The word and the flesh

[michaels]

where does it say that jesus is the word,

[GeneBalthrop]

michaels….> there is no where is say's Jesus himself is the word. He spoke God's word's to us, but speaking someone else's word's does not make you the word. Just as Jesus said the words i speak to you are NOT MINE but the word's of Him who sent me. trinitarians can't stand that because it goes aginst there teachings of Jesus being Almighty God, just like they can't handle where Jesus said thou(someone else) art the only (no one else) God. how clear and simple but yet there are some who can't understand it. go figure.

what also is somthing trinitarians can't figure out is where it say's God does all things after the council of His (own will) and Jesus said He came NOT TO DO HIS WILL but the will of the ONE that sent him. somehow they can't figure that out.
If Jesus were Almighty God would he do all things after his own will too.

so many simple scriptures that give you the right understanding of who Jesus is and who God His Father is and even the very Father and son show you they can't be the one and same person or being.

and they talk about blasphmey give me a break……gene

[michaels]

thanks so is the bible the word of god or does it just contain some of gods words,and some words inspired by god,for it says that paul was in his own spirit ,at a time,yet even though he had seperated himself from god to do his will,for god will never leave us we leave him through sin and disobedeance,he was still inspired of god to wright about god,but are these gods words or pauls words,he said many wonderful things that sound like the truth,but many other things sound like teaching to ichy ears, how can so many be led astray through his and other wrightings does it come down to mistranslation ,or was he even for god and how could he live with himself knowing so many were decieved by his wrightings,it seems throughout the words of god every time god does something satan comes in wright after and steals away the truth by teaching just about the same thing god said with just a few small twists! ,he doesent have to change very much for man to fall back into sin ,he killed jesus and tried to make sure gods words never got out to man ,killed many diciples,but god did not let him cover up the thuth for his word will not go out void,yet god allowed it that we may be tested ,that we might seek him, man has walked away from god in this last day and made the truth as not,to love god with your hole hart,sole,mind,body,spirit,for he is our lord ,master, owner ,and father.to love him is to keep his commandments and follow jesus foot steps,jesus said go and sin no more,god never changes for there is no shadow of turning in him,he is the light,and the thuth we seek,god is not a liar,he can not contradict himself,for there is no darkness in him,praise him

[Not3in1]

Michaels – welcome!

I encourage you to read through various threads here. We are a neat mix of believer's and you will enjoy hearing many views, I hope?

I look forward to hearing from you as you share the truth that you know.

[michaels]

thanks me have been reading some here and there ,me cant hardly believe that their are believers still speeking the truth of god, me thought in this day all were decieved ,all me have heard in years is grace ,me cant handle mans twisting of gods grace, if all would just see and repent.he sayes if he dosent shorten the time even the very elect will be rotten,or burn,well not exactley got to go hope to speak again soon if the lord leads,realy have enjoyed this sight ,although god is our only teacher!

[david]

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As I've pointed out to CB, Jehu means “He is God” so when you are talking about names in Hebrew, they have significance.

HI kejonn. I'm pretty sure a possible meaning of Jehu is “Jehovah is he.”

Since you were speaking of the importance of names, I though we should not neglect God's name and replace it with titles.

[david]

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I know Wikipedia has names of those who were killed or exiled because of their anti-trinitarian views. The Unitarian Michael Servetus was burned at the stake for being a heretic.

Too true. It usually seems to be the trinitarians who are burning the non-trinitarians. Why is that?

[david]

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Here are some other names and their meanings: * Eliah – God The Lord * Eliakim – Resurrection Of God * Eliashib – The God Of Conversion * Eliel – God * Elijah – God the Lord * Eliphalet – The God Of Deliverance * Elisha – Salvation Of God * Elishah – It Is God; The Lamb Of God: God That Gives Help * Ezekiel – The Strength Of God * Geuel – God's Redemption * Ismael – God that Hears * Jemuel – God's Day; Son Of God * Kadmiel – God Of Antiquity; God Of Rising * Lemuel – God With Them * Pethuel – Mouth Of God; Persuasion Of God * Zidkijah – Justice Of The Lord * Zerahiah – The Lord Rising; Brightness Of The Lord * Shephatiah – The Lord That Judges * Shebaniah – The Lord That Converts * Seraiah – Prince Of The Lord * Sabaoth – Lord Of Hosts * Pedaiah – Redemption Of The Lord * Nedabiah – Prince Or Vow Of The Lord * Melatiah – Deliverance Of The Lord * Kolariah – Voice Of The Lord * John – The Grace Or Mercy Of The Lord * Jehozadak – Justice Of The Lord * Jedeiah – One Lord; The Joy Of The Lord * Ishiah – It Is The Lord * Isaiah – The Salvation Of The Lord * Iphedeiah – Redemption Of The Lord * Igdaliah – The Greatness Of The Lord * Hoshaiah – The Salvation Of The Lord * Binea – Son Of The Lord * Benaiah – Son Of The Lord * Ahiah – Brother Of The Lord * Abishalom – Father Of Peace * Abishua – Father Of Salvation * Mellicu – His Kingdom; His Counselor * Jah – The Everlasting

Kejonn, I too recognize the importance of names. God would often change someone's name when they began a meaningful new purpose in God's will.

