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The word *God* is not a name;it is a title.
The word allah is also not a name;its a title.
Satan is also a god,his princes are also gods.
For gods there are many.
The true God, is he that created all things,and his name Jehovah/Lord of host,for he has more than one name.Christians worship God the creator of all things in heaven and on earth.
Muslems worship god(allah);but which god?
This allah can be any of those gods.They say: we worship the God of Abraham,Isaac, and Jacob. *If* this is true;than that God would be Jehovah the Lord of host.
But: yes, but; the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
The Lord of host,has a *begotten* son; and allah has no *begotten* son,so its obvious that they are not the same god.A false god can always *claim* that he is the creator of all things;and we know that they are liars.
Worshipping a god of lies,produces lying children.
We can see them by their fruits.The god allah was only introduced to a group of people
1400 years ago by just the*one man* mohamad*; *claiming* ,he is the god of Abraham.Mohamad was alone;he has no witnesses.No prophets,no jesus,no apostles for a witness.Anyone can *claim* anything;the fact is that this allah has no *begotten* son, and has *No* 12 appointed apostles,and dont have the old prophets,
to *teach us* the gospels,and also the old prophesies.And allah never showed his love for the world, by giving his only begotten Son. Allah thinks a sacrifice is not necessary; we see two opposites here.
Allah teaches that all must go straight to him.
Jehovah teaches that we must go through his Son,
of whom he had appointed messiah, from of old.Its clear that Jehovah God is *not* allah. Allah is *a god*; but not Jehovah God. For they are of two different spirits.
Jehovah God sits with his son,in heaven.
Allah sits alone, in his domain.As we can see that Jehovah, the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob is *not* allah.
The *claim* is not justified,therefore it is a false claim.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 05 2013,15:13) The word *God* is not a name;it is a title.
The word allah is also not a name;its a title.
Satan is also a god,his princes are also gods.
For gods there are many.
The true God, is he that created all things,and his name Jehovah/Lord of host,for he has more than one name.Christians worship God the creator of all things in heaven and on earth.
Muslems worship god(allah);but which god?
This allah can be any of those gods.They say: we worship the God of Abraham,Isaac, and Jacob. *If* this is true;than that God would be Jehovah the Lord of host.
But: yes, but; the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
The Lord of host,has a *begotten* son; and allah has no *begotten* son,so its obvious that they are not the same god.A false god can always *claim* that he is the creator of all things;and we know that they are liars.
Worshipping a god of lies,produces lying children.
We can see them by their fruits.The god allah was only introduced to a group of people
1400 years ago by just the*one man* mohamad*; *claiming* ,he is the god of Abraham.Mohamad was alone;he has no witnesses.No prophets,no jesus,no apostles for a witness.Anyone can *claim* anything;the fact is that this allah has no *begotten* son, and has *No* 12 appointed apostles,and dont have the old prophets,
to *teach us* the gospels,and also the old prophesies.And allah never showed his love for the world, by giving his only begotten Son. Allah thinks a sacrifice is not necessary; we see two opposites here.
Allah teaches that all must go straight to him.
Jehovah teaches that we must go through his Son,
of whom he had appointed messiah, from of old.Its clear that Jehovah God is *not* allah. Allah is *a god*; but not Jehovah God. For they are of two different spirits.
Jehovah God sits with his son,in heaven.
Allah sits alone, in his domain.As we can see that Jehovah, the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob is *not* allah.
The *claim* is not justified,therefore it is a false claim.wakeup.
Your entire post is invalidated by the fact that Abraham, Noah, Adam, Isaac and Jacob never heard of Jehovah.Exodus 6:3
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
3 and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
The name ALLAH is not the same as the generic term “God” an it is NEVER used plurally there are no “ALLAHS” it is a proper name which is also a title of th Nature of HIS BEING. No other being is worthy to be called ALLAH HE IS “THE GOD” There is none else.
Can you show me a single verse where God says a sacrifice of his son is needed? Jesus says the OPPOSITE:
Matthew 12:7
But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.Jesus is in heaven and will return ut he was taken up by ALLAH ALIVE:
Behold! Allah said: “O jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #55)
bodhitharta is right, Jehovah is a very recent name for God.
There is only One God and his subordinate Sons in whom he is personified. If one of those Sons rebels against the rule of the Universal Father within their hearts, like Lucifer and Satan, they are no longer subordinate Sons but rebels with very limited power and no authority.
The foolishness and lie of Lucifer was that he could ever be a God at all, that's undoable……although, had Lucifer remained loyal to his Sonship, many of the powers and glory he sought would have eventually been bestowed upon him anyway.
The very idea that Satan could ever be a God IS his greatest lie. People who honor Satan by the belief that he is a God are believers of his lie.
He was ultimately discredited by the God revealing life of Jesus and subsequently defeated. Satan is gone, only the wreckage of his folly remains to sort out on earth.
Finally, Jesus has ALWAYS been “the way” to the Universal Father. He is not a “new way” that did not exist from the beginning of his created world.
Colter
Boditharta.
QUOTE:
Your entire post is invalidated by the fact that Abraham, Noah, Adam, Isaac and Jacob never heard of Jehovah.
UNQUOTE:
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NOT SO: ABRAHAM ISAAC AND JACOB KNEW GOD ALMIGHTY THE CREATOR, EVEN IF THEY DID NOT KNOW HIS NAME.
—————————————————————–QUOTE:
Exodus 6:3
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
3 and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
UNQUOTE:—————————————————————– THEY KNEW THE TRUE GOD,BUT NOT HIS NAME.
