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Quote (Ed J @ April 06 2014,15:13)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 06 2014,05:32)

Quote (Ed J @ April 04 2014,22:04)

Hi Wakeup,

Are you suggesting that you will not have
God's divine nature until you are resurrected?

Ed,

The teaching Jesus gave to Nicodemus is about being born of something other than flesh in order to see or enter the kingdom of heaven.

This must be a LITERAL rebirth of spirit, and not flesh.

Don't confuse this with the metaphorical “born again” that comes from giving your fleshly life over to serving God and His Christ.

Wakeup is talking about the LITERAL “born again”, and not the METAPHORICAL one.

Hi Wakeup,

Do you also believe as Wakeup does that “Born Again” means Resurrection?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EdJ.

You believe that born again is at baptism in water.yes.

And then Jesus will spue them so called born again;out of His mouth.

And you believe that angels are 50% spirit and 50%
flesh. What other strange doctrine do you have on your plate?
Jesus is also 50-50.

Sorry; No flesh can enter heaven.
The flesh of Christ and his blood is what we eat,and drink.
Spiritual food and drink. We are not encouraged to cannibalize.

wakeup.

April 6, 2014 at 4:42 am#376513

NickHassan

Participant

Hi WU,
Rubbish.
Repentance and baptism are is the required preparation for the blessing of rebirth.

April 6, 2014 at 4:44 am#376514

NickHassan

Participant

Hi WU,
Mt 13
47 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet cast into the sea, and gathering fish of every kind; 48 and when it was filled, they drew it up on the beach; and they sat down and gathered the good fish into containers, but the bad they threw away.

April 6, 2014 at 4:47 am#376516

Participant

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 06 2014,15:44)

Nick.
yeah; we dont want puffer fish.

wakeup.

April 6, 2014 at 4:50 am#376517

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Quote (Wakeup @ April 06 2014,15:39)

Quote (Ed J @ April 06 2014,15:13)

Hi Mike (corrected name),

Do you also believe as Wakeup does that “Born Again” means Resurrection?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EdJ.

(1) You believe that born again is at baptism in water.yes.

(2) And then Jesus will spue them so called born again;out of His mouth.

(3) And you believe that angels are 50% spirit and 50%
flesh. (4) What other strange doctrine do you have on your plate?
(5) Jesus is also 50-50.

(6) Sorry; No flesh can enter heaven.
(7) The flesh of Christ and his blood is what we eat,and drink.
Spiritual food and drink. We are not encouraged to cannibalize.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

1) No

2) No

3) I said both of Spirit and flesh, but I did not say 50% of each.
4) spin
5) The bible declares Jesus Father is GOD and his mother is Mary, sorry if you believe differently.

6) Heaven is spiritual rather than fleshly
7) YEA, in this we agree.

Do you then agree that Christ in his flesh was also spirit? (<– please answer)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 6, 2014 at 4:58 am#376519

NickHassan

Participant

Hi WU,
Even those caught in the net of God may be thrown back if they prove to be useless.

April 6, 2014 at 5:14 am#376526

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 06 2014,15:58)

Hi WU,
Even those caught in the net of God may be thrown back if they prove to be useless.

Hi Nick,

Wakeup is indeed caught in God's net. (Link) (see Eccl.9:12)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 6, 2014 at 5:31 am#376533

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Quote (Ed J @ April 06 2014,15:50)

Quote (Wakeup @ April 06 2014,15:39)

Quote (Ed J @ April 06 2014,15:13)

Hi Mike (corrected name),

Do you also believe as Wakeup does that “Born Again” means Resurrection?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EdJ.

(1) You believe that born again is at baptism in water.yes.

(2) And then Jesus will spue them so called born again;out of His mouth.

(3) And you believe that angels are 50% spirit and 50%
flesh. (4) What other strange doctrine do you have on your plate?
(5) Jesus is also 50-50.

(6) Sorry; No flesh can enter heaven.
(7) The flesh of Christ and his blood is what we eat,and drink.
Spiritual food and drink. We are not encouraged to cannibalize.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

1) No

2) No

3) I said both of Spirit and flesh, but I did not say 50% of each.
4) spin
5) The bible declares Jesus Father is GOD and his mother is Mary, sorry if you believe differently.

6) Heaven is spiritual rather than fleshly
7) YEA, in this we agree.

Do you then agree that Christ in his flesh was also spirit? (<– please answer)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EdJ.

Jesus was in the flesh,and had the fullness of God in Him.
He was truly flesh. A Holy man.A sinless man.
He is now fully spirit. The flesh has been sacrificed for the world.It's given away: no more.

wakeup.

April 6, 2014 at 5:35 am#376534

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Quote (Wakeup @ April 06 2014,16:31)

Quote (Ed J @ April 06 2014,15:50)

Hi Wakeup,

Do you then agree that Christ in his flesh was also spirit?

EdJ.

Jesus was in the flesh,and had the fullness of God in Him.
He was truly flesh. A Holy man.A sinless man.
He is now fully spirit. The flesh has been sacrificed for the world.It's given away: no more.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Is that a “yes” I do agree?
– or –
Is that a “no” I don't agree?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 6, 2014 at 5:41 am#376535

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Quote (Wakeup @ April 06 2014,16:31)

EdJ.

Jesus was in the flesh,and had the fullness of God in Him.
He was truly flesh. A Holy man.A sinless man.
He is now fully spirit. The flesh has been sacrificed for the world.It's given away: no more.

wakeup.

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die,
it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.” (John 12:24)

April 6, 2014 at 3:06 pm#376598

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Quote (Ed J @ April 06 2014,16:41)

Quote (Wakeup @ April 06 2014,16:31)

EdJ.

