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Danny,
You asked:
You didn’t answer the question.
In Deut 10:17 Yahweh is identified as God of gods, and Lord of lords!
Jesus Christ is His Son.
Do you agree?Jesus is the Son within the Unity of Yahweh, His father is the Father within the Yahweh Unity. Within the Yahweh Unity there it Yahweh in the person of the Father and Yahweh in the person of the Father’s Son.
Berean, John wrote that the Word was a god (not THE god/God), and that through him (not by him) all things were created.
Now please just answer my questions. (Why the heck is answering a question with a simple direct answer so hard for everyone around here these days?)
What is the name of the Most High God, Berean?
What is the name of the creator of the heaven, the earth, the sea, and everything in them.
Thank you.
Berean,
You are seeing what I and many Christians see in the verses that you bring up here. We are not alone! There is a reason we can see the same thing as many Christians. Keep fighting the good fight!
Blessings, LU
John tells us that the Word is THE Only Begotten God.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God whom no one has seen and the Word was the Only Begotten God. John1:1-18.
Keeping it simple.
Berean said:
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:…
V.27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them….
Colossians 1:15 (Jesus) Who is the image of the invisible God,….
Hebrews1 :3 (Jesus)Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person…
My conclusion is that since the Only Begotten Son of God is THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF THE FATHER, THE REFLECTION OF HIS GLORY, THE MAN WHO WAS CREATED IN THE BEGINNING IS IN THE IMAGE OF THE FATHER AND THE SON. AND SO VERSES 26 and 27 of Genesis 1 ARE IN HARMONY.
Good point! Kudos to you 🙂
LU
Mike,
Regarding this:
LU: If Yahweh is the great and awesome God who is both God and Lord, two persons who are each Yahweh as well as together the Unity of Yahweh, then one can anoint the other.
Mike:
Nonsense. You can’t just pick and choose when you want “Yahweh” to mean “Father”, when you want it to mean “Son”, and when you want it to mean “Unity of Father and Son”.
You should take a good HARD look at my last post to Berean.
Oh, and please answer the two questions I asked you this morning…
Is there a LIVING BEING mentioned anywhere in Gen 1:1? Yes or No?
The words “LIVING BEING” is not mentioned in Gen 1:1.
Choosing what and who is meant by Yahweh is done regularly here even by you. You choose differently but you do choose.
Danny,
It seems that you haven’t answered some important questions of mine to you. Would you please answer them.
Like this:
*Danny, can you tell me of a higher unity in heaven or on earth? Do you think that the Father and the Son are not united in the rule and reign of creation?
*If a guy named Israel, had a son who he named Israel then Israel would be the name of a father, his son, and a unity-the nation of Israel. Would you agree with that statement? Yes or No.
Many sons are named after their fathers, Danny. Do you agree? Yes or No.
*Danny, who is the Lord of lords here in the OT:
Deut 10:17 For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who does not show partiality, nor take a bribe.
Danny, who is the Lord of lords here in the NT:
Rev 19:16 They will make war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will triumph over them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and He will be accompanied by His called and chosen and faithful ones.”
*The fact that Yahweh uses people as His instruments to carry out His will, doesn’t dispel the Unity of Yahweh nor does it address Zech 11:13. Do you believe that the Son was valued at 30 pieces of silver or the Father was valued at 30 pieces of silver which was used to buy the Potter’s Field?
If I missed any of those answers, please show me where you answered them, thanks. LU
LU: John tells us that the Word is THE Only Begotten God.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God whom no one has seen and the Word was the Only Begotten God. John1:1-18.
Keeping it simple.
Actually, you did make it very simple… thanks. In the beginning, “the Only Begotten God” was with “the God whom no one has seen”.
That adds up to TWO gods, Kathi. Case closed?
Mike: Is there a LIVING BEING mentioned anywhere in Gen 1:1? Yes or No?
LU: The words “LIVING BEING” is not mentioned in Gen 1:1.
That’s not what I asked you. Please directly answer my question as it was asked. Thanks.
I’m also waiting for your direct answer to my question at the bottom of post 931831… “In which of the three instances I listed above does it mean that the representative/angel of Yahweh actually IS Yahweh Himself?”
(See what I mean, Berean? I can’t get Pretender to directly answer simple questions. I can ‘t get Gene to do it. I can’t get Adam to do it. And I can’t get Kathi to do it. Please don’t ever be like the people who profess to teach you about the Bible, but are unable to answer simple questions in a direct and straightforward manner.)
Mike,
In the beginning, “the Only Begotten God” was with “the God whom no one has seen”.
Neither one is God apart from the other. They are not two separate gods. The Son is the “only begotten God part of the Unity of Yahweh and the Father is “the God whom no one has seen” part of the Unity of Yahweh.
Like two sides of the coin make up one coin. When you only see one side of the coin, you recognize that as a coin. If you saw the other side of the coin, you would recognize that as a coin. Would you have two coins, no. You would have just one coin with two sides, each side is a coin in a unique way to the other but they are not two different coins. You could not spend them separately.
Jesus is God in a unique way than how the Father is God but they are together one God.
LU: …each side is a coin in a unique way to the other but they are not two different coins.
No Kathi, each side of a coin is not itself a coin. I’m praying that you are making a joke here. I can’t bring myself to imagine the implications if you are being serious here. In what world would anybody in their right mind think that one half of a single coin was itself a coin?
Let me adjust your statement so you can see more clearly what you yourself said…
“each
sideis a coinin a unique way to the otherbut they are not two different coins”EACH is a coin, but they are not two different coins? 🤯
Kathi, do you think that each side of this coin IS a coin? 😳
LU: Mike,
What is your definition of a living being?
