) can not be forgiven. If according to the trinity, all 3 Gods of the 1 Godhead are co-equal…how come you can be forgiven for blasphemy against one, and not the other? (3)Doesn’t this disqualify at least the “co-equal” portion of “the trinity’?
Hi UMB5,
1) Yes it is my reasoning and 2Corinthians 6:16 and Matthew 12:31-32 BOTH corroborate it!
So, for you to say it doesn’t apply doesn’t cut it, because I can explain that they do;
while you offer absolutely no explanation that they don’t – only your voice.I have showed using Matthew 12:31-32 that your reasoning DOESN’T work, and 2Cor.6:16 to show mine DOES.
2) Righto! “For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little” (Isaiah 28:10)3) Yep! “my Father(God The Father) is greater than I(God Son)” (John 14:28)
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God bless
Ed JHi UMB5,
God’s Spirit (HolySpirit) is not another person
………………and neither is
Jesus’ spirit “the spirit of Christ” a different entity from Jesus
_________________________________________________________________________________JEHOVAH → HolySpirit → GOD
Jesus → “the spirit of Christ” → God Son_______________
God bless
Ed J“Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die,
it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.” (John 12:24)“Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief:
when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed,
he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall
my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I
divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong;
because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors;
and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.” (Isaiah 53:10-12)In what way do those two verses go together?
he was numbered with the transgressors” – I have more information on that
Hi ED,
The seed of Jesus Christ is the outpouring of the Spirit of Christ that happened at Pentecost and is still happening today.
Thousands , perhaps millions, all sharing in the one Holy Spirit with God and His Son.
Hi Ed,
You say
“God’s Spirit (HolySpirit) is not another person [YES}
<span class=”bbcode-color” style=”color: white;”>………………</span>and neither is
Jesus’ spirit “the spirit of Christ” a different entity from Jesus”[??]The Spirit of anointing was given at the Jordan.
The spirit of Jesus left him when he died on calvary. Jn 19.30 etc
Hi ED,
The seed of Jesus Christ is the outpouring of the Spirit of Christ that happened at Pentecost and is still happening today.
Thousands , perhaps millions, all sharing in the one Holy Spirit with God and His Son.
Ho Nick,
Yes Nick, Jesus Prophesied about this event (Pentecost) in John 14:23…
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words:
and my Father will love him, and WE (HolySpirit + spirit of Christ) will come unto him,
and make OUR (HolySpirit + spirit of Christ) abode with him.“God The Father” + “God Son”
indwelling in believers
Hallelujah!PS. See also Isaiah 64:4-5 and Hebrews 9:28.
Hi Ed,
You say
“God’s Spirit (HolySpirit) is not another person [YES}
………………and neither is
Jesus’ spirit “the spirit of Christ” a different entity from Jesus”[??]
.(1)The Spirit of anointing was given at the Jordan.
(2)The spirit of Jesus left him when he died on calvary. Jn 19.30 etc
Hi Nick,
1) The HolySpirit was given at the Jordan
2) And returned at the resurrection3) Jesus was born with “the spirit of Christ” (ref. Luke 2:11 & Matt 2:4)
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Here is a chart for you Nick…JEHOVAH → HolySpirit → GOD
Jesus → “the spirit of Christ” → God SonHi Ed,
The Holy Spirit left him at death and had to return to raise him??
for us Jn 5 25
But not the one we follow?
1 Peter 3.18
they know not what they do more proof
However since you bring up Matthew 12:31-32, which states that blasphemy against Christ (God, the son) can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (God the holy spirit) can not be forgiven. If according to the trinity, all 3 Gods of the 1 Godhead are co-equal…how come you can be forgiven for blasphemy against one, and not the other? Doesn’t this disqualify at least the “co-equal” portion of “the trinity’?
Hi UMB5.
Welcome,
Honestly speaking, for quite a while now I was hoping that somebody might ask THIS PARTICULAR QUESTION REGARDING THE HOLY SPIRIT!
But first and foremost, THE TRINITY DOCTRINE NEVER DECLARES THAT THERE ARE SUCH
THREE GODS!
NOW REGARDING THE HOLY SPIRIT!
Edj, brought up Matthew 12:31-32,and I appreciated it QUITE A LOT, HUMBLY, I always wanted to share an insight regarding that particular scripture, WHICH AS YOU WILL SEE, it manifestly confirmed the UNIQUE FUNCTION of the Holy Spirit which was just being introduced, obvious since the Holy Spirit was and is, responsible of the church, who for the first ever time, made use of His new vital power which He received due to His integration with Jesus, first after Jesus’ resurrection, and second after Jesus’ ascension to God His Father, and this fundamental powerful function, was not in anyway in comparison of what the apostles possessed when they MANIFESTED GOD’S WORK IN JESUS’ NAME!