THE MUSLEMS; ALSO DONT KNOW
GODS NAME WHICH IS JEHOVAH.
THEY WORSHIP THE GOD ALLAH,WHICH IS NOT A HEBREW NAME.ABRAHAM DID NOT WORSHIP ALLAH.ALLAH *DID NOT* PROMISE ABRAHAM THE LAND OF THE CANANITES. ALLAH *DID NOT* PROPMISE ABRAHAM WITH MANY CHILDREN AS THE STARS IN HEAVEN.
ALLAH *DID NOT* PROMISE THAT IN ABRAHAM SEED SHALL THE EARTH BE BLESED.
—————————————————————–
QUOTE:
The name ALLAH is not the same as the generic term “God” an it is NEVER used plurally there are no “ALLAHS” it is a proper name which is also a title of th Nature of HIS BEING. No other being is worthy to be called ALLAH HE IS “THE GOD” There is none else.
UNQUOTE:
—————————————————————–
THIS IS ANOTHER PROOF THAT ALLAH IS NOT JEHOVAH
FOR JEHOVAH IS NOT SINGULAR,BUT PLURAL.
SAMPLE: LET *US* MAKE MAN IN *OUR* IMAGE.
BEHOLD,THEY HAVE BECOME LIKE **ONE OF US**.
ALLAH *OF ISLAM* IS THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD OF THE MUSLEMS, I AGREE.
THERE IS NO OTHER GOD BUT ALLAH, I AGREE,THIS IS WHAT MUSLEMS BELIEVE.ALLAH IS THEIR GOD.
—————————————————————–Can you show me a single verse where God says a sacrifice of his son is needed? Jesus says the OPPOSITE:
—————————————————————–ARE YOU SERIOUS? GO AND MEDITATE ON PSALMS 22.
ALL ABOUT JESUS DIYING ON THE CROSS FOR YOU ALSO.
—————————————————————–Matthew 12:7
But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.—————————————————————–
ITS OF NO USE TO QUOTE SCRIPTURES OUT OF CONTEXT. JESUS WAS SPEAKING OF THE JEWS SACRIFICING, BUT NOT HAVING MERCY FOR HIS FELLOW MAN.HE WAS NOT SPEAKING OF *HIS* SACRIFICE.
FOR HE SACRIFICED HIMSELF,AND *ALSO* HAVE MERCY
FOR HIS FELLOW MAN. **GOD FORGIVE THEM,FOR THEY DONT KNOW WHAT THEY DO**. THIS IS MERCY.
—————————————————————–Jesus is in heaven and will return ut he was taken up by ALLAH ALIVE:
—————————————————————–
THIS IS ALSO NOT IN THE BIBLE.
THIS IS ONLY IN THE QUR'AN,ALLAH'S BOOK.
THE QUR'AN IS NOT THE HOLY BIBLE.
THERFORE THE WORD OF GOD(JEHOVAH) IS NOT THE QUR'AN. THE QUR'AN IS THE WORD OF THE PROPHET MOHAMAD; AND HE IS THE ONE AND ONLY WITNESS TO THE QUR'AN. THE QUR'AN HAS NO PROPHETS NOR APOSTLES FOR A WITNESS.
MUSLEMS MUST JUST RELY ON THE WITNESS OF ONE MAN.
—————————————————————–
Behold! Allah said: “O jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.—————————————————————–
I AGREE WITH THE ABOVE; BUT THOSE ARE MOHAMADS WORDS; NOT THE WORD OF GOD.
—————————————————————–( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #55)
—————————————————————–
WE HAVE TWO BOOKS HERE TO CONSIDER,*NOT ONE*.
1.THE HOLY BIBLE,THE WORD OF GOD,THROUGH THE PROPHETS; HIS SON JESUS; AND THE APOSTLES. ALL WITNESSING THE SAME WORD.2.THE QUR'AN, THE WORD OF ALLAH THROUGH MOHAMAD;THE ONE AND ONLY WITNESS TO THE QUR'AN.ISLAM IS BASED ON THE ONE WITNESS.
AS YOU KNOW THAT WE NEED MORE THAN JUST ONE WITNESS TO A CASE.
wakeup.
Jehovah was unknown until 1520 when it was introduced by Galatinus, who defended its use.
In English it appeared in William Tyndale's translation of the Pentateuch (“The Five Books of Moses”),[28] published in 1530 in Germany, where Tyndale had studied since 1524, possibly in one or more of the universities at Wittenberg, Worms and Marburg, where Hebrew was taught.[29] The spelling used by Tyndale was “Iehouah”; at that time, “I” was not distinguished from J, and U was not distinguished from V.[30] The original 1611 printing of the Authorized King James Version used “Iehovah”. Tyndale wrote about the divine name: “IEHOUAH [Jehovah], is God's name; neither is any creature so called; and it is as much to say as, One that is of himself, and dependeth of nothing. Moreover, as oft as thou seest LORD in great letters (except there be any error in the printing), it is in Hebrew Iehouah, Thou that art; or, He that is.”[31] The name is also found in a 1651 edition of Ramón Martí's Pugio fidei.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 06 2013,01:31) Jehovah as a name Jehovah was unknown until 1520 when it was introduced by Galatinus, who defended its use.
