The word is really the holyspirit

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 18 2011,02:46)

Georg…………How is this any different then what i just posted. Did Jesus not say “THE WORDS I AM TELLING YOU (ARE) SPIRIT AND (ARE) LIFE.

Did Jesus not say the words i am telling you (ARE NOT) (MY) (WORDS) BUT THE WORDS OF (HIM) WHO SENT ME?.

Did Jesus not say, ” THE SON OF MAN COULD DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF , BUT THE FATHER (IN) ME DOES THE WORKS”.

what part of those scriptures you don't understand Georg , What you have posted does not disagree with what i said Georg. If so please so me where it does then.

peace and love……………………………………gene

I think what throw me was your “intellect”; you have a problem calling God's Holy Spirit, his mind, don't you, why? Paul didn't.

Phl 2:5 ¶ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Georg

January 17, 2011 at 9:08 pm#233515

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 18 2011,02:46)

Georg…………How is this any different then what i just posted. Did Jesus not say “THE WORDS I AM TELLING YOU (ARE) SPIRIT AND (ARE) LIFE.

Did Jesus not say the words i am telling you (ARE NOT) (MY) (WORDS) BUT THE WORDS OF (HIM) WHO SENT ME?.

Did Jesus not say, ” THE SON OF MAN COULD DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF , BUT THE FATHER (IN) ME DOES THE WORKS”.

what part of those scriptures you don't understand Georg , What you have posted does not disagree with what i said Georg. If so please so me where it does then.

peace and love……………………………………gene

I think what throw me was your “intellect”; you have a problem calling God's Holy Spirit, his mind, don't you, why? Paul didn't.

Phl 2:5 ¶ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Georg

Hi Georg,

You make a very good point, and speaking of points,
the “HolySpirit” is also called the “finger” of God.
So now we know that both God's mind and
God's finger are the “HolySpirit”. What
does John 4:24 & Acts 5:3-4 tell us?

John 4:24 God is Spirit: and they that worship
him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Acts 5:3-4 3: But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the HolySpirit,
and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own?
and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived
this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

January 18, 2011 at 12:29 am#233553

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 18 2011,02:46)

Georg…………How is this any different then what i just posted. Did Jesus not say “THE WORDS I AM TELLING YOU (ARE) SPIRIT AND (ARE) LIFE.

Did Jesus not say the words i am telling you (ARE NOT) (MY) (WORDS) BUT THE WORDS OF (HIM) WHO SENT ME?.

Did Jesus not say, ” THE SON OF MAN COULD DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF , BUT THE FATHER (IN) ME DOES THE WORKS”.

what part of those scriptures you don't understand Georg , What you have posted does not disagree with what i said Georg. If so please so me where it does then.

peace and love……………………………………gene

I think what throw me was your “intellect”; you have a problem calling God's Holy Spirit, his mind, don't you, why? Paul didn't.

Phl 2:5 ¶ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Georg

Hi Georg,

John 4:24 God is Spirit: and they that worship
him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

So what you're saying is, God has ten holy spirits, unless you don't count the thumbs, then it would make it eight.

Ananias was talking to Peter, are you suggesting Peter was the holy spirit? besides, Peter said, you lied not unto men but unto God. So who did he lied to, God, or the Holy Spirit?

Jesus was talking to the woman by the well, a pagan; pagan used to make an image of their god , and worshiped that image.
Jesus said that the true God is a spirit, he is invisible, you don't need an image, you worship him in spirit, in your mind, and in truth.

Georg

January 18, 2011 at 1:19 am#233569

GeneBalthrop

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Georg…………..I use Intellect, you use mind, Some thoughts, but it is all produced by what we called Spirit. I put intellect next to spirit to force the text to be clearer, because many think Spirit is a PERSON or Angel of some kind. But i do agree it (spirit) is in the Mind. And (IT) Gods Spirit (intellect) was definitely (IN) Jesus' MIND, God is SPIRIT and can dwell (IN) Minds. (intellect is just a descriptor or our minds to me.

peace and love…………………………………………..gene

January 18, 2011 at 1:28 am#233571

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 18 2011,11:19)

peace and love…………………………………………..gene

The problem with you is, when some one says “spirit body” you think it has to be like our body.
What do you think spirit beings, angels, devils, are? why would you even try to describe a spirit being? why are they called spirit? spirits are invisible, trying to tell us what they are made of, only makes you look foolish.
Jesus told Nicodemus they are like the air, like the wind, so what does that tell you; you can't see them.
To deny their existence, is to deny scripture, and doing that, you're not hurting my feelings.

