The word and the flesh

[Not3in1]

Quote (TimothyVI @ June 27 2007,09:47)

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 27 2007,08:20) I'm glad we get to eat in heaven…..I love nachos!  I wonder if there will be nachos in Paradise? Hi not3in1, Nope, just angelfood cake. Tim

That's a bummer because I've never been a fan of the angel food cake. I mean, come on! If your going to have cake, it needs to have some sugar frosting (and lots of it)!

Good one, Tim!

[Not3in1]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 27 2007,12:49)

not3in1..> the idea of Jesus being the (only begotten) son may not be exatly right. let me explain the word begotten, it implies to derive from, as Jesus certainly did, however so has everything, everything is begotten or derived from God, Jesus was uniquely begotten of God but so was Adam and many other like Cyrus, Jeremiah,David, all these were uniquely derived or begotten from God. all who are born into the Family of God are uniquley begotten of God and His seed (holy spirit) or God's nature is in them. They have been impreginated with God's seed.They are therefore sons of God just like Jesus is. No difference. and they are heirs and joint hreirs with Jesus. for those who are sanctified and He who sanctifies are of one (GOD) for which cause He (Jesus) is not ashamed to call them brethern . saying i will declare (THY) name unto my (BRETHERN), in the midist of the church i will sing praise unto thy (GOD). we cannot seperate our likeness of Christ in any way. this will encourage you. blessings to you not3in1. your bother in Christ Gene.

Bro Gene,

What about Jesus being the ONLY begotten?
Adam wasn't begotten, he was created – right?

[GeneBalthrop]

not3in1 ..> no we are not waiting for adoption we already have been, when we excepted the sacrifice of Jesus for our sins, God The Father adopted us as His own son or daughter and because He did He(GOD) sent forth His holy spirit in to our hearts crying abba Father.

Rom8:15> for ye have not reciecied the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have (received) the spirit of adoption, where by we cry,abba Father. The spirit itself bearth witness with our spirit,that we are (Now) the children of God.

John plainly say's (NOW) we are the sons of God .

God bless all who love truth. Your friend Gene.

[GeneBalthrop]

not3in1…> all things are begotten of God the word begotten simply means drived from. Granted Jesus was uniquly begotten but so was Adam, Eve,Cyrus,Jeremiah,and King David, and John the Babtist, issac,and the list goes on, ways of berth is not a problem with God.

the one who created DNA can surely mannipulate it any way he wants to,right. it was no more a greater mericale to cause inpregnation in Mary than to create Adam and Eve was it?.if i had to pick the greater mericle i would pick Adam . the point how Jesus was born is not the gosple, what Jesus spoke to us is it. the gospel is not about Jesus its about the words God gave Him to tell us, salvation is God's work and He does it through whom ever He choses even you if He chooses lets focuse
and worship who and what Jesus did.

i am not trying to discourage you, you seam to me to be a very loving person so forgive me if i did. your BRO.. gene.

[kenrch]

Mar 13:19 For those days shall be tribulation, such as there hath not been the like from the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never shall be.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
*Beginning of the creation WHICH GOD CREATED until now.

Rev. 3:14 Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God. After God created the WORD everything was created by the WORD. So God created (according to this scripture) through His Word.

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him [WORD]; and without him [WORD] was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 1:4 In him [the Word] was life; and the life was the light of men.

Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
*That which was nothing became because the Father spoke it.

Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
*Nothing was created, nothing was there until the Father thought and then spoke it into existence. The Father called the earth which was not created as though it were already created using His Word.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
*Unlike all of creation, the Word through Mary, became flesh. That which the Father used to create HE made flesh. Out of all creation Jesus is the first born of the Father.

Col 1:15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
*The firstborn of the Father. The Son of the Father-GOD. The Word of Father became a living “human” being. When the Father (who is Spirit) simply thought ~Jesus~ the Father's Word spoke, not Jesus the Son of man, but the Son of God gave the utterance of the Father.
*The Son of man's Spirit is the Word. Jesus' Spirit (that life force) is the Father's Word. *The Word became flesh.
Col 1:16 for IN him [Jesus] were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him;
*That which was IN Jesus the WORD of the Father, created all things.

