The Yahweh Unity

[Berean]

On the other hand, I do not know why in this psalm, the name Jesus (or YESHUA) is not used.

[Lightenup]

Mike,

Thanks for your prayers, I’m already much better.

Regarding John 17:11, go to the interlinear and look at the pronoun “which” and you will see that it is neuter and singular just like the word “name” not male and plural which it would be if it meant to refer to “those”.

That proves that it is the Father’s name that was given to Jesus and not referring to “those”. Easy peasy.

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/17-11.htm

[mikeboll64]

Berean: Already in Psalm 24, I see (I am not the only one) the Son of God received by the heavenly host in the HEAVENLY CITY, as KING OF GLORY and named YHVH (in the original).

Most commentators see them singing this song as the Ark of the Covenant is finally brought into Jerusalem – and logically conclude that the name Yahweh refers to the Father, who “dwelt” between the cherubs on the ark.

Ellicott’s Commentary

The King of glory shall come in.—This name, in which the claim for admission is made, connects the psalm immediately with the ark… the symbol of the Divine presence and of victory comes to seek a lasting resting-place.

MacLaren’s Expositions

This whole psalm was probably composed at the time of the bringing of the ark into the city of Zion…

This second half of our psalm is probably to be thought of as being chanted when the procession had reached the summit of the hill and stood before the barred gates of the ancient Jebusite city. It is mainly in answer to the question, ‘Who is this King of Glory?’ and is the description of the God that dwells with men, and the meaning of His dwelling with them…

Of course, the dramatic form of question and answer is intended to give additional force to the proclamation as by God Himself of the Covenant name, the proper name of Israel’s God.

Benson Commentary
— The glorious King Jehovah, who resided in the Shechinah, or glory, over the ark, the symbol of his presence, and between the cherubim.

Barnes’ Notes on the Bible
And the King of glory shall come in – The glorious King. The allusion is to God as a King. On the cover of the ark, or the mercy-seat, the symbol of the divine presence – the Shekinah – rested; and hence, it was natural to say that God would enter through those gates. In other words, the cover of the ark was regarded as his abode – His seat – His throne; and, as thus occupying the mercy-seat, He was about to enter the place of His permanent abode. Compare Exodus 25:17, Exodus 25:20, Exodus 25:22.

To be fair, some of the commentators, including Benson, offer that it also could be in reference to Jesus.  But what indication do we have that any of these people even knew about Jesus – let alone considered him a part of the God whom they referred to as a “He”, not a “They”?

So while you are certainly welcome to your (biased) opinion on the matter, this psalm is clearly not an explicit proclamation about Jesus having the name YHWH.

It is just another of those few scriptures that, if forcefully understood as claiming that the son, servant, messiah, prophet and priest OF God actually IS the God he is all those things OF, can be hobbled into a doctrine that is built around 6 or 7 non-specific verses, and ignores or rejects the thousands of very explicit verses to the contrary.

[mikeboll64]

LU: Regarding John 17:11, go to the interlinear and look at the pronoun “which” and you will see that it is neuter and singular just like the word “name” not male and plural which it would be if it meant to refer to “those”.

That proves that it is the Father’s name that was given to Jesus and not referring to “those”. Easy peasy.

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/17-11.htm

I had just posted a bunch of info on this matter.  Didn’t you read it?  It is in post 932260 on the previous page.  The bottom line is that various mss have it worded differently.  You have pointed me to an interlinear of one of the mss that has the singular neuter.  The don’t all have the singular neuter.

And even if the singular neuter is the original, it certainly doesn’t mean what you think it does – as I painstakingly pointed out clearly in that same post.

Please go back and read it, and then give me your new response.  Thanks.

[mikeboll64]

Berean:  On the other hand, I do not know why in this psalm, the name Jesus (or YESHUA) is not used.

Probably for the reasons mentioned in my previous post to you.  It is obvious that this was a song made for the event of bringing the Ark into Jerusalem, and Yahweh refers to the Father, who was said to dwell between the cherubim on the cover of the ark.

[mikeboll64]

Kathi?  There are a few posts awaiting responses from you.  Have you given up on this doctrine you tried to build on shifting sands?

[Lightenup]

Hello Mike,

I just got back from being out of town.

Regarding begotten…

There are two instances of the Son as being begotten:

He was begotten:

1. from the Father before creation
2. from the dead on the third day after His crucifixion

[Lightenup]

Mike,

You said:

And even if the singular neuter is the original, it certainly doesn’t mean what you think it does – as I painstakingly pointed out clearly in that same post.

The verse is all you need to see that the Father has given HIS name to the Son and they are ONE. That is enough to show the Unity of Yahweh.

You gave opinions that vary from each other. I think the verse is clear.

[Lightenup]

Mike,

You said:

Do you also agree with me that it’s silly to think that a bonafide member of the Most High God will rule from the throne of one of the Most High God’s servants?

A bonafide member of the Unity of Yahweh emptied Himself to become a bondservant to make propitiation of sin for the entire world and after He did that, He regained all He had emptied Himself of and gained more. He sits on the throne next to the other bonafide member of the Unity of Yahweh and currently has all authority in heaven and on earth…That’s Biblical.