Georg

January 18, 2011 at 3:28 am#233586

terraricca

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 18 2011,08:20)

Georg…………..It is the message , the same applies to Jesus , the Spirit produces the WORDS (intelligent utterance) and the words spoken ARE SPIRIT, NOT the person speaking those word, This applies to Jesus also, Just as it does to anyone else, rather angel or man makes no difference, it is still the Spirit (intellect) of GOD producing those words in the person. God who (IS) Spirit was indeed (IN) JESUS and works in all and through all his Childern and Creation. IMO

peace and love……………………………………….gene

gene

Ps 51:11 Do not cast me from your presence
or take your Holy Spirit from me.
Isa 63:10 Yet they rebelled
and grieved his Holy Spirit.
So he turned and became their enemy
and he himself fought against them.
Isa 63:11 Then his people recalled the days of old,
the days of Moses and his people—
where is he who brought them through the sea,
with the shepherd of his flock?
Where is he who set
his Holy Spirit among them,

here they say the holy spirit among them,;so ??

Isa 63:10 Yet they rebelled
and grieved his Holy Spirit. ;;;so now he is grieved

Mt 3:11 “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit

now you can get baptize with it ?

Mk 3:29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.”

now you can sin against it .??

Lk 1:67 His father Zechariah was filled with the Holy Spirit and prophesied:

now you can be filled with it ,?

Lk 2:25 Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him.

now it is upon a person,???

Lk 12:12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say.”

now it teaches you,???

Ac 1:16 and said, “Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through the mouth of David

now it can make you say things,???

Ac 5:3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit

now you can lie to it ,?

Ac 10:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit

now God anointed with it ,??

Ac 13:4 The two of them, sent on their way by the Holy Spirit

now he is guiding people,?

Ac 15:28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:

now it make decission,?

They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”

now it is not given to all to know it ,???

well this is what it does so do you know what it is

January 18, 2011 at 4:48 am#233595

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Quote (gollamudi @ Jan. 17 2011,21:01)

I mean 'ha dabar'.

Shalom Adam,

דָּבָר: (dâ-bâr) da-bar; because of, advice, answer, book, portion + power, ect. ect.

Does this not sound like a description of the (roo'-âkh hä kō'-dĕsh) [ר֫וּחַ ה קֹ֫דֶשׁ] “The HolySpirit”?

B'Shem
YHVH

Sorry I could not get you.
Adam

January 18, 2011 at 4:53 am#233596

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peace and love……………………………………….gene

Jhn 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

Jhn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Jhn 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Jhn 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Jhn 17:8 For I have given unto them the “”words”” which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

Jhn 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath “”taught me””, I speak these things.

You were saying?

Georg

Good compilation of verses to support Jesus' words as God's words. I wonder what does it mean to say that 'word became flesh' if Jesus was speaking God's words than his own? I think he is a mere spokesperson rather I can say he is the mouth of God.

Peace to you
Adam

January 18, 2011 at 11:33 am#233617

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peace and love……………………………………….gene

Jhn 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

Jhn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Jhn 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Jhn 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

You were saying?

Georg

Peace to you
Adam

You are quite right, the apostle John is the only one referring to Jesus as the WORD, because Jesus had told them, he only speaks what the Father told him to say. He had also told them, NO ONE, at any time had heard the Father, or seen his form. In other words, everything that was spoken in the OT, was either spoken by the son, or an angel. The son was the “spokesman” for the Father, he was the “word” of God, and of course he was “with” God, and the “WORD” or WORDS” were God's words.

Georg

January 18, 2011 at 1:04 pm#233619

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Peace to you
Adam[/quote]
You are quite right, the apostle John is the only one referring to Jesus as the WORD, because Jesus had told them, he only speaks what the Father told him to say. He had also told them, NO ONE, at any time had heard the Father, or seen his form. In other words, everything that was spoken in the OT, was either spoken by the son, or an angel. The son was the “spokesman” for the Father, he was the “word” of God, and of course he was “with” God, and the “WORD” or WORDS” were God's words.

