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Quote (Ed J @ April 06 2014,11:45) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 07 2014,02:57)
Consider Matthew 22:30, Ed. Do you suppose Jesus is talking about those who are resurrected to a life on earth? Or only about those who are resurrected to heaven?
Hi Mike,I say that it is a JW fallacy that there will be two classes resurrected.
So what's the answer then? There will be no more humans on the new earth? No more children being born?Help me out here. Because if everyone who is resurrected is to become like the angels, then there will be no more marriages or childbirth, right?
I seem to recall scriptures that speak of families and lineages and newborn children in the new earth.
Quote (Ed J @ April 06 2014,11:49) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 07 2014,03:02) Quote (Ed J @ April 05 2014,22:13) Do you also believe as Wakeup does that “Born Again” means Resurrection?
Yes, Ed.I believe Jesus was teaching Nicodemus about a LITERAL rebirth that was required before a human being could enter into heaven.
I don't think Peter was talking about a literal rebirth when he considered himself to be “born again” while he was still a flesh human being.
Hi Mike,I guess our beliefs differ on that too then.
I believe in both cases “Born Again” means to be baptized
with God's HolySpirit, which causes a renewing of our mind.
Now gosh-dang-it Ed, this is a good scriptural discussion! This is what HN is supposed to be about!
I have always understood Jesus' words in John 3 to be literal, since he contrasts the phrase “flesh gives birth to flesh” with the phrase “spirit gives birth to spirit”.
We know that flesh LITERALLY gives birth to flesh, right? And I believe that flesh LITERALLY cannot enter into heaven – which is a spirit realm.
These are some of the reasons for my understanding.
Tell my why you believe Jesus was speaking metaphorically to Nicodemus.
Quote (Ed J @ April 06 2014,11:52) Hi Mike, Adam was made from dirt.
Yes. But that doesn't change what I said, Eddy.If God was Adam's ONLY parent, yet Adam wasn't “God”, or “a god”, then God being ONE of Jesus' parents wouldn't necessarily make Jesus “half God”, or even “half god”.
God can raise up children for Himself out of stones if He wants to. That doesn't mean those children would be “half God/half stone” beings, right?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 07 2014,05:52) So what's the answer then? (1) There will be no more humans on the new earth? (2) No more children being born? Help me out here. (3) Because if everyone who is resurrected is to become like the angels, then there will be no more marriages or (4) childbirth, right?
(5) I seem to recall scriptures that speak of families and lineages and newborn children in the new earth.
Hi Wakeup,1) I believe (in the resurrection) we will all be on the earth
and also able to go everywhere else in the universe as well.
2) Probably no more children, but maybe there will be as I don't know.3) No more marriages, because till death do they part.
4) I believe there will be sex though, because the Angels are
said to have brought forth offspring with the daughters of men.5) I'd like to see it, because I don't know one way or the other.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ April 07 2014,06:00) Quote (Ed J @ April 06 2014,11:49) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 07 2014,03:02) Quote (Ed J @ April 05 2014,22:13) Do you also believe as Wakeup does that “Born Again” means Resurrection?
Yes, Ed.I believe Jesus was teaching Nicodemus about a LITERAL rebirth that was required before a human being could enter into heaven.
I don't think Peter was talking about a literal rebirth when he considered himself to be “born again” while he was still a flesh human being.
Hi Mike,I guess our beliefs differ on that too then.
I believe in both cases “Born Again” means to be baptized
with God's HolySpirit, which causes a renewing of our mind.
Now gosh-dang-it Ed, this is a good scriptural discussion! This is what HN is supposed to be about!I have always understood Jesus' words in John 3 to be literal, since he contrasts the phrase “flesh gives birth to flesh” with the phrase “spirit gives birth to spirit”.
We know that flesh LITERALLY gives birth to flesh, right? (1) And I believe that flesh LITERALLY cannot enter into heaven – which is a spirit realm.
These are some of the reasons for my understanding.
(2) Tell my why you believe Jesus was speaking metaphorically to Nicodemus.
Hi Mike,1) Flesh and bone doesn't enter into heaven because heaven
enters into flesh and bone instead, thus “Born Again”.2) Spiritually, not metaphorically.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ April 07 2014,06:06) Quote (Ed J @ April 06 2014,11:52) Hi Mike, Adam was made from dirt.
Yes. But that doesn't change what I said, Eddy.(1) If God was Adam's ONLY parent, yet Adam wasn't “God”, or “a god”, then (2) God being ONE of Jesus' parents wouldn't necessarily make Jesus “half God”, or even “half god”.
3) God can raise up children for Himself out of stones if He wants to. That doesn't mean those children would be “half God/half stone” beings, right?
Hi Mike,1) Adam didn't have any parents, while Jesus had both a Father and a mother.
2) What did they call the baby made from an Indian and a White? Answer, half-bread; that is 50% Indian, and 50% White.
3) Ha ha ha ha, that is like foster children – not applicable.
4) Also consider Tiger Woods, he is considered black though he is really only half-black.
I believe the same applies to Jesus being called Human, though his Father is God.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2014,08:54) Hi ED,
There will be no need for earthly sex if we are blessed in much better ways.
SpeculationHi Nick,
“no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly” (Psalms 84:11)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed,
1Cor 7
26 I think then that this is good in view of the [o]present distress, that it is good for a man [p]to remain as he is. 27 Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be released. Are you released from a wife? Do not seek a wife. 28 But if you marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. Yet such will have [q]trouble in this life, and I am trying to spare you. 29 But this I say, brethren, the time has been shortened, so that from now on those who have wives should be as though they had none; 30 and those who weep, as though they did not weep; and those who rejoice, as though they did not rejoice; and those who buy, as though they did not possess; 31 and those who use the world, as though they did not make full use of it; for the form of this world is passing away.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2014,09:01) Hi Ed,
1Cor 7
26 I think then that this is good in view of the [o]present distress, that it is good for a man [p]to remain as he is. 27 Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be released. Are you released from a wife? Do not seek a wife. 28 But if you marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. Yet such will have [q]trouble in this life, and I am trying to spare you. 29 But this I say, brethren, the time has been shortened, so that from now on those who have wives should be as though they had none; 30 and those who weep, as though they did not weep; and those who rejoice, as though they did not rejoice; and those who buy, as though they did not possess; 31 and those who use the world, as though they did not make full use of it; for the form of this world is passing away.
Hi Nick,That's the Apostle Paul's (Shaool) opinion, rather than a command of God.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2014,09:02) Hi ED,
Flesh is of the present time
What angels did was abhorrent to God and not an example to us.
Hi Nick,Are you suggesting that God is against sex?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed,
Eph 5
31 For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and shall be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. 32 This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church. 33 Nevertheless, each individual among you also is to love his own wife even as himself, and the wife must see to it that she [a]respects her husband.One forever ?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2014,09:08) Hi ED,
God has a purpose for it while we are flesh.
Flesh has no permanent place in the kingdom
Hi Nick,Are you suggesting Jesus was not resurrected in a physical body?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed,
Should we have the world's attitude to sex?29 But this I say, brethren, the time has been shortened, so that from now on those who have wives should be as though they had none;
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2014,09:16) Hi Ed,
(1) Should we have the world's attitude to sex?(2) 29 But this I say, brethren, the time has been shortened, so that from now on those who have wives should be as though they had none;
Hi Nick,1) No
2) Please cite where verses you quote are coming from, OK?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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