Phi 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
*The Word came FROM the Father so YES the Father's Word now flesh is part of the Father Himself and though part of God, did not claim to be God.

Phi 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
*Jesus even though being part of the Father did not claim His right as being treated as such, but emptied Himself of that power and became a servant even as we are.

*Reputation:
G2758
κενόω
kenoō
ken-o'-o
From G2756; to make empty, that is, (figuratively) to abase, neutralize, falsify: – make (of none effect, of no reputation, void), be in vain.
Phi 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
*After denying Himself of that privilege He became the Son of man and found Himself in the same circumstance as we are having to overcome flesh and it's desires.

*Fashion:
G4976
σχῆμα
schēma
skhay'-mah
From the alternate of G2192; a figure (as a mode or circumstance), that is, (by implication) external condition: – fashion.
*Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
*Jesus rose above the desires of the flesh making His flesh one with His Spirit. Having done this even to His end, Thus the Father exalted Him.

Phi 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Joh 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
*The Father still shows the Word/Jesus what the Father wants done.

Joh 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
*Though it is the Father who raises the dead it is His Son who decides who is worthy.

Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
We are to Honor the Son as we Honor our Father because the Son came from the Father. When we Honor the Son we Honor the Father. If we Honor the Father we Honor the Son. When we Worship the Father we Worship He whom He sent.

*Phi 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him[the Father] that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
*If you believe that Jesus came from the Father and set the captives free then you are free from death and are born into Life.

Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
*If you have not the Son you have not life and are dead! Jesus came not to judge the life you now have but to exchange the sinful life you have for a “new” life in Christ.

Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
*Because Jesus was in the same circumstance as we are and overcame He is to be our Judge not the Father. Jesus knows what it is like to be flesh in Satan's world yet defeated Satan buy ruling over His own flesh.

Luk 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
We were dead but now we live again because we live in Christ. In Him we live and move and have our being.

Act 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
*While on earth Jesus the Son of man overcame flesh and became the Son of God. * BUT the Word became flesh thus becoming the Father's Son, YES but Jesus refused that Honor, humbled Hi
mself and became as we (those born again) are.
So the Father says to the Son of man who became His Son “I am well pleased”.

Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
*So the Son of man as we are today became the Son of God. Then after death, after His resurrection He once AGAIN (being resurrected) became the Son of God.
*This is our hope to become as Jesus, Son of man and Son of God here and in the here after.

IHN&L,

Ken

[Worshipping Jesus]

K

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Rev. 3:14 Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God. After God created the WORD everything was created by the WORD. So God created (according to this scripture) through His Word.

Where is it written the “Word ” was created?

So there was a time when God did not have a “Word”? So he was mindless without a word?

[kenrch]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2007,07:26)

K You say… Quote Rev. 3:14 Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God. After God created the WORD everything was created by the WORD. So God created (according to this scripture) through His Word. Where is it written the “Word ” was created? So there was a time when God did not have a “Word”? So he was mindless without a word?

W

The Father creats through His Word.

Before His Word did the Father exist?

Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

What was the Father's first creation?

I'll give you a hint everything was created through the Father's first creation.

The Word came forth from the Father.

Joh 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

You may have been mindless before you spoke but I kinda doubt the Father was

AGAIN:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word [you say son] and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

You say the Holy Spirit is Jesus yet:

Luk 10:21

(ASV) In that same hour he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou didst hide these things from the wise and understanding, and didst reveal them unto babes: yea, Father; for so it was well-pleasing in thy sight.

(CEV) At that same time, Jesus felt the joy that comes from the Holy Spirit, and he said: My Father, Lord of heaven and earth, I am grateful that you hid all this from wise and educated people and showed it to ordinary people. Yes, Father, that is what pleased you.