Jesus was in the flesh,and had the fullness of God in Him.
He was truly flesh. A Holy man.A sinless man.
He is now fully spirit. The flesh has been sacrificed for the world.It's given away: no more.

wakeup.

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die,
it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.” (John 12:24)

EdJ.

Jesus was truly human with the spirit in Him.
We are truly human with the HS in us.
There is the terrestrial body and the celestial.
The heavenly, and the earthly.
There is no 50/50. nor earthly/heavenly.

Satan and his angels are not flesh and spirit.

You are making things up.

April 6, 2014 at 3:52 pm#376603

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 05 2014,13:25)

Hi MB,
You say
“Ed, you can be metaphorically “born again” when you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior and King.”

Where is this rebirth spoken of?

Intellectual ACCEPTANCE of the fact that Jesus Christ IS Lord of all changes nothing

This is the “born again” Peter speaks of in 1 Peter 1:23, Nick.

This is a different “born again” than the one Jesus taught to Nicodemus in John 3.

Jesus was speaking about a LITERAL rebirth of spirit and water in order to enter into the kingdom of heaven….. because flesh cannot enter that place.

Peter was not speaking literally – which should be obvious from the fact that Peter was still a flesh being when he said those words.

April 6, 2014 at 3:57 pm#376605

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Quote (Ed J @ April 05 2014,22:10)

2) I believe Angels were both flesh and Spirit
as we shall be also in the resurrection. (see Matt.22:30)

Really? I thought Kerwin was the ONLY one in the world who believed angels were flesh beings.

Consider Matthew 22:30, Ed. Do you suppose Jesus is talking about those who are resurrected to a life on earth? Or only about those who are resurrected to heaven?

I believe the latter, since those who will dwell on earth after the resurrection will continue to marry and produce flesh offspring. This is something the heavenly have never done, but the fleshy will continue to do.

What say you?

April 6, 2014 at 4:02 pm#376606

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Quote (Ed J @ April 05 2014,22:13)

Do you also believe as Wakeup does that “Born Again” means Resurrection?

Yes, Ed.

I believe Jesus was teaching Nicodemus about a LITERAL rebirth that was required before a human being could enter into heaven.

I don't think Peter was talking about a literal rebirth when he considered himself to be “born again” while he was still a flesh human being.

April 6, 2014 at 4:09 pm#376607

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Quote (Ed J @ April 05 2014,22:32)

Hi Wakeup,

You say you can “see the Kingdom of God” but you also say that you are not “Born Again”??

This teaching of yours (and I guess Mike also) is in stark contradiction to Jesus words in John 3:3, will you please try to explain why YOU are right and Jesus is (according to you) wrong?

Slow down there, Sunshine.

I have never claimed to be able to see the kingdom of heaven. I can “see it” in my mind's eye, but I don't suppose I will ever literally be able to see it unless I am one of those chosen to be born again of spirit and water instead of flesh.

April 6, 2014 at 4:15 pm#376609

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Quote (Ed J @ April 05 2014,23:35)

Quote (Wakeup @ April 06 2014,16:31)

Quote (Ed J @ April 06 2014,15:50)

Hi Wakeup,

Do you then agree that Christ in his flesh was also spirit?

EdJ.

Jesus was in the flesh,and had the fullness of God in Him.
He was truly flesh. A Holy man.A sinless man.
He is now fully spirit. The flesh has been sacrificed for the world.It's given away: no more.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Is that a “yes” I do agree?
– or –
Is that a “no” I don't agree?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Christ in his flesh was filled with spirit, as all flesh human beings are. He also had the added pleasure of being given God's Holy Spirit without limit – which none of us have (without limit).

But he wasn't “half God/half man”, Ed.

God being Adam's ONLY parent didn't make Adam 100% God, right? So God being the direct Father of Jesus didn't make Jesus 50% God.

April 6, 2014 at 5:45 pm#376621

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 07 2014,02:57)

Quote (Ed J @ April 05 2014,22:10)

2) I believe Angels were both flesh and Spirit
as we shall be also in the resurrection. (see Matt.22:30)

Really? I thought Kerwin was the ONLY one in the world who believed angels were flesh beings.

Consider Matthew 22:30, Ed. Do you suppose Jesus is talking about those who are resurrected to a life on earth? Or only about those who are resurrected to heaven?

What say you?

Hi Mike,

I say that it is a JW fallacy that there will be two classes resurrected.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 6, 2014 at 5:49 pm#376622

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 07 2014,03:02)

Quote (Ed J @ April 05 2014,22:13)

Do you also believe as Wakeup does that “Born Again” means Resurrection?

Yes, Ed.

I believe Jesus was teaching Nicodemus about a LITERAL rebirth that was required before a human being could enter into heaven.

I don't think Peter was talking about a literal rebirth when he considered himself to be “born again” while he was still a flesh human being.

Hi Mike,

I guess our beliefs differ on that too then.

I believe in both cases “Born Again” means to be baptized
with God's HolySpirit, which causes a renewing of our mind.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 6, 2014 at 5:51 pm#376623

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 07 2014,03:09)

Quote (Ed J @ April 05 2014,22:32)

Hi Wakeup,

You say you can “see the Kingdom of God” but you also say that you are not “Born Again”??

This teaching of yours (~~and I guess Mike also~~) is in stark contradiction to Jesus words in John 3:3, will you please try to explain why YOU are right and Jesus is (according to you) wrong?

Slow down there, Sunshine.

Hi Mikel,

OK, fixed.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 6, 2014 at 5:52 pm#376624