“Jah” is the shortened poetic form of Jehovah.
So, Elijah doesn't mean: “God the Lord.” It would mean “My God is Jah.”

Several of the names you have above, you have “Lord” in there somewhere, when really, it is the name Jehovah that should be. Not all of them, but some.

[michaels]

their is no j or v in hebrew so that would be pronounced YAH,not jah,although the importance of his name in other languages is important,we need to learn to keep it in our own language for god is not stupid he knows his name in every tounge,what does ex3:14 and john 8:58 mean to you in your language ,do you love him with your hole hart not to use his name for your self in any language for his name is holy

[Worshipping Jesus]

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Hi W, You say “The Father is not only called the Only true God (John 17:3), but the “Only Saviour” (Isa 43:11; 45:21; Hos 13:4; Jude 25) , GUESS WHO GOD RAISED UP TO BE THE SAVIOUR OF MEN. Acts 13 ” 23Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: “

NH

Yes he did come from the Father, he is and was the Word that was with God and was God!

[NickHassan]

Hi W,
Indeed YHWH saves
Through Christ.

[IM4Truth]

Michael's& Nick I would like to ask you, What you understand about what grace is?

Krs.IM4Truth

[NickHassan]

HiMIM,
Grace is everything.
Ride the wave.
Respond.

[michaels]

grace is what god has allways had for us ,that we can turn from sin and be forgiven,that does not mean to go on in sin,but how can any repent if they dont even know the truth of what our father expects of us,without grace god would have wiped man of the face of the earth long ago ,but he loves us so threw grace he gives us the opertunity to repent ,as a loveing father would.so its up to us to make the choice to follow him and overcome the world, or burn ,hmmmm

[NickHassan]

Hi m,
Sin is no longer the big issue with God
except the sin of refusing to obey the command of the Son to be reborn.

Jn3
” 14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.”

Rom 8
“1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.”

Jn 16
” 8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.”

[michaels]

wow if sin is no longer an isue than why did jesus bother to say go and sin no more.so did jesus come to change the law ,no,the father never changes,so how would sin not be an issue ,god cannot abide in sin,so if its not an issue for you than you must not know him ,and if you said you did that would make you a lair ,for if you had known him you would have kepk his commandments,you think you have life but he will say I never knew you,to love god with your hole hart is the first4 laws that are sin the other 6 to love your brother as your self also sin,the law is part of god and he has no shadow of turning,its only for our benifit ,for even david loved gods law yet you make it as if it was not,try reading your own words,john 3 :19, men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil ,evil deeds wow sin your own words convict you yet you will not see for if you are in the darkness how can you see the light,how can you see the truth when the vail is blinding your eyes, was this doctrin taught u threw men or from comentaries you read in your bible also from men,seek him who knows all things for he is the truth not a lair, there is no shadow of turning in him ,why would you try to change god ,to suite your own evil ways,that you might feel justified in life,well what will you say when your sweet jesus tells you go and burn for i never knew you,for he said if you knew me you would have known the father (who never changes)also ,if you new my father you would have kept his commandments,therefor you dont even know him ,so who do you worship, do you even know,read your word and seek him and he will show you all truth,for he is the truth dont be decieved.sorry got to go have much more to say ,please dont be offended for the truth is offencive to the blind

[NickHassan]

Hi M,
Read Jn 5,
Have you already passed over from death to life?

[IM4Truth]

Michael's and Nick How do you explain Eph. 2:8 For by Grace you have been saved through Faith and that not of ourselves; it is the gift of God,
verse 9 not of works lest anyone should boast.
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the Law.
Mrs.IM4Truth

[NickHassan]

Hi MIM,
Does obedience to Jesus commands form part of the works of the OT law?
Faith is our lifeline and obedience allows us to see and enter the kingdom of God.

Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Ephesians 4:7
But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Heb 10
38Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

39But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.'

Jas 1
” 5If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

6But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

7For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

8A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

[michaels]

passing over from death to life,is when we die to our fleshly desires(sin)and turn to him,works have nothing to do with his perfect law ,how can you make them the same,gods law is wonderful so how could you say that its work,works are good deeds people do for man,and even for god for many do good works,matthew 7 :21-23 not every one that saith unto me lord lord,shall enter into the kingdom of heaven but he that does the will of my father who is in heaven,many will say to me (look we have works)in that day,lord,lord .have we not prophesied in your nane,(works)cast out devils(works)and in your name done many wonderful works,any how then he sayes he never knew you,depart from me you who work iniquity,he said obeedeance is better than sacrifice,so you cant buy you way in ether with tithes (works)he doesent want your m oney he just wants you,

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