In English it appeared in William Tyndale's translation of the Pentateuch (“The Five Books of Moses”),[28] published in 1530 in Germany, where Tyndale had studied since 1524, possibly in one or more of the universities at Wittenberg, Worms and Marburg, where Hebrew was taught.[29] The spelling used by Tyndale was “Iehouah”; at that time, “I” was not distinguished from J, and U was not distinguished from V.[30] The original 1611 printing of the Authorized King James Version used “Iehovah”. Tyndale wrote about the divine name: “IEHOUAH [Jehovah], is God's name; neither is any creature so called; and it is as much to say as, One that is of himself, and dependeth of nothing. Moreover, as oft as thou seest LORD in great letters (except there be any error in the printing), it is in Hebrew Iehouah, Thou that art; or, He that is.”[31] The name is also found in a 1651 edition of Ramón Martí's Pugio fidei.
Colter
Colter.You are so obsessed with the urantia,
and can not see the truth.Genesis 22:14 And Abraham called the name of that place *Jehovahjireh*: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.
Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name *JEHOVAH* was I not known to them.
Exodus 17:15 And Moses built an altar, and called the name of it *Jehovahnissi*:
Judges 6:24 Then Gideon built an altar there unto the LORD, and called it *Jehovahshalom*: unto this day it is yet in Ophrah of the Abiezrites.
Psalms 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is *JEHOVAH*, art the most high over all the earth.
Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the *LORD JEHOVAH* is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
Isaiah 26:4 Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the *LORD JEHOVAH* is everlasting strength:
quote:
Jehovah was unknown until 1520 when it was introduced by Galatinus, who defended its use.unquote.Are you serious?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 06 2013,02:23) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 06 2013,01:31) Jehovah as a name Jehovah was unknown until 1520 when it was introduced by Galatinus, who defended its use.
In English it appeared in William Tyndale's translation of the Pentateuch (“The Five Books of Moses”),[28] published in 1530 in Germany, where Tyndale had studied since 1524, possibly in one or more of the universities at Wittenberg, Worms and Marburg, where Hebrew was taught.[29] The spelling used by Tyndale was “Iehouah”; at that time, “I” was not distinguished from J, and U was not distinguished from V.[30] The original 1611 printing of the Authorized King James Version used “Iehovah”. Tyndale wrote about the divine name: “IEHOUAH [Jehovah], is God's name; neither is any creature so called; and it is as much to say as, One that is of himself, and dependeth of nothing. Moreover, as oft as thou seest LORD in great letters (except there be any error in the printing), it is in Hebrew Iehouah, Thou that art; or, He that is.”[31] The name is also found in a 1651 edition of Ramón Martí's Pugio fidei.
Colter
Colter.You are so obsessed with the urantia,
and can not see the truth.Genesis 22:14 And Abraham called the name of that place *Jehovahjireh*: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.
Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name *JEHOVAH* was I not known to them.
Exodus 17:15 And Moses built an altar, and called the name of it *Jehovahnissi*:
Judges 6:24 Then Gideon built an altar there unto the LORD, and called it *Jehovahshalom*: unto this day it is yet in Ophrah of the Abiezrites.
Psalms 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is *JEHOVAH*, art the most high over all the earth.
Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the *LORD JEHOVAH* is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
Isaiah 26:4 Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the *LORD JEHOVAH* is everlasting strength:
quote:
Jehovah was unknown until 1520 when it was introduced by Galatinus, who defended its use.unquote.Are you serious?
wakeup.
Jehovah is a Latin translation.Wiki:
“Jehovah” at Exodus 6:3
(1611 King James Version)Jehovah /dʒɨˈhoʊvə/ is a Latinization of the Hebrew יְהֹוָה, a vocalization of the Tetragrammaton יהוה (YHWH), the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible, which has also been transcribed as “Yehowah” or “Yahweh”.[1][2]יְהֹוָה appears 6,518 times in the traditional Masoretic Text, in addition to 305 instances of יֱהֹוִה (Jehovih).[3] The earliest available Latin text to use a vocalization similar to Jehovah dates from the 13th century.[4]
Most scholars believe “Jehovah” to be a late (c. 1100 CE) hybrid form derived by combining the Latin letters JHVH with the vowels of Adonai, but there is some evidence that it may already have been in use in Late Antiquity (5th century).[5][6] The consensus among scholars is that the historical vocalization of the Tetragrammaton at the time of the redaction of the Torah (6th century BCE) is most likely Yahweh, however there is disagreement. The historical vocalization was lost because in Second Temple Judaism, during the 3rd to 2nd centuries BCE, the pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton came to be avoided, being substituted with Adonai (“my Lord”).
Gods name is not known.
Colter
JEHOVAH:
“A mispronunciation (introduced by Christian theologians, but almost entirely disregarded by the Jews) of the Hebrew “Yhwh,” the (ineffable) name of God (the Tetragrammaton or “Shem ha-Meforash”). This pronunciation is grammatically impossible; it arose through pronouncing the vowels of the “ḳere” (marginal reading of the Masorites: = “Adonay”) with the consonants of the “ketib” (text-reading: = “Yhwh”)—”Adonay” (the Lord) being substituted with one exception wherever Yhwh occurs in the Biblical and liturgical books. “Adonay” presents the vowels “shewa” (the composite under the guttural א becomes simple under the י), “ḥolem,” and “ḳameẓ,” and these give the reading (= “Jehovah”). Sometimes, when the two names and occur together, the former is pointed with “ḥatef segol” () under the י —thus, (=”Jehovah”)—to indicate that in this combination it is to be pronounced “Elohim” (). These substitutions of “Adonay”and “Elohim” for Yhwh were devised to avoid the profanation of the Ineffable Name (hence is also written , or even , and read “ha-Shem” = “the Name “)………..”