Georg

Hi brother Georg,
You are right as long as you don't claim that Son has spoken in the O.T on behalf of God. Writer of Hebrew doesn't agree with that claim as per Heb 1:1 Where he claims that Son only spoken in these last days. If Jesus spoke God's words how can he be God also? God's words are from God and belong to God and are God as per John 1:1. I don't think 'word' was another person who was with God in the beginning. So far we are talking about impersonal words of God than a personal being as many claim here. I asked you how could word become flesh when the flesh (Jesus) only spoke God's word? This is the confusion created by the writer of Fourth Gospel. Please think over.

Peace to you
Adam

January 18, 2011 at 2:41 pm#233622

GeneBalthrop

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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 18 2011,13:28)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 18 2011,08:20)

peace and love……………………………………….gene

gene

here they say the holy spirit among them,;so ??

Isa 63:10 Yet they rebelled
and grieved his Holy Spirit. ;;;so now he is grieved

Mt 3:11 “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit

now you can get baptize with it ?

Mk 3:29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.”

now you can sin against it .??

Lk 1:67 His father Zechariah was filled with the Holy Spirit and prophesied:

now you can be filled with it ,?

Lk 2:25 Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him.

now it is upon a person,???

Lk 12:12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say.”

now it teaches you,???

Ac 1:16 and said, “Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through the mouth of David

now it can make you say things,???

Ac 5:3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit

now you can lie to it ,?

Ac 10:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit

now God anointed with it ,??

Ac 13:4 The two of them, sent on their way by the Holy Spirit

now he is guiding people,?

Ac 15:28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:

now it make decission,?

They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”

now it is not given to all to know it ,???

well this is what it does so do you know what it is

Terricca…………..Right and everything you quoted deals with the Mind which is the intellect of a person. So where is that any different to what i have been saying all along, and none of the is showing a person or Being of any kind. God is SPIRIT Spirit is not a being it is a MIND composed of Intellects IN THE BEING.

This is the point of all of this discussion on spirit it is to identify (IT) in a simple way so we all can come to a clearer understand of what Spirit IS, Is it a Person? ,(NO) it is what is (IN) a Person, There is Spirit (intellect) (IN) Man, There is also GODS SPIRIT (intellect) that can exist (IN) Man, or Angels . It was GOD'S Spirit which was the ANOINTING SPIRIT following the childern of Israel in the wilderness, working through Men and Angles, it was not the Man or Preexisting Jesus. This is why it is so important we fully understand what Spirit really Is , because it will dispel all these false teachings about Jesus and Satan , God, and many other things as well. IMO

peace and Love…………………………….gene

January 18, 2011 at 5:30 pm#233638

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Peace to you
Adam

Georg[/quote]
Hi brother Georg,
You are right as long as you don't claim that Son has spoken in the O.T on behalf of God. Writer of Hebrew doesn't agree with that claim as per Heb 1:1 Where he claims that Son only spoken in these last days. If Jesus spoke God's words how can he be God also? God's words are from God and belong to God and are God as per John 1:1. I don't think 'word' was another person who was with God in the beginning. So far we are talking about impersonal words of God than a personal being as many claim here. I asked you how could word become flesh when the flesh (Jesus) only spoke God's word? This is the confusion created by the writer of Fourth Gospel. Please think over.

Peace to you
Adam

Adam

In the OT God spoke to men “through” the prophets, just as Hebrew 1:1 says.

Hbr 1:1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

The last days are the three and a half years Jesus was proclaiming the good news himself.

Hbr 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

How many prophets begin with, “Thus says the LORD; The word of the LORD came to me; Thus saith the LORD God;”
In Ex. you read many times, “and God said to Moses”, but it was never God him self that spoke.
The writer of Hebrew also says, that through the son he created the all things, that shows his son was there; what about these scriptures?

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

If Jesus came into being when he was born of Mary, how can he be the first of “ALL” creation?
how can he be the “beginning” of God;'s creation?

Rev 3:14 ¶ And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Georg

January 18, 2011 at 5:50 pm#233642

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Adam

In the OT God spoke to men “through” the prophets, just as Hebrew 1:1 says.

Hbr 1:1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

The last days are the three and a half years Jesus was proclaiming the good news himself.