This is due to the fact that this function was an overwhelming DIRECT DIVINE INTERVENTION , deliberately by the Holy Spirit, and an EXTRA SPIRITUAL MANIFESTATION over and above to what Jesus taught to His apostles, IN FACT THE APOSTLES WERE NOT EVEN AWARE OF IT YET, and it was something which Jesus couldn’t for a particular reason, reveal it to the apostles, but simply He preferred to let the apostles experience THIS MOST VITAL POWERFUL FUNCTION TOTALLY as He seems fit, which was extremely FUNDAMENTAL during and in the establishment of Christ’s new church, which was introduced exactly in ANANIAS CASE!
Now hereunder are the actual scriptures which clearly depict all what I have said above but to define in full it would take pages, so I would highlight only the particular pieces in order to let you reflect upon, and ask whatever you feel to be clarified!John16:6 But because I have spoken these things to you, sorrow hath filled your heart. 7But I tell you the truth: it is expedient to you that I go: for if I go not, the Paraclete will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8And when he is come,
HE WILL CONVINCE THE WORLD OF
SIN, and of
JUSTICE, and of
JUDGEMENT9……………I HAVE YET MANY THINGS TO SAY TO YOU:BUT YOU CANNOT BEAR THEM NOW
13But when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will teach you all truth. For he shall not speak of himself;BUT WHAT THNGS SOEVER HE SHALL HEAR, HE SHALL SPEAK;
and THE THINGS THAT ARE TO COME, HE SHALL SHOW YOU14 HE SHALL GLORIFY ME;
BECAUSE HE SHALL RECEIVE OF MINE, AND SHOW IT TO YOU.Now,In addition, this was also declared by John
FIRST in:
1John1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and HIS WORD IS NOT IN USSO ANANIAS as a Christian LIED and by lying he rejected “THE WORD” JESUS’ FROM WITHIN HIM, HE REJECTED WHAT IT WAS WELL CLEAR IN RELATION TO JESUS’ GOSPEL, AND ALSO IN THE OT.LAW, and the HOLY SPIRIT, who was within Ananias through “!THE WORD” He was aware of it from the least of the least intention, OK?
So he never waited Ananias to commit himself, and then ask forgiveness but HE JUDGED ANANIAS THERE AND THEN!!!!!
SO SIN AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT CANNOT BE FORGIVEN!
ONE LAST THING:The fact that the Holy Spirit took this drastic act, obvious SINCE it was passed onto him from JESUS CHRIST BY THE FATHER, IT IS WELL CLEAR THAT IN THE TRUTH IT WAS HARMONIZED AND CONFIRMED THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THE TRINITY!
THE MOST POWERFUL FUNCTION OF THE DEITY!
This is as clear as crystal depicted in John 16:14
HE SHALL GLORIFY ME;
BECAUSE HE SHALL RECEIVE OF MINE, AND SHOW IT TO YOU.and SECOND in:
1John 5:7 And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.
THE MOST CLEAR EVIDENCE OF THE HOLY TRINITY ! ITS NO USE TWISTING THIS DECLARATION!
NOT ONE GIVES TESTIMONY, ALTHOUGH ONE GOD, BUT THREE IN FULL HARMONY RELATED TO THEIR RESPECTIVE FUNCTION SINCE IN ORDER FOR GOD TO ACHIEVE HIS GENERAL WORK, HE COULD ONLY DO SO THROUGH THE TRINITY PROCESS, OF
LOVE, The Father’s role, WISDOM, the Son role, and POWER the Holy Spirit role!!
Emphasised hereunder again:
8And there are three that give testimony on earth: the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three are one.
REFLECT ON ANANIAS CASE NOW:
THE SPIRIT:
CHRIST’S, JESUS CHRIST GLORIFIED IN THE FATHER’S ROLE FROM HEAVEN, ABSOLUTE RULER WHO INHERITED ALL FROM THE FATHER! FOR THE PLEASURE AND GLORY OF THE FATHER!
SO JESUS CHRIST IS RIGHT NOW THE ONLY TRUE GOD , AND FATHER OF ALL THE ENTIRE CREATION, SINCE ALL BY HIM, ALL IN HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM! WE ARE HIS ESSENCE SPIRITUALLY THROUGH “THE WORD” THE ETERNAL LIFE WITHIN OUR SOULS!!!