Colter
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 06 2013,00:26) Boditharta. QUOTE:
Your entire post is invalidated by the fact that Abraham, Noah, Adam, Isaac and Jacob never heard of Jehovah.
UNQUOTE:
—————————————————————–
NOT SO: ABRAHAM ISAAC AND JACOB KNEW GOD ALMIGHTY THE CREATOR, EVEN IF THEY DID NOT KNOW HIS NAME.
—————————————————————–QUOTE:
Exodus 6:3
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
3 and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
UNQUOTE:—————————————————————– THEY KNEW THE TRUE GOD,BUT NOT HIS NAME.
THE MUSLEMS; ALSO DONT KNOW
GODS NAME WHICH IS JEHOVAH.
THEY WORSHIP THE GOD ALLAH,WHICH IS NOT A HEBREW NAME.ABRAHAM DID NOT WORSHIP ALLAH.ALLAH *DID NOT* PROMISE ABRAHAM THE LAND OF THE CANANITES. ALLAH *DID NOT* PROPMISE ABRAHAM WITH MANY CHILDREN AS THE STARS IN HEAVEN.
ALLAH *DID NOT* PROMISE THAT IN ABRAHAM SEED SHALL THE EARTH BE BLESED.
—————————————————————–
QUOTE:
The name ALLAH is not the same as the generic term “God” an it is NEVER used plurally there are no “ALLAHS” it is a proper name which is also a title of th Nature of HIS BEING. No other being is worthy to be called ALLAH HE IS “THE GOD” There is none else.
UNQUOTE:
—————————————————————–
THIS IS ANOTHER PROOF THAT ALLAH IS NOT JEHOVAH
FOR JEHOVAH IS NOT SINGULAR,BUT PLURAL.
SAMPLE: LET *US* MAKE MAN IN *OUR* IMAGE.
BEHOLD,THEY HAVE BECOME LIKE **ONE OF US**.
ALLAH *OF ISLAM* IS THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD OF THE MUSLEMS, I AGREE.
THERE IS NO OTHER GOD BUT ALLAH, I AGREE,THIS IS WHAT MUSLEMS BELIEVE.ALLAH IS THEIR GOD.
—————————————————————–Can you show me a single verse where God says a sacrifice of his son is needed? Jesus says the OPPOSITE:
—————————————————————–ARE YOU SERIOUS? GO AND MEDITATE ON PSALMS 22.
ALL ABOUT JESUS DIYING ON THE CROSS FOR YOU ALSO.
—————————————————————–Matthew 12:7
But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.—————————————————————–
ITS OF NO USE TO QUOTE SCRIPTURES OUT OF CONTEXT. JESUS WAS SPEAKING OF THE JEWS SACRIFICING, BUT NOT HAVING MERCY FOR HIS FELLOW MAN.HE WAS NOT SPEAKING OF *HIS* SACRIFICE.
FOR HE SACRIFICED HIMSELF,AND *ALSO* HAVE MERCY
FOR HIS FELLOW MAN. **GOD FORGIVE THEM,FOR THEY DONT KNOW WHAT THEY DO**. THIS IS MERCY.
—————————————————————–Jesus is in heaven and will return ut he was taken up by ALLAH ALIVE:
—————————————————————–
THIS IS ALSO NOT IN THE BIBLE.
THIS IS ONLY IN THE QUR'AN,ALLAH'S BOOK.
THE QUR'AN IS NOT THE HOLY BIBLE.
THERFORE THE WORD OF GOD(JEHOVAH) IS NOT THE QUR'AN. THE QUR'AN IS THE WORD OF THE PROPHET MOHAMAD; AND HE IS THE ONE AND ONLY WITNESS TO THE QUR'AN. THE QUR'AN HAS NO PROPHETS NOR APOSTLES FOR A WITNESS.
MUSLEMS MUST JUST RELY ON THE WITNESS OF ONE MAN.
—————————————————————–
Behold! Allah said: “O jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.—————————————————————–
I AGREE WITH THE ABOVE; BUT THOSE ARE MOHAMADS WORDS; NOT THE WORD OF GOD.
—————————————————————–( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #55)
—————————————————————–
WE HAVE TWO BOOKS HERE TO CONSIDER,*NOT ONE*.
1.THE HOLY BIBLE,THE WORD OF GOD,THROUGH THE PROPHETS; HIS SON JESUS; AND THE APOSTLES. ALL WITNESSING THE SAME WORD.2.THE QUR'AN, THE WORD OF ALLAH THROUGH MOHAMAD;THE ONE AND ONLY WITNESS TO THE QUR'AN.ISLAM IS BASED ON THE ONE WITNESS.
AS YOU KNOW THAT WE NEED MORE THAN JUST ONE WITNESS TO A CASE.
wakeup.
The scriptures don't say tha didn't know the name of God it says they didn't know “that” name. God has more than one name.Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم): “Invoke Allah or invoke the Most Gracious (Allah), by whatever name you invoke Him (it is the same), for to Him belong the best names. And offer your Salat (prayer) neither aloud nor in a low voice, but follow a way between.
( سورة الإسراء , Al-Isra, Chapter #17, Verse #110)
God is not “Hebrew or Jewish he doesn't belong to a religion” God is God and religion is to submit to Him.
I asked for you to show me a SINGLE verse out of the entire Bible where God says he requires the blood or sacrifice of His son and you can never produce such a verse for me.
