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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2014,18:39) Hi MB,
SAY HE WASN'T?
Surely you need to find one that says he WASOnly the ANOINTED man is called Jesus Christ.
I didn't mention the word “Christ” in my comment, Nick. But just so you know, Jesus was born the Christ. (Matthew 1:18, 2:4; Luke 2:11, 2:26, etc.)And it is not ME who needs to find the scripture, but those who claim to know he WASN'T named “Jesus” before he was flesh.
Let me explain:
If today God decided to cause Gabriel to be born of a human woman, and told that human woman to name him “Gabriel” when he was born – would that mean his name hadn't already BEEN “Gabriel” for millions of years in heaven prior to being born as a human? NO.
But in the case of Jesus, people just ASSUME that is the case, and then claim it as if it is fact.
In the case of Jesus, God caused His firstborn spirit Son to be born of a woman, and told them to name him “Jesus” when he was born of flesh. None of that prohibits his name from having already BEEN “Jesus” since the day God brought him forth as the first of His works.
So if you want to make that claim, then YOU need to prove that claim. I'm not saying with certainty that his name WASN'T Jesus before he was flesh – but I don't see any scriptural information that suggests he needed to be given a different earthly name than the one he already had in heaven.
Get it? I'm not saying Wakeup is WRONG. I'm just saying he is making an ASSUMPTION – for which there are no scriptural facts.
Hi MB,
Indeed he was known prophetically as the Christ before his anointing
His destiny was foreknown.Your name before birth idea is just presumptive
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2014,18:54) Hi MB,
The geneology of the MAN Jesus of Nazareth is well shown in scripture.“is this not the carpenter, the son of Mary…”Mk 6.3
The carpenter became a miracle worker full of wisdom and grace by his anointing of the Spirit- JESUS CHRIST
Still a man [Acts 2.22f] but with connections after the Jordan to before time
And what about John 6? “Isn't this Jesus, whose family we know? How then can he now say he came down from heaven?”It seems you only know a part of Jesus of Nazareth, Nick.
I know the human being that you know, but I also know the spirit being who came down from heaven to do the will of He who sent him into the world, and who later ascended back to where he was before right before the eyes of the disciples – just like he said he would.
Hi MB,
God wants us to know His power.
That is what the whole of the bible is about.
But men prefer to look at glorification instead of human vesselsQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2014,18:57) Your name before birth idea is just presumptive
Is it? Because I know of scriptures that say God created all things through “Jesus Christ”.How could that be if there was no “Jesus Christ” when God created those things?
Like I said, I won't say he WAS named Jesus before being made in the likeness of a human being – because I can't be certain of it.
But neither can any of those who claim that he WASN'T named “Jesus” until he was born of Mary be certain of that claim.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2014,18:59) Hi MB, Do all MEN pre-exist?
hmmm
No Nick,Only the ones who say they came down from heaven, and will ascend to where they were before.
Hi MB,
So two beings??
“It seems you only know a part of Jesus of Nazareth, Nick.I know the human being that you know, but I also know the spirit being who came down from heaven to do the will of He who sent him into the world, and who later ascended back to where he was before right before the eyes of the disciples – just like he said he would.”
Hi MB,
When scripture speaks of Jesus Christ it speaks of the wonderful vessel AND the glorious contentsQuote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 06 2014,11:58) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2014,18:54) Hi MB,
The geneology of the MAN Jesus of Nazareth is well shown in scripture.“is this not the carpenter, the son of Mary…”Mk 6.3
The carpenter became a miracle worker full of wisdom and grace by his anointing of the Spirit- JESUS CHRIST
Still a man [Acts 2.22f] but with connections after the Jordan to before time
And what about John 6? “Isn't this Jesus, whose family we know? How then can he now say he came down from heaven?”It seems you only know a part of Jesus of Nazareth, Nick.
I know the human being that you know, but I also know the spirit being who came down from heaven to do the will of He who sent him into the world, and who later ascended back to where he was before right before the eyes of the disciples – just like he said he would.
Hi MB,
The anointed man is still confusing folks.Mike B.
The name Jesus was never mentioned in the OT.
Because He was not yet born in the flesh.
He will also come again with His name;which is not really a name. THE WORD OF GOD.
God will not give away this mystery too easily.
We will see Him as He is,when we are in spirit form.wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2014,19:10) Hi MB,
So two beings??
Nope. He has always been the same one being, Nick…….. from the moment God created him as the first of His works, and gave him glory before the world began.Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 05 2014,19:24) Mike B. The name Jesus was never mentioned in the OT.
Because He was not yet born in the flesh.
He will also come again with His name;which is not really a name. THE WORD OF GOD.
God will not give away this mystery too easily.
We will see Him as He is,when we are in spirit form.wakeup.
I agree with all of that, Wakeup. But I don't see how any of it leads you to conclude with certainty that he wasn't already named “Jesus” before he became flesh.You can think that. I just wouldn't go around claiming it with any certainty – because the truth is that neither of us know for sure.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2014,19:12) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 06 2014,11:58)
And what about John 6? “Isn't this Jesus, whose family we know? How then can he now say he came down from heaven?”
Hi MB,
The anointed man is still confusing folks.
Nick,How was Jesus able to say he came down from heaven, and would soon ascend back to where he was before?
And why did this teaching baffle those who had been thinking that he was just a regular old man?
Better yet – why DOESN'T that teaching baffle you – since you think the same thing?
Hi,
Folks don't seem to see that what happened with Jesus was a new thing, a new creation, that we are meant to become part of.Hi MB,
Seems like two beings from what you said
“I know the human being that you know, but I also know the spirit being who came down from heaven”
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