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To All………….The kingdom of GOD is Not flesh and blood , but it can reside (IN) flesh and Blood, Jesus was simply showing the Kingdom of GOD is SPIRIT and can Be in ANYONE. “FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD COMES NOT WITH OBSERVATION BUT IS WITHIN YOU”. Flesh and blood is (NOT) SPIRIT but Spirit is what is (IN) Flesh and Blood. The two compose a (LIVING) SOUL or person. Jesus himself was flesh and bone after his resurrection and ascended up into heaven with that body and will return with it, and i do believe he was in the kingdom of GOD .
peace and love to you all………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 15 2007,13:23) HI NICK Hassan my question is how could a word litterly become flesh. Jesus said God was a spirit and while a person can have spirit within his flesh, his flesh can never be spirit. a word is a intellegent uterance a sound made by wind moving across our vocial cord deriving it origin from our intellect and is not flesh at all, I know what the text say's but i believe there was somthing lost in translations what do you think. 
thanks for you input.
Let's get back to basics.Many people have misused words in many different subject matters.
Even common phrases make no sense if taken literally.
“Wash your face off.” Or is it, “Wash the dirt from off of your face?”
“The traffic is backing up.” Are the cars actually in reverse and the drivers backing up, or it is actually “the flow of traffic is slowing down and therefore the cars are bunching up more closely to each other because of a bottleneck (actual neck of a bottle?) in the road ahead.”
(Of course, figures of speech are useful devices to communicate ideas although the words used in the figure of speech are not literally true, “what a hot dog!” referring to a person who is a showoff.) Of course, a hot dog doing God's word is a good thing, if he is a proud doer. Jesus Christ is a proud doer of God's word, “eat my flesh”, is JC a hot dog for God? Yeah, he is, no wonder he angered the smug religious types. He had God's power in him and he showed it. again and again. why? to glorify God.
My point is this: What is the most basic definition of the word, “word” or “logos”. It means a message, or communication or the thought behind the actual words used. The basic definition does not include the idea of a person or a living entity.
The Greek word, rhema, is more concerned with the actual words used rather than the message intended.
That is, for instance, we must choose our words, rhema, most carefully so the message , the logos, we wish to convey is most clear.
How do I know who you are? The only way that I have right now is by your words. The messages you give, the communications you impart, the meaning of the words that you use.
How can you know me at this point? Same way.
Can God communicate using words? Of course, yes.
Has God communicated using words? Yes, of course. The scripture, God's giving revelation to men of God.
Are words, rhema, the only way that there is to communicate a message?
No, in some instances, “a picture may be worth a thousand words”.
Maybe you are familiar with the idea, the message, the logos, “I would rather see a sermon than hear one.”
Can one lead another to the truth of God's word, God's logos, by setting an example? Yes, of course.
Is there an example of someone perfectly doing God's Word in the scripture? Don't you think that the perfect example that Jesus Christ is, is useful in communicating the words of God to mankind? Of course it is.
We teach ideas, concepts, truths of God, both by example and by the words that we speak.
Is God's words God? Who else's words are they? God's Words originated with God. God's words are as much God as God is. Your words are as much you as you are. “Out of the abundace of the heart, the mouth speaketh.” You say what you say or don't say, because of who you are. Same with me. and everyone else. The only record we have of God's words is scripture. Jesus Christ communicated God's words in two ways, by speaking them and by living them out in the flesh. He fleshed out the truths of God's words.
If we love as God tells us to love are we communicating God's heart, His thoughts, ideas, His logos to others? Yes, we most certainly are. If we get it right say 90% of the time, in comparison to Jesus Christ getting it right 100% of the time, have we done a good job of communicating God's logos to people. I would say so. I am sure that God would be blessed with that. Although we continue to want to and work to improve on that.
When we choose to live the teachings of the written word in our lives are we “fleshing out” the truth of God, the words, the logos of God. We most certainly are. Even if we do this for only one minute in our lifetimes, we have shown the truth for that one minute. We have made the word flesh for that one minute.
We cannot see God, for God is spirit, God is invisible. God communicated His will to His people in many ways. Burning bushes, angels, men and women of God, the signs, miracles and wonders that men and women of God believed to do.
For brevity sake, I will stop now.
I think that I have used enough rhemas to convey well the logos I intended to communicate.
Have a great day living the word of God in the flesh.
barly……….Amen brother the word of GOD is (NOT) Flesh, it came to be (IN) Flesh and Blood Humans. And it was 100 % (IN) Jesus our brother and Lord. Good post brother.
peace and love to you and yours…………………gene
Hi Barley,
Excellent Post! The 'systems of religion' have taught many fallacies.
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi B,
Of course you must first seek the kingdom.
You must be born again of water and the Spirit.
Imitation of the Son is only possible inSpirit powerHi Barley, welcome to the forum. That was a good post and somethings to think about.