THE WATER:
PETER, THE LEADING SOUL, THE ESSENCE OF “THE WORD” , JESUS’ FIRST REPRESENTATIVE ON EARTH IN THE SALVATION PROCESS OF SOULS, BY THE CHURCH, THE BODY OF CHRIST, THE BRIDE TO BE! ESTABLISHED
BY “THE WORD” MADE FLESH JESUS’ BODY,
CONCEIVED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, JESUS’SOUL,
THROUGH “THE WORD” MARY’S SOUL,
AND ACCOMPLISHED IN FULL THROUGH HIS OWN BLOOD AND DEATH!
THE BLOOD:
ANANIAS, THE CHRISTIANS, THE FLESH AND BLOOD EMBODIMENT OF “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SOULS.
THE FLESH EMBODIMENT OF THE CHURCH, JUDGED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND CONFIRMED HIS ABSOLUTE GOVERNMENT OF THE CHURCH ON EARTH!
SO ALTHOUGH THE ABOVE ARE THREE, IN BOTH CASES:
THEY MANIFESTEDONE GOD IN FATHER SON AND HOLY SPIRIT in the first case, and in the second
ONE CHURCH IN SPIRIT, SOUL, AND FLESH BODY OF CHRIST, WHO IS THE HEAD, AND ALL HUMANITY WITHIN THE CHURCH OF CHRIST!
SO: When Jesus stated that scripture in particular, He didn’t mean that there are sins which cannot be forgiven ,since He redeemed humanity from the entire sins Past, present and future!
BUT: He referred to the new function which, from, BY and after Jesus’ glorification and till Satana is crushed, God through the Holy Spirit started to make Jesus’ enemies as His footstool!
JUDGED ON THE SPOT!
IN THESE DAYS THE HOLY SPIRIT IS DEMONSTRATING IT ON A GLOBAL SCALE, SINCE HUMANITY IGNORED COMPLETELY JESUS’ GOSPEL!
like in the case in Nepal!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
The Holy Spirit left him at death and had to return to raise him??
Nick,
Jesus was not raised by the Holy Spirit,
BUT BY HIS OWN SPIRIT!
SINCE ALL BY HIM……..
JESUS DECLARED:
John 10:18 I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it up again.
GOD ACHIEVED ALL REGARDING THE FLESH THROUGH ONE SPIRIT!
“THE WORD” THE SPIRIT OF THE SON!
THE FACT THAT JOHN USED THE TERM
All things were MADE by him: and without him was MADE nothing that was MADE.
THREE TIMES JOHN MENTIONED THE WORD “MADE” THIS WAS ONLY A REFERENCE TO THE FLESH
DUE TO THE FACT THAT THERE ARE THREE PROCESSES TILL FLESH IS ACHIEVED:
MINERAL, PLANT, AND ANIMAL!
Paul also stated in Hebrews 1:2 In these days hath spoken to us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things,
by whom also he made the world. not created the world OK?THEN GOD CREATED ADAM AND BECAME A LIVING SOUL, WHEN HE BREATHED HIS SPIRIT, BUT THAT WAS NOT A PROCESS OF “THE WORD”, SINCE IT WAS REGARDING THE SOULS,
IT WAS THE WORK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT!
Jesus from the cross said to the Father:
And Jesus crying out with a loud voice, said: Father,
into thy hands I commend my spirit. THIS IS NOT A REFERENCE TO THE HOLY SPIRIT
And saying this, he gave up the ghost. THIS IS A REFERENCE TO THE HOLY SPIRIT! HIS SOUL!
SO THE FIRST ONE WAS A REFERENCE TO HIS ACTUAL SPIRIT WHICH ENTERED INTO JESUS AS SOON AS SATAN ENTERED JESUS TO TAKE HIS SOUL,
BUT GOD THE FATHER REMOVED IT FROM SATAN, AND TRANSFERRED IT TO JESUS’BODY, AND MAINTAINED THE SPIRITUAL PROCESS OF JESUS’ BODY, WHICH EVENTUALLY RAISED HIMSELF WITH!THEN AFTER RESURRECTION THE HOLY SPIRIT AND JESUS’BODY UNIFIED AND BECAME ONE GLORIFIED SPIRITUAL FLESH BODY:
JESUS CHRIST
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Wow @Carmel that is the trinity explained……that is exactly what they believe pretty much except for the Satan in Jesus part
Wow @Carmel that is the trinity explained……that is exactly what they believe pretty much except for the Satan in Jesus part
Bod,
Can you expand your understanding regarding
Satana/FEMALE,IN JESUS PART
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