(DRB) In that same hour, he rejoiced in the Holy Ghost and said: I confess to thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hidden these things from the wise and prudent and hast revealed them to little ones. Yea, Father, for so it hath seemed good in thy sight.

(ESV) In that same hour he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and said, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children; yes, Father, for such was your gracious will.

(GNB) At that time Jesus was filled with joy by the Holy Spirit and said, “Father, Lord of heaven and earth! I thank you because you have shown to the unlearned what you have hidden from the wise and learned. Yes, Father, this was how you were pleased to have it happen.

(GW) In that hour the Holy Spirit filled Jesus with joy. Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, for hiding these things from wise and intelligent people and revealing them to little children. Yes, Father, this is what pleased you.

(KJV) In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

(KJV+) In1722 that846 hour5610 Jesus2424 rejoiced21 in spirit,4151 and2532 said,2036 I thank1843 thee,4671 O Father,3962 Lord2962 of heaven3772 and2532 earth,1093 that3754 thou hast hid613 these things5023 from575 the wise4680 and2532 prudent,4908 and2532 hast revealed601 them846 unto babes:3516 even so,3483 Father;3962 for3754 so3779 it seemed1096 good2107 in thy sight.1715, 4675

(KJVR) In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

(LITV) In the same hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit, and said, I praise You, Father, Lord of Heaven and of earth, that You hid these things from the sophisticated and cunning and revealed them to babes; yes, Father, because so it was pleasing before You.

(MKJV) In that hour Jesus rejoiced in Spirit and said, I thank You, Father, Lord of Heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the sophisticated and cunning, and have revealed them to babes. Yes, Father, for so it was pleasing before You.

(MSG) At that, Jesus rejoiced, exuberant in the Holy Spirit. “I thank you, Father, Master of heaven and earth, that you hid these things from the know-it-alls and showed them to these innocent newcomers. Yes, Father, it pleased you to do it this way.

he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit,

Jesus felt the joy that comes from the Holy Spirit,

he rejoiced in the Holy Ghost

he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit

Jesus was filled with joy by the Holy Spirit

the Holy Spirit filled Jesus with joy.

Jesus rejoiced in spirit

Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit

exuberant in the Holy Spirit.

*When this happened what did Jesus say:

“I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth”

The Holy Spirit~the Father, GOD, His God and Father Jn 4:24~made Jesus the Son of man Joyful.

Did the Holy Spirit rejoice in Himself?

Surely you can relate to the experance Jesus had, I know I can! But I'm not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit IS God, John 4:24.

