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Ed,
Acts 5:3-4Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
In this passage you conclude that the Spirit is called God because Ananias lied to both the Holy Ghost and to God. You can lie to two individuals but the Spirit is not separate individual it is part of God just as our spirits are part of us.
I was not asking where you believe it was implied but rather where it came out and called the Spirit God.
Luke 1:35Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
I see where you derive it from here but like the former passage I find you use invalid reasoning. That is not the point. The point is that it does not literally call the Spirit, God.
1 Timothy 3:16Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
I do not even see your reasoning why you derive it from this passage but the bottom line is that it does not literally call the Spirit, God.
I am looking for a literal statement and not a derived one. I am sorry I gave the wrong impression.
688 + 1260 = 1948
Okay ED so what happened in 1948?
Location Jerusalem
Established Built 685-691why was 688 important?
Wow ED is the Abomination of desolation the OCCUPATION of ISRAEL in the Palestinian homeland because that is what occured in 1948
the problem is again you think backwards because the Jews didn’t flee into the nations they fled to Israel/Palestine
The conflict triggered significant demographic change throughout the Middle East. Around 700,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from the area that became Israel and they became Palestinian refugees.[17] In the three years following the war, about 700,000 Jews fled from Arab lands and immigrated to Israel, with one third of them having been expelled from their previous countries of residence in the Middle East.[18]~Wikipedia
The Jews fled from the other Arab countries after the time you put 49,50,51
Learn before you speak688 + 1260 = 1948
Okay ED so what happened in 1948?
Hi BD,
The abomination of desolation was put up in 688ad,
Israel was commanded to flee to the nations for 1,260 years,
and in 1948 Israel was once again a Nation fulfilling this prophecy…“Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day?
or shall a nation (Israel 1948) be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.” (Isaiah 66:8)____________
God bless
Ed JHI EDJ
Daniel 12:11Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up,
- there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Revelation 12:6Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
So we have 1290 from the time the daily sacrifice is taken away which is a little short by about 17 years how accurate do you have to be?
so 1290? I thought you said 1260? Wow EDJ show me how all these incredible numbers come together, okay?
I have to tell you though what your saying doesn’t quite make any bit of sense but let’s play any way please respond to what I write above
HI EDJ
Daniel 12:11Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up,
there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Revelation 12:6Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
So we have 1290 from the time the daily sacrifice is taken away which is a little short by about 17 years how accurate do you have to be?
so 1290? I thought you said 1260? Wow EDJ show me how all these incredible numbers come together, okay?
I have to tell you though what your saying doesn’t quite make any bit of sense but let’s play any way please respond to what I write above
Hi BD,
“Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end” (Dan 12:9)
They are no longer sealed.
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh
desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he that
waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.” (Dan 12:11-12)602bc – 688ad = 1290 years – Nebuchadnezzar took the daily sacrifice away in 602bc.
688ad + 1260 = 1948 years – Israel became a nation once againBlessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days
688 + 1335 = 2023 years – my guess is that the dome of the rock mosque will be torn down by that date.
Bodhitharta,
I am not even sure that the occupants of the land the Philistines are Arab, though there are Arabs among them. S genetic test was done on the people of Lebanon and many of them are linked to the Canaanites. Unless the Arab conquerors wiped out the people that were already present then those people were more numerous than the invaders. The Turks do not seem to have left much behind either.
Bodhitharta,
One Palestinian states he is Arab because he speaks Arab so I guess I am English even though I am American.
Hi K
Bodhitharta,
One Palestinian states he is Arab because he speaks Arab so I guess I am English even though I am American.
Lol…I know it is funny because many people think that being a Jew is a race but it is not so there are Jewish Arabs and Israeli Christians
They know not what they do?More proof
I heard Jesus call his Father and our Father God and therefore I believe his spoken word.
Kerwin,
The trouble is that we have DIFFERENT PERCEPTIONS REGARDING WHAT YOU SAID IN THE ABOVE STATEMENT!
THE FACT THAT ALTHOUGH JESUS CLEARLY DECLARED THAT NO ONE REACH THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH HIM!
YOU AND MANY BELIEVERS CALL THE FATHER AND IGNORE COMPLETELY JESUS!
JESUS IS IN THE TRUTH IS OUR FATHER, SINCE HE GAVE HIS LIFE FOR ALL HUMANITY, AND RECREATED ALL CREATION ANEW AND BECAME BOTH GOD AND FATHER TO IT!ISAIAH 9:6
SO UNLESS WE GET IT INTO OUR MIND THAT WE MUST CALL JESUS OUR FATHER
GOD ALMIGHTY WOULD IGNORE ALL THE FATHERS’CALLS ADDRESSED ONLY TO HIM!