The scripture does say Mercy is greater than Sacrifice and look what God says DIRECTLY:
Hosea 6:6
For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.The bible is a collection of individual books not one continuous book with co-operating authors but nonetheless the Quran confirms the very witnesses you claim but also clarifies and reveals.
If you read the Quran you know it is from the same God but if you don't of course you will not believe.
I actually feel deep inside God is drawing you to the Quran whether you will heed the call and actually read it, I don't know.
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 06 2013,03:49) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 06 2013,02:23) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 06 2013,01:31) Jehovah as a name Jehovah was unknown until 1520 when it was introduced by Galatinus, who defended its use.
In English it appeared in William Tyndale's translation of the Pentateuch (“The Five Books of Moses”),[28] published in 1530 in Germany, where Tyndale had studied since 1524, possibly in one or more of the universities at Wittenberg, Worms and Marburg, where Hebrew was taught.[29] The spelling used by Tyndale was “Iehouah”; at that time, “I” was not distinguished from J, and U was not distinguished from V.[30] The original 1611 printing of the Authorized King James Version used “Iehovah”. Tyndale wrote about the divine name: “IEHOUAH [Jehovah], is God's name; neither is any creature so called; and it is as much to say as, One that is of himself, and dependeth of nothing. Moreover, as oft as thou seest LORD in great letters (except there be any error in the printing), it is in Hebrew Iehouah, Thou that art; or, He that is.”[31] The name is also found in a 1651 edition of Ramón Martí's Pugio fidei.
Colter
Colter.You are so obsessed with the urantia,
and can not see the truth.Genesis 22:14 And Abraham called the name of that place *Jehovahjireh*: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.
Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name *JEHOVAH* was I not known to them.
Exodus 17:15 And Moses built an altar, and called the name of it *Jehovahnissi*:
Judges 6:24 Then Gideon built an altar there unto the LORD, and called it *Jehovahshalom*: unto this day it is yet in Ophrah of the Abiezrites.
Psalms 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is *JEHOVAH*, art the most high over all the earth.
Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the *LORD JEHOVAH* is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
Isaiah 26:4 Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the *LORD JEHOVAH* is everlasting strength:
quote:
Jehovah was unknown until 1520 when it was introduced by Galatinus, who defended its use.unquote.Are you serious?
wakeup.
Jehovah is a Latin translation.Wiki:
“Jehovah” at Exodus 6:3
(1611 King James Version)Jehovah /dʒɨˈhoʊvə/ is a Latinization of the Hebrew יְהֹוָה, a vocalization of the Tetragrammaton יהוה (YHWH), the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible, which has also been transcribed as “Yehowah” or “Yahweh”.[1][2]יְהֹוָה appears 6,518 times in the traditional Masoretic Text, in addition to 305 instances of יֱהֹוִה (Jehovih).[3] The earliest available Latin text to use a vocalization similar to Jehovah dates from the 13th century.[4]
Most scholars believe “Jehovah” to be a late (c. 1100 CE) hybrid form derived by combining the Latin letters JHVH with the vowels of Adonai, but there is some evidence that it may already have been in use in Late Antiquity (5th century).[5][6] The consensus among scholars is that the historical vocalization of the Tetragrammaton at the time of the redaction of the Torah (6th century BCE) is most likely Yahweh, however there is disagreement. The historical vocalization was lost because in Second Temple Judaism, during the 3rd to 2nd centuries BCE, the pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton came to be avoided, being substituted with Adonai (“my Lord”).
Gods name is not known.
Colter
Colter.Jehovah,yhwh,Iehouah.
Whats the propblem its just a matter of spelling and
pronunciation.
The fact here is that the name was known from the days of the old prophets.
Not only after 1520 ad.wakeup.
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 06 2013,05:18) Jewish Encyclopedia JEHOVAH:
“A mispronunciation (introduced by Christian theologians, but almost entirely disregarded by the Jews) of the Hebrew “Yhwh,” the (ineffable) name of God (the Tetragrammaton or “Shem ha-Meforash”). This pronunciation is grammatically impossible; it arose through pronouncing the vowels of the “ḳere” (marginal reading of the Masorites: = “Adonay”) with the consonants of the “ketib” (text-reading: = “Yhwh”)—”Adonay” (the Lord) being substituted with one exception wherever Yhwh occurs in the Biblical and liturgical books. “Adonay” presents the vowels “shewa” (the composite under the guttural א becomes simple under the י), “ḥolem,” and “ḳameẓ,” and these give the reading (= “Jehovah”). Sometimes, when the two names and occur together, the former is pointed with “ḥatef segol” () under the י —thus, (=”Jehovah”)—to indicate that in this combination it is to be pronounced “Elohim” (). These substitutions of “Adonay”and “Elohim” for Yhwh were devised to avoid the profanation of the Ineffable Name (hence is also written , or even , and read “ha-Shem” = “the Name “)………..”
Colter
Colter.Since you are good in searching the encyclopedia;
tell us what language is the word allah?wakeup.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 06 2013,05:29) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 06 2013,00:26) Boditharta. QUOTE:
Your entire post is invalidated by the fact that Abraham, Noah, Adam, Isaac and Jacob never heard of Jehovah.
UNQUOTE:
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NOT SO: ABRAHAM ISAAC AND JACOB KNEW GOD ALMIGHTY THE CREATOR, EVEN IF THEY DID NOT KNOW HIS NAME.
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Exodus 6:3
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
3 and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
UNQUOTE:—————————————————————– THEY KNEW THE TRUE GOD,BUT NOT HIS NAME.