IHN&L,

Ken

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (kenrch @ July 08 2007,08:37)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2007,07:26) K You say… Quote Rev. 3:14 Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God. After God created the WORD everything was created by the WORD. So God created (according to this scripture) through His Word. Where is it written the “Word ” was created? So there was a time when God did not have a “Word”? So he was mindless without a word? W The Father creats through His Word. Before His Word did the Father exist? Rev 3:14  And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; What was the Father's first creation? I'll give you a hint everything was created through the Father's first creation. The Word came forth from the Father. Joh 16:27  For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. You may have been mindless before you spoke but I kinda doubt the Father was AGAIN: Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word [you say son] and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. You say the Holy Spirit is Jesus yet: Luk 10:21 (ASV)  In that same hour he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou didst hide these things from the wise and understanding, and didst reveal them unto babes: yea, Father; for so it was well-pleasing in thy sight. (CEV)  At that same time, Jesus felt the joy that comes from the Holy Spirit, and he said: My Father, Lord of heaven and earth, I am grateful that you hid all this from wise and educated people and showed it to ordinary people. Yes, Father, that is what pleased you. (DRB)  In that same hour, he rejoiced in the Holy Ghost and said: I confess to thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hidden these things from the wise and prudent and hast revealed them to little ones. Yea, Father, for so it hath seemed good in thy sight. (ESV)  In that same hour he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and said, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children; yes, Father, for such was your gracious will. (GNB)  At that time Jesus was filled with joy by the Holy Spirit and said, “Father, Lord of heaven and earth! I thank you because you have shown to the unlearned what you have hidden from the wise and learned. Yes, Father, this was how you were pleased to have it happen. (GW)  In that hour the Holy Spirit filled Jesus with joy. Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, for hiding these things from wise and intelligent people and revealing them to little children. Yes, Father, this is what pleased you. (KJV)  In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. (KJV+)  In1722 that846 hour5610 Jesus2424 rejoiced21 in spirit,4151 and2532 said,2036 I thank1843 thee,4671 O Father,3962 Lord2962 of heaven3772 and2532 earth,1093 that3754 thou hast hid613 these things5023 from575 the wise4680 and2532 prudent,4908 and2532 hast revealed601 them846 unto babes:3516 even so,3483 Father;3962 for3754 so3779 it seemed1096 good2107 in thy sight.1715, 4675 (KJVR)  In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. (LITV)  In the same hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit, and said, I praise You, Father, Lord of Heaven and of earth, that You hid these things from the sophisticated and cunning and revealed them to babes; yes, Father, because so it was pleasing before You. (MKJV)  In that hour Jesus rejoiced in Spirit and said, I thank You, Father, Lord of Heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the sophisticated and cunning, and have revealed them to babes. Yes, Father, for so it was pleasing before You. (MSG)  At that, Jesus rejoiced, exuberant in the Holy Spirit. “I thank you, Father, Master of heaven and earth, that you hid these things from the know-it-alls and showed them to these innocent newcomers. Yes, Father, it pleased you to do it this way. he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit, Jesus felt the joy that comes from the Holy Spirit, he rejoiced in the Holy Ghost he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit Jesus was filled with joy by the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit filled Jesus with joy. Jesus rejoiced in spirit Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit exuberant in the Holy Spirit. *When this happened what did Jesus say: “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth” The Holy Spirit~the Father, GOD, His God and Father Jn 4:24~made Jesus the Son of man Joyful. Did the Holy Spirit rejoice in Himself? Surely you can relate to the experance Jesus had, I know I can!  But I'm not the Holy Spirit.  The Holy Spirit IS God, John 4:24. IHN&L, Ken

K

The beginnig of the creation of God does not mean the Word had a beggining! It means he is the beginning of everything that came into being.

John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The all things does not include himself. Without him was *not anything* made that was made!

Again if Gods “Word” had a beginning, that would mean there was a time when God had no “Word”.

Seems to me you are the one being brainless here!

The Word/Jesus is from everlasting my friend!

Mic 5:2
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

You say…

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AGAIN: Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word [you say son] and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Nope! you are talking about someone else. I say what it says “The Word was God”.

How about you?

[NickHassan]

Hi W,
So God had a Word?
So God was not the Word?
The Word was with God

[kenrch]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2007,08:52)