The Word of God was sent from Heaven, He was with God. He is the messenger.
Its like a friend we have, he all day runs from person to person, with messages from His boss. His boss sits at home, while his 'messenger' does his talking. No-one ever sees 'the boss'.
So the Word was the “word” or “messenger”, who was it who appeared in the old testement if no-one has ever seen God?
'The word' became flesh and instead dwelled among us, as one of us, He could not vanish or magically walk through walls, because He became exactly as one of us, He had to live like us, suffer like us, and die like us. But He had no sin, so He became the exact 'image' of God. Because God is Spirit and invisible. He became 'God in the flesh'. Because God was in Him. He said no-one has ever seen the Father then goes on to say “If youve seen me you've seen the Father”.
Now Jesus after death is seated at Gods right hand. The Holy Spirit was sent.
His words live on, and can continue to live on with every person who speaks them with truth, and is obediant.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 24 2010,10:12) Hi KM,
Yes the Spirit of Christ was in the prophets.[1Peter1]
But Jesus did not exist yet
nickwhat does it mean ,the spirit of Christ ?? that was in the prophets,
and how was it into the prophets??
Pierre
Quote (karmarie @ June 24 2010,09:46) Hi Barley, welcome to the forum. That was a good post and somethings to think about. The Word of God was sent from Heaven, He was with God. He is the messenger.
Its like a friend we have, he all day runs from person to person, with messages from His boss. His boss sits at home, while his 'messenger' does his talking. No-one ever sees 'the boss'.
So the Word was the “word” or “messenger”, who was it who appeared in the old testement if no-one has ever seen God?
'The word' became flesh and instead dwelled among us, as one of us, He could not vanish or magically walk through walls, because He became exactly as one of us, He had to live like us, suffer like us, and die like us. But He had no sin, so He became the exact 'image' of God. Because God is Spirit and invisible. He became 'God in the flesh'. Because God was in Him. He said no-one has ever seen the Father then goes on to say “If youve seen me you've seen the Father”.
Now Jesus after death is seated at Gods right hand. The Holy Spirit was sent.
His words live on, and can continue to live on with every person who speaks them with truth, and is obediant.
What are some possible meanings to the idea the Jesus Christ was sent from heaven?Was Jesus Christ actually in heaven and was sent down?
Did his sending originate in heaven, although he might not have been in heaven? What do I mean by this? Say you are in Florida, and the President of the United States calls you up and asks you to be the ambassador to Chile. Where did the sending originate from? Washington, DC. Where did you leave to go to Chile from? Florida. You were sent from Washington, but you were never there.
Does this idea have a basis in other scriptural truths? Let us look at Ephesians 1:4, According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love.
How could have God chose us in him before the foundation of the world? Were you or I or any other believer with God before the foundation of the world? No, not at all. In the beginning God, God was alone. However, as we know, God does have foreknowledge and fore knew the choices we would make in life, including our choice to believe His word, His scripture. Knowing that, he knew we would not be the rotten apples. He liked what He “saw” and chose us. We were not in existence when He chose us.
God speaks of things that are not, as though they were. We were not there in the beginning, yet God knew us from before the foundations of the world.
God also foreknew the fall of man, and the need for a redeemer.
His plan, while yet on the drawing board, was to send a redeemer to correct A and E's error. And the plan was a good plan, it accomplished all that God intended.
Ephesians also speaks that JC is seated at the right hand of the Father. Ephesians 1:20. Ephesians 2:5-6, tells us that we were quickened together with Christ, (made alive, were we there physically, on the cross with him?), he raised us up together, (were we there, physically, in the tomb with him?), and we were made to sit together in heavenly places with Christ. Are we physically there? No. From the spiritual vantage point of God's view of our lives because of the accomplished works of His son, we have been seated in the heavenlies in Christ. Now, that is big. When we see the problems in our lives from that point of view, they seem a lot smaller. We have power to spare.
Have you considered your life from the vantage point God sees it as? That you, from a spiritual point of view are seated together with Christ on the right hand side of God? The right hand is the hand of blessing.
Just as Jesus Christ did, we can live the truth, the logos, that God had afore prepared, so that as Philippians 2:15-16 teaches, we can shine as lights in this world, holding forth the word of life. We can teach scripture just like Jesus Christ did. We were called as ambassadors for Christ. II Corinthians 5:20. Were we sent from heaven? Yes. The order, the calling, the sending originated from heaven, from the throne of God, so to speak, yet I did not exist 58 years ago, except in the foreknowledge of God.
Enjoy being an ambassador for Christ, for you were sent also.
Quote (barley @ June 26 2010,13:34) How could have God chose us in him before the foundation of the world? Were you or I or any other believer with God before the foundation of the world? No, not at all.
Hi Barley,You make an assumption.