THE MUSLEMS; ALSO DONT KNOW
GODS NAME WHICH IS JEHOVAH.
THEY WORSHIP THE GOD ALLAH,WHICH IS NOT A HEBREW NAME.ABRAHAM DID NOT WORSHIP ALLAH.ALLAH *DID NOT* PROMISE ABRAHAM THE LAND OF THE CANANITES. ALLAH *DID NOT* PROPMISE ABRAHAM WITH MANY CHILDREN AS THE STARS IN HEAVEN.
ALLAH *DID NOT* PROMISE THAT IN ABRAHAM SEED SHALL THE EARTH BE BLESED.
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QUOTE:
The name ALLAH is not the same as the generic term “God” an it is NEVER used plurally there are no “ALLAHS” it is a proper name which is also a title of th Nature of HIS BEING. No other being is worthy to be called ALLAH HE IS “THE GOD” There is none else.
UNQUOTE:
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THIS IS ANOTHER PROOF THAT ALLAH IS NOT JEHOVAH
FOR JEHOVAH IS NOT SINGULAR,BUT PLURAL.
SAMPLE: LET *US* MAKE MAN IN *OUR* IMAGE.
BEHOLD,THEY HAVE BECOME LIKE **ONE OF US**.
ALLAH *OF ISLAM* IS THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD OF THE MUSLEMS, I AGREE.
THERE IS NO OTHER GOD BUT ALLAH, I AGREE,THIS IS WHAT MUSLEMS BELIEVE.ALLAH IS THEIR GOD.
—————————————————————–Can you show me a single verse where God says a sacrifice of his son is needed? Jesus says the OPPOSITE:
—————————————————————–ARE YOU SERIOUS? GO AND MEDITATE ON PSALMS 22.
ALL ABOUT JESUS DIYING ON THE CROSS FOR YOU ALSO.
—————————————————————–Matthew 12:7
But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.—————————————————————–
ITS OF NO USE TO QUOTE SCRIPTURES OUT OF CONTEXT. JESUS WAS SPEAKING OF THE JEWS SACRIFICING, BUT NOT HAVING MERCY FOR HIS FELLOW MAN.HE WAS NOT SPEAKING OF *HIS* SACRIFICE.
FOR HE SACRIFICED HIMSELF,AND *ALSO* HAVE MERCY
FOR HIS FELLOW MAN. **GOD FORGIVE THEM,FOR THEY DONT KNOW WHAT THEY DO**. THIS IS MERCY.
—————————————————————–Jesus is in heaven and will return ut he was taken up by ALLAH ALIVE:
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THIS IS ALSO NOT IN THE BIBLE.
THIS IS ONLY IN THE QUR'AN,ALLAH'S BOOK.
THE QUR'AN IS NOT THE HOLY BIBLE.
THERFORE THE WORD OF GOD(JEHOVAH) IS NOT THE QUR'AN. THE QUR'AN IS THE WORD OF THE PROPHET MOHAMAD; AND HE IS THE ONE AND ONLY WITNESS TO THE QUR'AN. THE QUR'AN HAS NO PROPHETS NOR APOSTLES FOR A WITNESS.
MUSLEMS MUST JUST RELY ON THE WITNESS OF ONE MAN.
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Behold! Allah said: “O jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.—————————————————————–
I AGREE WITH THE ABOVE; BUT THOSE ARE MOHAMADS WORDS; NOT THE WORD OF GOD.
—————————————————————–( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #55)
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WE HAVE TWO BOOKS HERE TO CONSIDER,*NOT ONE*.
1.THE HOLY BIBLE,THE WORD OF GOD,THROUGH THE PROPHETS; HIS SON JESUS; AND THE APOSTLES. ALL WITNESSING THE SAME WORD.2.THE QUR'AN, THE WORD OF ALLAH THROUGH MOHAMAD;THE ONE AND ONLY WITNESS TO THE QUR'AN.ISLAM IS BASED ON THE ONE WITNESS.
AS YOU KNOW THAT WE NEED MORE THAN JUST ONE WITNESS TO A CASE.
wakeup.
The scriptures don't say tha didn't know the name of God it says they didn't know “that” name. God has more than one name.Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم): “Invoke Allah or invoke the Most Gracious (Allah), by whatever name you invoke Him (it is the same), for to Him belong the best names. And offer your Salat (prayer) neither aloud nor in a low voice, but follow a way between.
( سورة الإسراء , Al-Isra, Chapter #17, Verse #110)
God is not “Hebrew or Jewish he doesn't belong to a religion” God is God and religion is to submit to Him.
I asked for you to show me a SINGLE verse out of the entire Bible where God says he requires the blood or sacrifice of His son and you can never produce such a verse for me.
The scripture does say Mercy is greater than Sacrifice and look what God says DIRECTLY:
Hosea 6:6
For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.The bible is a collection of individual books not one continuous book with co-operating authors but nonetheless the Quran confirms the very witnesses you claim but also clarifies and reveals.
If you read the Quran you know it is from the same God but if you don't of course you will not believe.
I actually feel deep inside God is drawing you to the Quran whether you will heed the call and actually read it, I don't know.
Boditharta.The scriptures don't say tha didn't know the name of God it says they didn't know “that” name. God has more than one name.
Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم): “Invoke Allah or invoke the Most Gracious (Allah), by whatever name you invoke Him (it is the same), for to Him belong the best names. And offer your Salat (prayer) neither aloud nor in a low voice, but follow a way between.( سورة الإسراء , Al-Isra, Chapter #17, Verse #110
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CAN YOU CALL HIM LORD KRISNA? OR BAGWAN?