Quote (kenrch @ July 08 2007,08:37) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2007,07:26) K You say… Quote Rev. 3:14 Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God. After God created the WORD everything was created by the WORD. So God created (according to this scripture) through His Word. Where is it written the “Word ” was created? So there was a time when God did not have a “Word”? So he was mindless without a word? W The Father creats through His Word. Before His Word did the Father exist? Rev 3:14  And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; What was the Father's first creation? I'll give you a hint everything was created through the Father's first creation. The Word came forth from the Father. Joh 16:27  For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. You may have been mindless before you spoke but I kinda doubt the Father was AGAIN: Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word [you say son] and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. You say the Holy Spirit is Jesus yet: Luk 10:21 (ASV)  In that same hour he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou didst hide these things from the wise and understanding, and didst reveal them unto babes: yea, Father; for so it was well-pleasing in thy sight. (CEV)  At that same time, Jesus felt the joy that comes from the Holy Spirit, and he said: My Father, Lord of heaven and earth, I am grateful that you hid all this from wise and educated people and showed it to ordinary people. Yes, Father, that is what pleased you. (DRB)  In that same hour, he rejoiced in the Holy Ghost and said: I confess to thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hidden these things from the wise and prudent and hast revealed them to little ones. Yea, Father, for so it hath seemed good in thy sight. (ESV)  In that same hour he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and said, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children; yes, Father, for such was your gracious will. (GNB)  At that time Jesus was filled with joy by the Holy Spirit and said, “Father, Lord of heaven and earth! I thank you because you have shown to the unlearned what you have hidden from the wise and learned. Yes, Father, this was how you were pleased to have it happen. (GW)  In that hour the Holy Spirit filled Jesus with joy. Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, for hiding these things from wise and intelligent people and revealing them to little children. Yes, Father, this is what pleased you. (KJV)  In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. (KJV+)  In1722 that846 hour5610 Jesus2424 rejoiced21 in spirit,4151 and2532 said,2036 I thank1843 thee,4671 O Father,3962 Lord2962 of heaven3772 and2532 earth,1093 that3754 thou hast hid613 these things5023 from575 the wise4680 and2532 prudent,4908 and2532 hast revealed601 them846 unto babes:3516 even so,3483 Father;3962 for3754 so3779 it seemed1096 good2107 in thy sight.1715, 4675 (KJVR)  In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. (LITV)  In the same hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit, and said, I praise You, Father, Lord of Heaven and of earth, that You hid these things from the sophisticated and cunning and revealed them to babes; yes, Father, because so it was pleasing before You. (MKJV)  In that hour Jesus rejoiced in Spirit and said, I thank You, Father, Lord of Heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the sophisticated and cunning, and have revealed them to babes. Yes, Father, for so it was pleasing before You. (MSG)  At that, Jesus rejoiced, exuberant in the Holy Spirit. “I thank you, Father, Master of heaven and earth, that you hid these things from the know-it-alls and showed them to these innocent newcomers. Yes, Father, it pleased you to do it this way. he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit, Jesus felt the joy that comes from the Holy Spirit, he rejoiced in the Holy Ghost he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit Jesus was filled with joy by the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit filled Jesus with joy. Jesus rejoiced in spirit Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit exuberant in the Holy Spirit. *When this happened what did Jesus say: “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth” The Holy Spirit~the Father, GOD, His God and Father Jn 4:24~made Jesus the Son of man Joyful. Did the Holy Spirit rejoice in Himself? Surely you can relate to the experance Jesus had, I know I can!  But I'm not the Holy Spirit.  The Holy Spirit IS God, John 4:24. IHN&L, Ken K The beginnig of the creation of God does not mean the Word had a beggining! It means he is the beginning of everything that came into being. John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. The all things does not include himself. Without him was *not anything* made that was made! Again if Gods “Word” had a beginning, that would mean there was a time when God had no “Word”. Seems to me you are the one being brainless here! The Word/Jesus is from everlasting my friend! Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. You say… Quote AGAIN: Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word [you say son] and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Nope! you are talking about someone else. I say what it says “The Word was God”. How about you?

“The beginnig of the creation of God does not mean the Word had a beggining! It means he is the beginning of everything that came into being.”

What was the beginning of everything? The Son?

The Word became the Son not the Son became the Word.

When you speak do you create the words? They come from you but first you create them in your mind.

God said light and there was light. If God had a begotten son in heaven what did He do? Where does it say The Father told the Son to make light? God spoke it but first He created it in His mind~get it~just as you created everything you said or typed.