Hbr 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

If Jesus came into being when he was born of Mary, how can he be the first of “ALL” creation?
how can he be the “beginning” of God;'s creation?

Rev 3:14 ¶ And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Georg

All those verses you quoted from NT are not supported by Hebrew Bible. No where in the O.T it is told that Son was speaking to Israelites. 'Word of Yahweh' certainly no other being which came through prophets as impersonal God's word but not as another being as many claim here. Christianity made mess of those metaphors of Jewish titles and used them for ontological claims for Jesus as if he was involved in God's lone creation. How can you support such illogical claims of NT writers from Hebrew Bible? No Jew ever claimed that their Messiah was involved in God's creation let alone preexistence for him. I am sorry we are deviating from the Topic “word as Holy spirit”.

Peace to you
Adam

February 5, 2011 at 8:54 pm#235452

Paladin

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To All,

These are the verses that PROVE “The Word” is REALLY The HolySpirit”!

Zech.4:6
Zech.12:1

Matt.13:19
Mark 4:14
Mark13:11
Mark 13:19
Luke 3:2
Luke 8:11
John 12:49
John 14:24
John 17:6-8
John 17:14
Acts 4:31
Acts 10:36-38
Acts 10:44
Acts 11:15-16
Acts 13:4-5
Acts 13:47-49
Acts 17:11
Acts 20:32
Romans 9:5-6
Romans 10:17
1Cor. 12:8-9
1Cor. 14:36
2Cor. 5:19
2Cor. 6:6-7
Gal.6:6
Eph. 1:12-13
Eph. 5:26
Eph. 6:17
Phillip.2:16
1Tm.5:17-18
2Tm.2:11-15
2Tm.4:2
Hebrews 1:1-2
Hebrews 2:2-3
Hebrews 4:2-6
Hebrews 4:8-12
Hebrews 5:13-14
Hebrews 7:28
Hebrews 11:3
Hebrews 12:19
James 1:18
1Peter 1:21-23
1Peter 2:6-8
1John 2:7-10
Rev.1:2
Rev.1:9
Rev.19:11-16
Rev.20:4

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Well, I have just spent the best part of fifteen minutes perusing the thread to see if anyone knows the meaning of “the word” with reference to such a statement “The Holy SPirit is the word of God.”

In reading down your list of referents, I see among others, Eph 6:17, but it is mixed with many scriptures having a diffrerent reference to “the word.”

There are two Greek words that are translated into English
“word” but they are different in a major way. There is “logos” of John 1:1 and many other references in both testaments.

Then there is “reema” of Col 6:17 and many other references in both testaments. Paul tells us in Col 6:17 that the Spirit is the reema of God. John 1:1 tells us that the ho logos was theos.

It helps to understand that the logos is the concept about which the reema is written. Look to Exo 19:6-9; 20:1-26; and 34:27 for an example as to how both are used in the same context. It seems to me the logos is the idea or concept that is expressed either in logos or reema, but reema is the written account. I am not dogmatic about this because there is room for more study in the use of the words themselves.

Since in John 1:1 tells us ho logos was with theon, and was theos; and theos became not God [John 1:14] and theos did not; we begin to understand why John said “ho logos was theos” and never in all of scripture are we told “the logos is theos.” The simple fact is, ho logos changed; theos did not.

Then consider, we are told by Paul “For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.” [Rom 15:4]

Jesus promised he would send “another comforter.” [John 14:16]

When the Holy Spirit inspired the new testament authors to write the authentic account of the new covenant between God's people, and God, He put himself fully into it so that he abides within the pages of Holy Writ, and Himself is the reema of God.

Look to Eph 6:17 for a moment, where Paul tells us ” And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:”

I always looked to “sword” as the word modified by “which” as in “which is the reema of God.” But closer examination shows this to be doctrine and not scripture. “which” is neuter singular, therefore modifies a neuter singular noun. “Sword” is feminine singular, but spirit is neuter singular; therefore Paul is telling us the Spiriti is “the word [reema] of God.”

The “logos of God” is a concept in the mind of God that is expressed first in the preaching of Paul, and finally personified in the lives of the saints. Watch as Paul explains what “the logos of God” is, and proceeds to preach it to the whole world. Look at the concistancy of the words in bold. And John verifies Paul's applicaitoin of terminology.