—————————————————————–God is not “Hebrew or Jewish he doesn't belong to a religion” God is God and religion is to submit to Him.
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IF ONLY ALL MUSLEMS WOULD FOLLOW THE ABOVE
THE WORLD WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE.
AS USUAL;JUST LIP SERVICE.
—————————————————————–I asked for you to show me a SINGLE verse out of the entire Bible where God says he requir
es the blood or sacrifice of His son and you can never produce such a verse for me.—————————————————————–
YOU ARE SO CLOSE MINDED CONCERNING THE SCRIPTURES. I SHOWED YOU PSALMS 22 AND THAT DOES NOT MEAN A THING TO YOU. IT SIMPLY DOES NOT CONNECT SPIRITUALLY.
John 3:14 And as Moses **lifted up the serpent** in the wilderness, even so **must the Son of man be lifted up**:(Sacrificed).
John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he *GAVE* HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.**GOD GAVE**: ITS A GIFT;A SACRIFICE: TO HAVE THE DOOR TO GOD OPENED AGAIN.
JESUS WAS SACRIFICED BECAUSE THAT WAS *GODS WILL*; *GOD WANTED* A SACRIFICE*.YOU WILL NOT PERCEIVE; BECAUSE JEHOVAH IS NOT ALLAH,THEY ARE OF A DIFFERENT FREQYUENCY.
different channels.
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The scripture does say Mercy is greater than Sacrifice and look what God says DIRECTLY:—————————————————————–
Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and *have omitted the weightier matters* of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, *and not to leave the other undone*.
—————————————————————–Hosea 6:6
For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.The bible is a collection of individual books not one continuous book with co-operating authors but nonetheless the Quran confirms the very witnesses you claim but also clarifies and reveals.
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THIS IS THE UNIQUE THING ABOUT THE BIBLE.
MANY WRITERS OF DIFFERENT PLACES AND DIFFERENT
TIMES;ALL WRITING ABOUT THE SAME THING,WITH NO CONTRADICTIONS.
THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY CONNECTED. IT S CALLED THE HOLY SPIRIT.
—————————————————————–If you read the Quran you know it is from the same God but if you don't of course you will not believe.
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HOW CAN?? **GOD SAYS ONE THING, AND ALLAH SAYS ANOTHER**. ITS FINE FOR YOU ; YOU HAVE CHOSEN ALLAH,AND TO YOU HE IS ALSO JEHOVAH;BUT THAT IS ONLY YOUR PERCEPTION.
IGNORING COMMONSENSE; ONE SAYS (A),AND THE OTHER SAYS (B) YET THEY ARE THE SAME TO YOU.
—————————————————————–I actually feel deep inside God is drawing you to the Quran whether you will heed the call and actually read it, I don't know.
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WHAT MAKES YOU FEEL THAT WAY?
WOULD ONE GIVE AWAY HIS GOLD FOR CLAY?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 04 2013,22:13) The word *God* is not a name;it is a title.
The word allah is also not a name;its a title.
Correct. The Hebrew word “el” means “god”. The Arabic word “allah” means “the god”.It is NOT the proper name of God, which was given by Him as YHWH.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 06 2013,10:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 04 2013,22:13) The word *God* is not a name;it is a title.
The word allah is also not a name;its a title.
Correct. The Hebrew word “el” means “god”. The Arabic word “allah” means “the god”.It is NOT the proper name of God, which was given by Him as YHWH.
Mike B.Have you noticed the angels names?
Micha'el,Gabri'el, Rapha'el,Phanu'el.
Immmanu'el(God with us).wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 06 2013,09:38) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 06 2013,03:49) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 06 2013,02:23) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 06 2013,01:31) Jehovah as a name Jehovah was unknown until 1520 when it was introduced by Galatinus, who defended its use.
In English it appeared in William Tyndale's translation of the Pentateuch (“The Five Books of Moses”),[28] published in 1530 in Germany, where Tyndale had studied since 1524, possibly in one or more of the universities at Wittenberg, Worms and Marburg, where Hebrew was taught.[29] The spelling used by Tyndale was “Iehouah”; at that time, “I” was not distinguished from J, and U was not distinguished from V.[30] The original 1611 printing of the Authorized King James Version used “Iehovah”. Tyndale wrote about the divine name: “IEHOUAH [Jehovah], is God's name; neither is any creature so called; and it is as much to say as, One that is of himself, and dependeth of nothing. Moreover, as oft as thou seest LORD in great letters (except there be any error in the printing), it is in Hebrew Iehouah, Thou that art; or, He that is.”[31] The name is also found in a 1651 edition of Ramón Martí's Pugio fidei.
Colter
Colter.You are so obsessed with the urantia,
and can not see the truth.Genesis 22:14 And Abraham called the name of that place *Jehovahjireh*: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.
Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name *JEHOVAH* was I not known to them.
Exodus 17:15 And Moses built an altar, and called the name of it *Jehovahnissi*:
Judges 6:24 Then Gideon built an altar there unto the LORD, and called it *Jehovahshalom*: unto this day it is yet in Ophrah of the Abiezrites.
Psalms 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is *JEHOVAH*, art the most high over all the earth.
Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the *LORD JEHOVAH* is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
Isaiah 26:4 Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the *LORD JEHOVAH* is everlasting strength:
quote:
Jehovah was unknown until 1520 when it was introduced by Galatinus, who defended its use.unquote.Are you serious?
wakeup.