God calls things that are not as though they were and so they become

IHN&L,

Ken

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (kenrch @ July 08 2007,09:08)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2007,08:52) Quote (kenrch @ July 08 2007,08:37) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2007,07:26) K You say… Quote Rev. 3:14 Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God. After God created the WORD everything was created by the WORD. So God created (according to this scripture) through His Word. Where is it written the “Word ” was created? So there was a time when God did not have a “Word”? So he was mindless without a word? W The Father creats through His Word. Before His Word did the Father exist? Rev 3:14  And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; What was the Father's first creation? I'll give you a hint everything was created through the Father's first creation. The Word came forth from the Father. Joh 16:27  For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. You may have been mindless before you spoke but I kinda doubt the Father was AGAIN: Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word [you say son] and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. You say the Holy Spirit is Jesus yet: Luk 10:21 (ASV)  In that same hour he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou didst hide these things from the wise and understanding, and didst reveal them unto babes: yea, Father; for so it was well-pleasing in thy sight. (CEV)  At that same time, Jesus felt the joy that comes from the Holy Spirit, and he said: My Father, Lord of heaven and earth, I am grateful that you hid all this from wise and educated people and showed it to ordinary people. Yes, Father, that is what pleased you. (DRB)  In that same hour, he rejoiced in the Holy Ghost and said: I confess to thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hidden these things from the wise and prudent and hast revealed them to little ones. Yea, Father, for so it hath seemed good in thy sight. (ESV)  In that same hour he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and said, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children; yes, Father, for such was your gracious will. (GNB)  At that time Jesus was filled with joy by the Holy Spirit and said, “Father, Lord of heaven and earth! I thank you because you have shown to the unlearned what you have hidden from the wise and learned. Yes, Father, this was how you were pleased to have it happen. (GW)  In that hour the Holy Spirit filled Jesus with joy. Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, for hiding these things from wise and intelligent people and revealing them to little children. Yes, Father, this is what pleased you. (KJV)  In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. (KJV+)  In1722 that846 hour5610 Jesus2424 rejoiced21 in spirit,4151 and2532 said,2036 I thank1843 thee,4671 O Father,3962 Lord2962 of heaven3772 and2532 earth,1093 that3754 thou hast hid613 these things5023 from575 the wise4680 and2532 prudent,4908 and2532 hast revealed601 them846 unto babes:3516 even so,3483 Father;3962 for3754 so3779 it seemed1096 good2107 in thy sight.1715, 4675 (KJVR)  In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. (LITV)  In the same hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit, and said, I praise You, Father, Lord of Heaven and of earth, that You hid these things from the sophisticated and cunning and revealed them to babes; yes, Father, because so it was pleasing before You. (MKJV)  In that hour Jesus rejoiced in Spirit and said, I thank You, Father, Lord of Heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the sophisticated and cunning, and have revealed them to babes. Yes, Father, for so it was pleasing before You. (MSG)  At that, Jesus rejoiced, exuberant in the Holy Spirit. “I thank you, Father, Master of heaven and earth, that you hid these things from the know-it-alls and showed them to these innocent newcomers. Yes, Father, it pleased you to do it this way. he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit, Jesus felt the joy that comes from the Holy Spirit, he rejoiced in the Holy Ghost he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit Jesus was filled with joy by the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit filled Jesus with joy. Jesus rejoiced in spirit Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit exuberant in the Holy Spirit. *When this happened what did Jesus say: “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth” The Holy Spirit~the Father, GOD, His God and Father Jn 4:24~made Jesus the Son of man Joyful. Did the Holy Spirit rejoice in Himself? Surely you can relate to the experance Jesus had, I know I can!  But I'm not the Holy Spirit.  The Holy Spirit IS God, John 4:24. IHN&L, Ken K The beginnig of the creation of God does not mean the Word had a beggining! It means he is the beginning of everything that came into being. John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. The all things does not include himself. Without him was *not anything* made that was made! Again if Gods “Word” had a beginning, that would mean there was a time when God had no “Word”. Seems to me you are the one being brainless here! The Word/Jesus is from everlasting my friend! Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. You say… Quote AGAIN: Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word [you say son] and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Nope! you are talking about s omeone else. I say what it says “The Word was God”. How about you? “The beginnig of the creation of God does not mean the Word had a beggining! It means he is the beginning of everything that came into being.” What was the beginning of everything? The Son? The Word became the Son not the Son became the Word. When you speak do you create the words?  They come from you but first you create them in your mind.   God said light and there was light. If God had a begotten son in heaven what did He do?  Where does it say The Father told the Son to make light?  God spoke it but first He created it in His mind~get it~just as you created everything you said or typed. God calls things that are not as though they were and so they become IHN&L, Ken

K

Jesus is and was the “Word” before he took on the likeness of sinfull flesh!