Again… are you serious?
Living = Alive
Being = Existing Entity
Now will you answer the question?
Is there a LIVING BEING (an ALIVE ENTITY) mentioned anywhere in Gen 1:1? Yes or No?
Mike,
You said: No Kathi, each side of a coin is not itself a coin.
Exactly, each side of the coin is not itself a coin. Both sides are together a coin. Yet, when you look at one side of the coin, you recognize that as a coin and you wouldn’t even have to see the other side. When you look at the other side of the coin, you recognize that as a coin also. There can be no such thing as a half a coin unless it is severed and if cut in half like your picture there is no value to either side. The Father and Son will never be severed. They will always be ultimately one God, two persons with distinct identities and distinct roles as that one God. Both sides have the exact same nature and same value but both sides are different sides. Your idea would make a one sided coin which could not exist as a coin at all.
Showing me a picture of a coin cut in half is showing me that you don’t understand what a side of a coin is. You are showing me a coin that is severed and I never mentioned that idea. You are showing me a coin with half a face separated from the other part of the face. I never even alluded to that.
Here is a picture of two sides of one coin:
Those are two sides of the same coin, they are not each a half a coin. Each side is unique but have the same value. Each side is co-dependent of the existence of the other to be the coin side that it is. The Father and the Son are co-dependent of the other to be the persons that they are. The tale side of the coin would not be the tale side without the head side being the head side and visa versa.Do you see what a different picture you presented that the one that I presented???
I believe the two sides must co-exist to be what either side is.
It’s simple.
Mike,
Is there a LIVING BEING (an ALIVE ENTITY) mentioned anywhere in Gen 1:1? Yes or No?
No. there are two.
Mike…….My understading of scriptures is “not lacking” I knew you would quote that scripture, but my point was and is, that even if we bow our knee to Jesus, it’s not to the “GLORY” OF Jesus, ‘it’s “TO”, the “GLORY OF “God the Father of “ALL” CREATION.
So it seems your lack of actually understanding scripture and believing what they “actually” are saying, is lacking. IMO
HERE is what I and all true beleavers, says about who Jesus is, and what our relationship, should be with Jesus and God clearly explained .
1Ti 2:5……For there is “ONE” God, and one mediator between God and men , the “MAN” Christ Jesus.
I will dreak that down for you Mike , seening, you seem to have a hard time understanding simple written scriptures, This is what that scripture says….. to us “true” believers (including Jesus there exists “only” “ONE”, God/gods, and there is “only” “ONE” mediator between, that “ONE” God/god, that is the, “MAN”, Christ (the anointed man ) Jesus.
Hope you were able to follow that Mike, and believe it, if you do, then you really need to just let that sink in, before you start running all over the place looking for excusses to not truly belive what Jesus and our scriptures say . Jesus is not a God/man there exists no such thing as a “God/god / MAN”. THERE exists “NO” OTHER “true” God/god’s , but “ONE”, “TO” ALL “TRUE” Believers Mike. Trying to seperate the “ONENESS” OF “OUR” TRUE GOD, IS A SIN, MIKE,
Peace and love to you and your Mike………..gene
Hi LU,
Is Jesus the Son of the God in Deuteronomy 10:17
Yes or No?I already answered some of your questions.
Please go back in the thread and you will find them.
Thanks.LU: “each side is a coin”
Also LU: “each side of the coin is not itself a coin”
Well I’m glad we got that worked out.
LU: Showing me a picture of a coin cut in half is showing me that you don’t understand what a side of a coin is.
I knew exactly what you meant by “each side of a coin”. I showed the coin cut in half the way I did on purpose, to make it easier for you to see that each side of a coin is NOT actually a coin, as you had claimed. Because if “each side is a coin”, as you originally claimed, then the claim must work whether we are contrasting the heads side from the tails side… OR the left side from the right side, as I showed.
At any rate, we now agree that each side of a coin is not itself a coin – as you had originally said. Maybe my “thinking outside the box” image helped in some way to align us in the truth of the matter.
Btw, I also fully understand your coin analogy. You believe that the heads side is the Father while the tails side is the Son – and together they make one individual “Yahweh Unity” coin.
The problem is that, unlike the heads and tails sides of a coin, the Father and Son can be separated. For example, Jesus rules from a different throne than his Father and God. Can the heads side and tails side of a single coin rule from different thrones? And in Daniel and Revelation, Jesus is clearly someone other than God, who is deemed worthy to approach God’s throne and be given rewards from his and our God. Can the tails side of a coin approach the heads side from a different location? And if Yahweh was a coin comprised of two sides, why would John even have to write that tails was with heads in the beginning? How could they not be with each other at all times? Imagine John 17:5 with a coin…
And now, Heads, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. Respectfully, Tails.
How about John 3:16-17…
For Heads so loved the world that he gave Tails… For Heads did not send Tails into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world…
In fact, they can still be separated even today… just like Satan was once “the seal of perfection” but then separated himself from his God. Jesus still has that same free will – just like currently faithful gods like Michael and Gabriel do. Jesus is not God, Kathi, but one of God’s many heavenly sons – each one created with free will to either obey and align their wills with the will of their God – or reject their God like Satan and a third of God’s heavenly sons already did.
We see this clearly in Luke 22:42… “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”
Jesus and his God are two individual living beings – each with their own wills. Jesus is one of God’s good servants – not because he is God, or even a part of God – but because he continually chooses to align his will with the will of his and our God.
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