Jehovah is a Latin translation.Wiki:
“Jehovah” at Exodus 6:3
(1611 King James Version)Jehovah /dʒɨˈhoʊvə/ is a Latinization of the Hebrew יְהֹוָה, a vocalization of the Tetragrammaton יהוה (YHWH), the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible, which has also been transcribed as “Yehowah” or “Yahweh”.[1][2]יְהֹוָה appears 6,518 times in the traditional Masoretic Text, in addition to 305 instances of יֱהֹוִה (Jehovih).[3] The earliest available Latin text to use a vocalization similar to Jehovah dates from the 13th century.[4]
Most scholars believe “Jehovah” to be a late (c. 1100 CE) hybrid form derived by combining the Latin letters JHVH with the vowels of Adonai, but there is some evidence that it may already have been in use in Late Antiquity (5th century).[5][6] The consensus among scholars is that the historical vocalization of the Tetragrammaton at the time of the redaction of the Torah (6th century BCE) is most likely Yahweh, however there is disagreement. The historical vocalization was lost because in Second Temple Judaism, during the 3rd to 2nd centuries BCE, the pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton came to be avoided, being substituted with Adonai (“my Lord”).
Gods name is not known.
Colter
Colter.Jehovah,yhwh,Iehouah.
Whats the propblem its just a matter of spelling and
pronunciation.
The fact here is that the name was known from the days of the old prophets.
Not only after 1520 ad.wakeup.
Wakeup, the Jews do know Hebrew and the OT books pretty well, they are saying the name Jehovah is a relatively recent, grammatically incorrect translation by Christians. The OT prophets never used a Latin mistranslation.Colter
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 06 2013,09:44) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 06 2013,05:18) Jewish Encyclopedia JEHOVAH:
“A mispronunciation (introduced by Christian theologians, but almost entirely disregarded by the Jews) of the Hebrew “Yhwh,” the (ineffable) name of God (the Tetragrammaton or “Shem ha-Meforash”). This pronunciation is grammatically impossible; it arose through pronouncing the vowels of the “ḳere” (marginal reading of the Masorites: = “Adonay”) with the consonants of the “ketib” (text-reading: = “Yhwh”)—”Adonay” (the Lord) being substituted with one exception wherever Yhwh occurs in the Biblical and liturgical books. “Adonay” presents the vowels “shewa” (the composite under the guttural א becomes simple under the י), “ḥolem,” and “ḳameẓ,” and these give the reading (= “Jehovah”). Sometimes, when the two names and occur together, the former is pointed with “ḥatef segol” () under the י —thus, (=”Jehovah”)—to indicate that in this combination it is to be pronounced “Elohim” (). These substitutions of “Adonay”and “Elohim” for Yhwh were devised to avoid the profanation of the Ineffable Name (hence is also written , or even , and read “ha-Shem” = “the Name “)………..”
Colter
Colter.Since you are good in searching the encyclopedia;
tell us what language is the word allah?wakeup.
Allah means “the God” in Arabic. Some Christians use the term.Colter
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 06 2013,11:12) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 06 2013,10:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 04 2013,22:13) The word *God* is not a name;it is a title.
The word allah is also not a name;its a title.
Correct. The Hebrew word “el” means “god”. The Arabic word “allah” means “the god”.It is NOT the proper name of God, which was given by Him as YHWH.
Mike B.Have you noticed the angels names?
Micha'el,Gabri'el, Rapha'el,Phanu'el.
Immmanu'el(God with us).wakeup.
it's all spelling with youWhoever is an enemy to Allah, His Angels, His Messengers, Jibril (gabriel) and Mika'il (michael), then verily, Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers.”
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #98)
Notice in Arabic it changes to “il”?
But since you bring it up
Quote Have you noticed the angels names?
Micha'el,Gabri'el, Rapha'el,Phanu'el.Isaac and who? Ishma'el but you won't see the truth
Hi boditharta.
What does ishmail(ishmael) mean?
As for the flesh there are many called by angels names.
And also names like,Dani'el is one;(Ezieki'el)?
Even the name Jesus is given to some.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 06 2013,13:43) Hi boditharta. What does ishmail(ishmael) mean?
As for the flesh there are many called by angels names.
And also names like,Dani'el is one;(Ezieki'el)?
Even the name Jesus is given to some.wakeup.
Ishmael means 'God will listen'Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 07 2013,03:53) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 06 2013,13:43) Hi boditharta. What does ishmail(ishmael) mean?
As for the flesh there are many called by angels names.
And also names like,Dani'el is one;(Ezieki'el)?
Even the name Jesus is given to some.wakeup.
Ishmael means 'God will listen'
Boditharta.Thank you,and here are some scriptures for you.
Genesis 16:11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; **because the LORD hath **heard thy affliction**.
GOD DID LISTEN TO HAGARS PLEA.
Genesis 16:15 And Hagar bare Abram a son: and Abram called his son's name, which Hagar bare, Ishmael.
Genesis 16:16 And Abram was fourscore and six years old, when Hagar bare Ishmael to Abram.
Genesis 17:18 And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!
Genesis 17:20 ** And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee**: Behold, *I have blessed him*, and will make him *fruitful*, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
Gen.17:21. But *my covenant* will I establish with Isaac.
Isaac was born by *Gods promise* to abraham.
Christians will be *born again* by Jesus promise.
And that is the resurrection.wakeup.
wakeup.
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