He was “With the Father”. And he was God!

So did God have a “Word” before Jesus?

[NickHassan]

Hi W,
Was God the Word?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 08 2007,09:40)

Hi W, Was God the Word?

NH

Exactly my point!

Jesus is called the Word of God! But he is not just a saying of God!

[942767]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2007,09:45)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 08 2007,09:40) Hi W, Was God the Word? NH Exactly my point! Jesus is called the Word of God! But he is not just a saying of God!

Hi WJ & Nick:

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Hebrews 1 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners SPAKE IN TIMES PAST UNTO THE FATHERS BY THE PROPHETS, 1:2 HATH IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN UNTO US BY HIS SON, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

[kenrch]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2007,09:34)

Quote (kenrch @ July 08 2007,09:08) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2007,08:52) Quote (kenrch @ July 08 2007,08:37) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2007,07:26) K You say… Quote Rev. 3:14 Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God. After God created the WORD everything was created by the WORD. So God created (according to this scripture) through His Word. Where is it written the “Word ” was created? So there was a time when God did not have a “Word”? So he was mindless without a word? W The Father creats through His Word. Before His Word did the Father exist? Rev 3:14  And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; What was the Father's first creation? I'll give you a hint everything was created through the Father's first creation. The Word came forth from the Father. Joh 16:27  For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. You may have been mindless before you spoke but I kinda doubt the Father was AGAIN: Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word [you say son] and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. You say the Holy Spirit is Jesus yet: Luk 10:21 (ASV)  In that same hour he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou didst hide these things from the wise and understanding, and didst reveal them unto babes: yea, Father; for so it was well-pleasing in thy sight. (CEV)  At that same time, Jesus felt the joy that comes from the Holy Spirit, and he said: My Father, Lord of heaven and earth, I am grateful that you hid all this from wise and educated people and showed it to ordinary people. Yes, Father, that is what pleased you. (DRB)  In that same hour, he rejoiced in the Holy Ghost and said: I confess to thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hidden these things from the wise and prudent and hast revealed them to little ones. Yea, Father, for so it hath seemed good in thy sight. (ESV)  In that same hour he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and said, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children; yes, Father, for such was your gracious will. (GNB)  At that time Jesus was filled with joy by the Holy Spirit and said, “Father, Lord of heaven and earth! I thank you because you have shown to the unlearned what you have hidden from the wise and learned. Yes, Father, this was how you were pleased to have it happen. (GW)  In that hour the Holy Spirit filled Jesus with joy. Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, for hiding these things from wise and intelligent people and revealing them to little children. Yes, Father, this is what pleased you. (KJV)  In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. (KJV+)  In1722 that846 hour5610 Jesus2424 rejoiced21 in spirit,4151 and2532 said,2036 I thank1843 thee,4671 O Father,3962 Lord2962 of heaven3772 and2532 earth,1093 that3754 thou hast hid613 these things5023 from575 the wise4680 and2532 prudent,4908 and2532 hast revealed601 them846 unto babes:3516 even so,3483 Father;3962 for3754 so3779 it seemed1096 good2107 in thy sight.1715, 4675 (KJVR)  In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. (LITV)  In the same hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit, and said, I praise You, Father, Lord of Heaven and of earth, that You hid these things from the sophisticated and cunning and revealed them to babes; yes, Father, because so it was pleasing before You. (MKJV)  In that hour Jesus rejoiced in Spirit and said, I thank You, Father, Lord of Heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the sophisticated and cunning, and have revealed them to babes. Yes, Father, for so it was pleasing before You. (MSG)  At that, Jesus rejoiced, exuberant in the Holy Spirit. “I thank you, Father, Master of heaven and earth, that you hid these things from the know-it-alls and showed them to these innocent newcomers. Yes, Father, it pleased you to do it this way. he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit, Jesus felt the joy that comes from the Holy Spirit, he rejoiced in the Holy Ghost he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit Jesus was filled with joy by the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit filled Jesus with joy. Jesus rejoiced in spirit Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit exuberant in the Holy Spirit. *When this happened what did Jesus say: “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth” The Holy Spirit~the Father, GOD, His God and Father Jn 4:24~made Jesus the Son of man Joyful. Did the Holy Spirit rejoice in Himself? Surely you can relate to the experance Jesus had, I know I can!  But I'm not the Holy Spirit.  The Holy Spirit IS God, John 4:24. IHN&L, Ken K The beginnig of the creation of God does not mean the Word had a beggining! It means he is the beginning of everything that came into being. John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. The all things does not include himself. Without him was *not anything* made that was made! Again if Gods “Word” had a beginning, that would mean there was a time when God had no “Word”. Seems to me you are the one being brainless here! The Word/Jesus is from everlasting my friend! Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. You say… AGAIN: Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word [you say son] and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Quote Nope! you are talking about someone else. I say what it says “The Word was God”. How about you? “The beginnig of the creation of God does not mean the Word had a beggining! It means he is the beginning of everything that came into being.” What was the beginning of everything? The Son? The Word became the Son not the Son became the Word. When you speak do you create the words?  They come from you but first you create them in your mind.   God said light and there was light. If God had a begotten son in heaven what did He do?  Where does it say The Father told the Son to make light?  God spoke it but first He created it in His mind~get it~just as you created everything you said or typed. God calls things that are not as though they were and so they become IHN&L, Ken