What about these verses…John 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness,
because ye have been with me from the beginning.Jer.1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest
forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 26 2010,13:47) Quote (barley @ June 26 2010,13:34) How could have God chose us in him before the foundation of the world? Were you or I or any other believer with God before the foundation of the world? No, not at all.
Hi Barley,You make an assumption.
What about these verses…John 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness,
because ye have been with me from the beginning.Jer.1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest
forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
John 15:27 speaks of a beginning. what beginning? the beginning in Genesis 1:1? The beginning, the birth, the genesis of Jesus Christ? Matthew 1:18. The beginning of JC's ministry?Regarding Jeremiah 1:5. Does God have foreknowledge? didn't I cover this in my post? Yeah, I did. I guess you didn't pay enough attention to notice that I mentioned it at least three times. I will keep that in mind next time you reply to one of my posts.
Hi B,
We share in the living Spirit of CHRIST.
One in him we literally are also at the R hand of God.
The Spirit that proceeds from God unites and does not divide.Quote (barley @ June 28 2010,14:27) Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2010,13:47) Quote (barley @ June 26 2010,13:34) How could have God chose us in him before the foundation of the world? Were you or I or any other believer with God before the foundation of the world? No, not at all.
Hi Barley,You make an assumption.
What about these verses…John 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness,
because ye have been with me from the beginning.Jer.1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest
forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
John 15:27 speaks of a beginning. what beginning? the beginning in Genesis 1:1? The beginning, the birth, the genesis of Jesus Christ? Matthew 1:18. The beginning of JC's ministry?Regarding Jeremiah 1:5. Does God have foreknowledge? didn't I cover this in my post? Yeah, I did. I guess you didn't pay enough attention to notice that I mentioned it at least three times. I will keep that in mind next time you reply to one of my posts.
Hi Barley,You illustrate my point perfectly! You make assumptions!
You'll remember what next time? To be more clear?
To be revengeful? (Nahum 1:2) What?God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (barley @ June 26 2010,15:34) How could have God chose us in him before the foundation of the world? Were you or I or any other believer with God before the foundation of the world? No, not at all. In the beginning God, God was alone. However, as we know, God does have foreknowledge and fore knew the choices we would make in life, including our choice to believe His word, His scripture. Knowing that, he knew we would not be the rotten apples. He liked what He “saw” and chose us. We were not in existence when He chose us. God speaks of things that are not, as though they were. We were not there in the beginning, yet God knew us from before the foundations of the world.
God also foreknew the fall of man, and the need for a redeemer.
His plan, while yet on the drawing board, was to send a redeemer to correct A and E's error. And the plan was a good plan, it accomplished all that God intended.
Ephesians also speaks that JC is seated at the right hand of the Father. Ephesians 1:20. Ephesians 2:5-6, tells us that we were quickened together with Christ, (made alive, were we there physically, on the cross with him?), he raised us up together, (were we there, physically, in the tomb with him?), and we were made to sit together in heavenly places with Christ. Are we physically there? No. From the spiritual vantage point of God's view of our lives because of the accomplished works of His son, we have been seated in the heavenlies in Christ. Now, that is big. When we see the problems in our lives from that point of view, they seem a lot smaller. We have power to spare.
Have you considered your life from the vantage point God sees it as? That you, from a spiritual point of view are seated together with Christ on the right hand side of God? The right hand is the hand of blessing.
Just as Jesus Christ did, we can live the truth, the logos, that God had afore prepared, so that as Philippians 2:15-16 teaches, we can shine as lights in this world, holding forth the word of life. We can teach scripture just like Jesus Christ did. We were called as ambassadors for Christ. II Corinthians 5:20. Were we sent from heaven? Yes. The order, the calling, the sending originated from heaven, from the throne of God, so to speak, yet I did not exist 58 years ago, except in the foreknowledge of God.
Enjoy being an ambassador for Christ, for you were sent also.
Hi Barley.
Good post,
Quote Let us look at Ephesians 1:4, According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love. That got me thinking, you said God had fore knowledge of his people chosen from the foundation of the world, so he saw or knew them before they came into existance.
But maybe its not that God foreknew us but that He foreknew there would be people who would be exactly what He was looking for? A type of people chosen before the foundation of the world, people who would be holy and without blame before him in love. As the scripture says. ? Chosen from amongst 'the crowd'
Karmarie……….That could be true of us and it also could be true of Jesus right? GOD in his plan before he started creating Man knew exactly what he was going to do with the First man to be saved from mankind and the others one that would follow him, But the whole plan was Just a Plan until God put it into reality, this is the same with Jesus and Us alike IMO.
peace and love…………………..gene
Gene, I knew someone would come along and say that! Dont worry I thought of that already as I wrote. Scripture makes it clear though that only one came down from heaven!
Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2010,18:36) Quote (barley @ June 28 2010,14:27) Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2010,13:47) Quote (barley @ June 26 2010,13:34) How could have God chose us in him before the foundation of the world? Were you or I or any other believer with God before the foundation of the world? No, not at all.
Hi Barley,You make an assumption.
What about these verses…John 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness,
because ye have been with me from the beginning.Jer.1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest
forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
John 15:27 speaks of a beginning. what beginning? the beginning in Genesis 1:1? The beginning, the birth, the genesis of Jesus Christ? Matthew 1:18. The beginning of JC's ministry?Regarding Jeremiah 1:5. Does God have foreknowledge? didn't I cover this in my post? Yeah, I did. I guess you didn't pay enough attention to notice that I mentioned it at least three times. I will keep that in mind next time you reply to one of my posts.
Hi Barley,You illustrate my point perfectly! You make assumptions!
You'll remember what next time? To be more clear?
To be revengeful? (Nahum 1:2) What?God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
What point are you making?What assumption was I making?
Were you trying to say something else than what your post contained?
What will I remember the next time? That you will probably not read my post carefully enough to reply according to what was written.
Was there a lack of clarity in my post? I apologize, maybe you might consider asking instead of presuming..
Vengeance? Wow. I will also remember that you quickly assume the worst. It is not mine to take vengeance if there is a need for it. “Vengeance is mine,” saith the Lord,”I will repay”
Quote (karmarie @ June 28 2010,19:49) Quote (barley @ June 26 2010,15:34) How could have God chose us in him before the foundation of the world? Were you or I or any other believer with God before the foundation of the world? No, not at all. In the beginning God, God was alone. However, as we know, God does have foreknowledge and fore knew the choices we would make in life, including our choice to believe His word, His scripture. Knowing that, he knew we would not be the rotten apples. He liked what He “saw” and chose us. We were not in existence when He chose us. God speaks of things that are not, as though they were. We were not there in the beginning, yet God knew us from before the foundations of the world.
God also foreknew the fall of man, and the need for a redeemer.
His plan, while yet on the drawing board, was to send a redeemer to correct A and E's error. And the plan was a good plan, it accomplished all that God intended.
Ephesians also speaks that JC is seated at the right hand of the Father. Ephesians 1:20. Ephesians 2:5-6, tells us that we were quickened together with Christ, (made alive, were we there physically, on the cross with him?), he raised us up together, (were we there, physically, in the tomb with him?), and we were made to sit together in heavenly places with Christ. Are we physically there? No. From the spiritual vantage point of God's view of our lives because of the accomplished works of His son, we have been seated in the heavenlies in Christ. Now, that is big. When we see the problems in our lives from that point of view, they seem a lot smaller. We have power to spare.
Have you considered your life from the vantage point God sees it as? That you, from a spiritual point of view are seated together with Christ on the right hand side of God? The right hand is the hand of blessing.
Just as Jesus Christ did, we can live the truth, the logos, that God had afore prepared, so that as Philippians 2:15-16 teaches, we can shine as lights in this world, holding forth the word of life. We can teach scripture just like Jesus Christ did. We were called as ambassadors for Christ. II Corinthians 5:20. Were we sent from heaven? Yes. The order, the calling, the sending originated from heaven, from the throne of God, so to speak, yet I did not exist 58 years ago, except in the foreknowledge of God.
Enjoy being an ambassador for Christ, for you were sent also.
Hi Barley.
Good post,
Quote Let us look at Ephesians 1:4, According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love. That got me thinking, you said God had fore knowledge of his people chosen from the foundation of the world, so he saw or knew them before they came into existance.
But maybe its not that God foreknew us but that He foreknew there would be people who would be exactly what He was looking for? A type of people chosen before the foundation of the world, people who would be holy and without blame before him in love. As the scripture says. ? Chosen from amongst 'the crowd'
Without looking up the Greek, the phrase, “that we should be holy…” especially the word “should” as I read it would indicate a choice on our parts. We should be, we should choose to be and therefore live according to the scriptures so that we do become holy and with blame before Him in love. But we could choose not to be.Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2010,13:47) Quote (barley @ June 26 2010,13:34) How could have God chose us in him before the foundation of the world? Were you or I or any other believer with God before the foundation of the world? No, not at all.
Hi Barley,You make an assumption.
What about these verses…John 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness,
because ye have been with me from the beginning.Jer.1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest
forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Barley,OK; let's go back to where we started…
Neither Jesus nor us, is the assumption you make, were with God in the beginning.The beginning being defined as: before the foundation of the world,
as in “before” all Created matter. Does this help to define 'your assumption'?That is why I produced John 15:27 and Jer.1:5;
both of those verses “could” be referring to pre-Creation.
So I posted them for you to explain why 'you' don't believe this is possible.Are we back on track now?
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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