In 48 a.d. paul wrote: “I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.” [Gal 2:20]

“My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,” [Gal 4:19]

In 55 a.d. Paul wrote: “Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?” [II Cor 13:5]

In 60 a.d. Paul wrote that he had preached to the whole world: “If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; 24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:” [Col 1:23-24]

And that he was given a mission to “fully preach' (fulfill) the logos of God: “Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the logos of God; 26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:” [Col 1:25-27]

Upon an occasion, God placed his word above his own name; [Psa 138:2]

Then Jesus was given a name which is above every name; [Phil 2:9]

In 69 a.d. John tells us of a new (kainon) name which is to be given to resurrected Jesus: “Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.” [Rev 3:12] [That word “kainon” means “New, not previously known”]

“His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The logos [Word] of God.” [Rev 19:12-13]

In 85 a.d. John wrote: “Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in flesh is of God:” [In this verse John uses (eleeluthota perfect active accusative masculine singular form of the verb participle erxomai) The use of the perfect active participle is to show the continuing result in an active way, of Christ coming in flesh of the saints; i.e., the personification of the logos of God.

“For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.” II John 7][This time john uses (erxomenon present middle or pass deponent accusative masculine singular form of verb participle erxomai) to show the ongoing effect of Christ in flesh as saints give over control of their life to Jesus.

So we have the scriptures clarification of the difference between “the logos of God” and “The reema of God” both of which are “the word of God.” The Spirit is the reema of God, while the logos was God, and was personified in the lives of the saints, according to the scriptures.

February 5, 2011 at 11:39 pm#235466

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Hi Paladin,

Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation,
and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

There are not many here interested in studying together.
I believe “ho Logos” is the entirety of “The Word”,
while “Rhema” is segments written or spoken.
The “sword” would be “Rhema” of course.
Glad you're here! Please continue!
Look closely at 1Peter1:10-12.

1Peter1:10-12 Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently,
who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what
manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified
beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Unto whom
it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things,
which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you
with the HolySpirit sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

Acts12:24 …”The Word” ([ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs) of God grew and multiplied.
Mark 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought
beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall
be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the HolySpirit.
Luke 12:12 For the HolySpirit shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.
Matt.10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That
man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
Mathew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man
shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that
proceedeth out of “The Mouth of God” (YHVH).

John 1:1…
In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.

I have lined “Bible Truth”=117 up to help you to better
understand “Our YHVH”=117; the God of our fathers.

English ↔ Hebrew ↔ Greek
“Word of God” ↔ “God” ↔ “The Word”
“Word of God”(86) = (אלהים](86] = [ο λογος](86)th Prime Hō Lōgôs
YHVH(63) = ĔL-ō-Hêêm(63) = The Bible(63)
Spirit of God(117) = (117)יהוה האלהים = Bible Truth(117)

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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Quote (Paladin @ Feb. 06 2011,06:54)

Hi Paladin,

Understand “Rev.19:11-21” is talking about The “HolySpirit”.

“Father: The Word“ = “HolySpirit“
Isaiah means: (YHVH=63) “Ya is Savior”
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Isaiah 63:2-10 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel(Jer.4:30), and thy garments like him
that treadeth in the winefat? I (HolySpirit) have trodden the winepress alone (Rev.19:15);
and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample
them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments(Rev.19:13), and I will
stain all my raiment. For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.
And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine
own arm brought salvation unto me(Job.40:10-14); and my fury, it upheld me. And I will tread down the
people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength(Ez.28:9) to
the earth. I will mention the lovingkindnesses of the LORD, and the praises of the LORD, according to
all that the LORD hath bestowed on us, and the great goodness toward the house of Israel, which
he hath bestowed on them according to his mercies, and according to the multitude of his loving-
kindnesses. For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Savior.
In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his
pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old. But they rebelled, and
vexed his HolySpirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he(HolySpirit) fought against them.

Does this information help? (Mark 4:12) Consider also Rev.4:5-6 and Zech.3:9…

Revelation 4:5-6 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices:
and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne,
and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.

Zech.3:9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua(Jesus); upon one
stone(Rev.2:17) shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof,
saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 27:4-5)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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