K

Jesus is and was the “Word” before he took on the likeness of sinfull flesh!

He was “With the Father”. And he was God!

So did God have a “Word” before Jesus?

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Jesus is and was the “Word” before he took on the likeness of sinfull flesh!

I thought you said Jesus is the Holy Spirit?

W, The Word became Jesus. Jesus did not exist before the Word. IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD where does it say Jesus existed before the the very Word of the Father.

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So did God have a “Word” before Jesus?

Did the chicken come before the egg?

God uses the WORD to create. Jesus became that WORD. Where was the Son of man before the Word?

Jesus made the two one.

The Word and the Son of man are ONE in the same being who has the Spirit of the Father~the Holy Spirit.

Eph 2:15 by abolishing the law of commandments and ordinances, that he might

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create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,

IHN&L,

Ken

[NickHassan]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2007,09:45)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 08 2007,09:40) Hi W, Was God the Word? NH Exactly my point! Jesus is called the Word of God! But he is not just a saying of God!

Hi W,
So God was not and is not the Word

[NickHassan]

Quote (942767 @ July 08 2007,10:04)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2007,09:45) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 08 2007,09:40) Hi W, Was God the Word? NH Exactly my point! Jesus is called the Word of God! But he is not just a saying of God! Hi WJ & Nick: Quote Hebrews 1       1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners SPAKE IN TIMES PAST UNTO THE FATHERS BY THE PROPHETS,   1:2 HATH IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN UNTO US BY HIS SON, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Hi 94,
So God spoke through His Son.
And as an aside God also made the worlds through His Son.
He sent that monogenes Son into the world that the world he made might be saved through him.
Instead men worship the Son.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 08 2007,10:29)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2007,09:45) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 08 2007,09:40) Hi W, Was God the Word? NH Exactly my point! Jesus is called the Word of God! But he is not just a saying of God! Hi W, So God was not and is not the Word

NH

Jesus is the Word but he is not just the saying of God!

The Word has always been with God and the Word was God!

Jesus speaks the “Word of God” so does that mean everytime he speaks there is another Jesus?

[NickHassan]

Hi W,
So God is and was not ever the Word.
So why would you teach that Christ is God?
He is the Son of God.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 08 2007,10:38)

Hi W, So God is and was not ever the Word. So why would you teach that Christ is God? He is the Son of God.

NH

I think you have brain damage!

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