[mikeboll64]

LU: There are two instances of the Son as being begotten:

He was begotten:

from the Father before creation
from the dead on the third day after His crucifixion

In which scripture can we read about the former instance?

[Lightenup]

Mike,

For us there is one God team or Godhead, the Unity of Yahweh…the Father who is the only true God and the Son, Jesus Christ, the only begotten God who is our one Lord. They are never acting solo and should not be thought of as two different gods. They rule together, side by side on the throne, not independently of each other.

 

[mikeboll64]

LU:  The verse is all you need to see that the Father has given HIS name to the Son and they are ONE. That is enough to show the Unity of Yahweh.

What you mean to say is that the verse – IN CERTAIN MSS – is enough to show YOU the “Unity of Yahweh”.  Other mss (the mss considered accurate by Barnes, Gill, Poole, and most other commentators that you and I often rely upon) have “those you have given me”.

Among the commentators who accept the “name you have given me” mss, the vast majority don’t think it means God’s literal name.  Just like when Jesus says, “I have made your name known to them” (John 17:26), he is not talking about God’s literal name.

Kathi, do YOU think the word “name” in John 17:26 refers to God’s literal name?

I also posted this verse before…

Exodus 23:20-22… Behold, I am sending an angel before you… Pay attention to him….since My Name is in him… If you will listen carefully to his voice and do everything I say, I will be an enemy to your enemies… 

Kathi, do you think the word “name” in this passage refers to God’s literal name?  Does this passage (especially the part where it is the angel’s voice, but God saying stuff) means this angel of God is also a part of the “Yahweh Unity”?

[Lightenup]

John 3:16

“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

John 17:5 “Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

Mike, I’ve been answering a lot of questions for you but you do not answer my questions. Is Jesus the only begotten Son of God in John 3:16?

Also, Mike can you call Jesus your God and Savior?

[Lightenup]

Mike,

You said:

Exodus 23:20-22… Behold, I am sending an angel before you… Pay attention to him….since My Name is in him… If you will listen carefully to his voice and do everything I say, I will be an enemy to your enemies…

Kathi, do you think the word “name” in this passage refers to God’s literal name?

Without researching the passage, angel names such as Gabriel, Michael, Raphael, all have “el” in them which is one of God’s literal names.

[mikeboll64]

Mike:  Do you also agree with me that it’s silly to think that a bonafide member of the Most High God will rule from the throne of one of the Most High God’s servants?

 

LU: A bonafide member of the Unity of Yahweh emptied Himself to become a bondservant to make propitiation of sin for the entire world and after He did that, He regained all He had emptied Himself of and gained more. He sits on the throne next to the other bonafide member of the Unity of Yahweh and currently has all authority in heaven and on earth…That’s Biblical.

Is it more accurate to say that Jesus has all the authority that his and our God, Yahweh, has given him?  Yes or No, please?

Also, you didn’t actually answer my question.  Let me rephrase in light of your response…  Do you think it is silly for a “bonafide member of the Unity of Yahweh” to rule from the throne of a SERVANT OF the “Unity of Yahweh”?

I’m just wondering why you think one member would rule from a bonafide “Unity of Yahweh” throne, while the other (who had already regained everything he had and more) rules from the throne of a SERVANT OF the “Unity of Yahweh” – instead of from a different “Unity of Yahweh” throne.

[Lightenup]

Mike,

Please answer my two questions before I continue answering your questions.

Here they are, for your convenience:

Mike, I’ve been answering a lot of questions for you but you do not answer my questions. Is Jesus the only begotten Son of God in John 3:16?

Also, Mike can you call Jesus your God and Savior?

[mikeboll64]

Kathi, I HAVE BEEN answering ALL of your questions.  YOU are the one who has a dozen of them waiting for you.  I’ve answered your “only begotten son” question 3 different times, each time trying to align my answer to the new things you claim in your response.  Maybe go back and read the previous page of this thread and catch up since you’ve been absent for a while.  And while you’re there, look around for any of your questions that haven’t been thoroughly addressed by me – and compare them to all of my questions that haven’t yet been adequately addressed by you.

I’m likely done for the night, but will be back as soon as I can.

[Lightenup]

Mike, you have only answered my questions with questions.

Please clearly answer my questions with a yes or no.

Mike, I’ve been answering a lot of questions for you but you do not answer my questions. Is Jesus the only begotten Son of God in John 3:16?

Also, Mike can you call Jesus your God and Savior?

No more answers from me till you answer those two questions.

[Berean]

Hi LU

You

For us there is one God team or Godhead, the Unity of Yahweh…the Father who is the only true God and the Son, Jesus Christ, the only begotten God who is our one Lord. They are never acting solo and should not be thought of as two different gods. They rule together, side by side on the throne, not independently of each other. 

Me

why not use the very terms of the bible?

God bless

[Lightenup]

Hi Berean,

Thanks for your question? Please specify which terms that I use that, according to you, do not convey Biblical concepts.

Thanks, LU

 

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