SO GOD ALMIGHTY IS ONLY JESUS’ FATHER NOT OURS,WITHOUT ACCEPTING JESUS AS OUR FATHER AND OUR GOD!
IF WE ADORE GOD ALMIGHTY DIRECTLY WE WOULD BE IGNORED!
BUT IF WE ADORE JESUS, WE WOULD BE ADORING BOTH OUR LORD GOD JESUS CHRIST AND GOD ALMIGHTY
JOhn 14:13 Because I go to the Father: and whatsoever you shall ask the Father in in
MY NAME, that WILL I DO: that
the Father may be glorified in the Son.NOT IN HIMSELF!
14If you shall
ASK ME any thing in MY NAME,
that I WILL DO. AS THE ONLY TRUE GOD AND FATHER
GOD ALMIGHTY IS HAVING A REST, HE ENRICHED HIMSELF TOTALLY AND WELL PLEASED TO GIVE ALL TO JESUS CHRIST! ETERNALLY!
TILL THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Hi C,
You simply do not know what you are talking about.
Yet you expect us to take your musings seriously?
Hi C,
You simply do not know what you are talking about.
Yet you expect us to take your musings seriously?
Nick,
What are you Talking about!
Which post are you referring to?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
You said “faith” first but Scripture states believing comes from hearing the word.
Kerwin,
HOW A DUMP DEAF PERSON BELIEVE?
What is the ingredient which makes one BELIEVE?
Luke 17:6 And the Lord said: If you had faith like to a grain of mustard seed, you might say to this mulberry tree, Be thou rooted up, and be thou transplanted into the sea: and it would obey you.
Now what is the size of your faith?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
I have read many comments regarding this subject, (the 3 Gods in one Godhead) and notice that the third God, ” God The Holy Spirit” is often left out, hardly discussed, and seemingly having the least scriptural evidence, so this particular comment caught my eye. After reading Acts 5:3-4, and by using the reasoning of this scripture as an implication as who God is, I have to ask, couldn’t one also imply that Peter is God? The last sentence says “you have lied not to men, but to God”…but Ananias literally lied to Peter, right? So using this type of reasoning one would also be able to imply that since the scriptures say “you have not lied to men, but to God”, and since Ananias lied to Peter, that makes Peter God”.. I of course do not believe this scripture is saying that Peter is God, but just pointing out the flaws of this type of reasoning. This leaves me still searching and wondering why God, The Holy Spirit seems so much less important, less discussed, and having really no valid scriptural backing of being God. Doesn’t that dismantle at least this part (the holy spirit) of “The Trinity”?
*forgive me if I am not following the proper format, wording, or etiquette of this forum/discussion. Although I read bible based forums/discussions often, I am new to actually commenting.
After reading Acts 5:3-4, and by using the reasoning of this scripture as an implication as who God is, I have to ask, couldn’t one also imply that Peter is God? The last sentence says “you have lied not to men, but to God”…but Ananias literally lied to Peter, right? So using this type of reasoning one would also be able to imply that since the scriptures say “you have not lied to men, but to God”, and since Ananias lied to Peter, that makes Peter God”.. I of course do not believe this scripture is saying that Peter is God, but just pointing out the flaws of this type of reasoning.
Hi UMB5,
And what about this verse…
“And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said,
I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.” (2 Cor 6:16)Let’s continue with YOUR reasoning, is Peter dwelling in and walking God’s people or is God?
And how is God walking in the people (as your theory fails) if not Peter? the HolySpirit no?…and please do tell which of the two the following verse is referring to? …seriously please…
“Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but
the blasphemy against the HolySpirit shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh
a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the HolySpirit,
it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.” (Matthew 12:31-32)Whom do you think this verse is speaking of Peter or God?
_______________
God bless
Ed J<hr />
Hello Ed J
Thank you for providing more scriptures. What I mentioned about reasoning at Acts 5:3-4 …was not My reasoning..I was using YOUR REASONING..it was just to show that implying that scripture shows that holy spirit is God (which was your reasoning)…than one could use that same reasoning to say that Peter is God because it says “you have not lied to men, but to God, and Ananias had actually lied to Peter..so was Peter here saying he was God. Of course not. 2nd Cor 6:16 has nothing to do with the point I was making about Acts. There 2 different scriptures. It seems you are taking a point I was making about Acts 5:3-4 and applying it to other scriptures; However since you bring up Matthew 12:31-32, which states that blasphemy against Christ (God, the son) can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (God the holy spirit) can not be forgiven. If according to the trinity, all 3 Gods of the 1 Godhead are co-equal…how come you can be forgiven for blasphemy against one, and not the other? Doesn’t this disqualify at least the “co-equal” portion of “the trinity’?
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