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Hi WJ,
If Jesus is truly your Lord why do you teach beyond his words that God is a trinity?
Would he approve such rashness?Quote (Gene @ July 22 2009,03:47) WJ…………Spirit is not a He it is an (IT), it is the intellect of GOD, not a separate person or being as TRINITARIANS think. IMO peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Make up your mind Gene. First you say that the Word is intellect. Now you say that the Spirit is intellect. Geez!thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 21 2009,17:08) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 22 2009,04:18) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 21 2009,12:03) Hi WJ,
So the Spirit of God poured out is now also the Spirit of Christ and the will of God is that His Spirit would also enliven us in Him in Christ.
Hi NHSo God's Spirit became Jesus Spirit?
Is there a scripture for that?
WJ
Hi WJ,
The Lord is the Spirit.
Lord in the NT refers to Jesus Christ.
NHThat is not the question.
Where is the scripture that claims Jesus became the Spirit of God.
But thank you for admitting that Jesus is the Spirit, God is Spirit and since there is only One Spirit, well you just claimed Jesus is God!
WJ
Hi WJ,
The Lord is the Spirit.
Jesus has died and now lives only in the Spirit of God.
But we are promised the Father and Jesus will come to us and to fellowship with them we need to abide in the scripures.[Jn14-16, 2Jn2]Why do you threaten your relationship by teaching outside of what your Lord Jesus taught?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 22 2009,03:54) Quote (Gene @ July 21 2009,11:47) WJ…………Spirit is not a He it is an (IT), it is the intellect of GOD, not a separate person or being as TRINITARIANS think. IMO peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Hi GBThanks for your opinion, but it is not scriptural.
“Now the Lord is the Spirit“, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 2 Cor 3:17
Can you give us a scripture that says God is an it or an intellect?
WJ
Greetings WJ…..How About….The Spirit is the essense of God, simply because, God is a spirit being…Iam sure that is scriptual….How about all things were created by his Word he simply willed it and it was created (let there be light and there was light) I believe that is scriptual…The Eternal is YHWH and there is no other….I believe that is scriptual…So as you can see there is only one and he creates by virtue of will/word he is spirit and he is the IAM that IAM…Jesus name follower of Christ wrote:
Quote If I get u right Jesus had the spirit of sonship? wasn't He the son?
Jesus is God’s Son because the Spirit makes him God’s Son just as it makes those who believe that Jesus is the Anointed One of God God’s sons.
God is spirit and it is through the spirit one is his child and not through the flesh.
Jesus is the son of David as to his flesh but his Spirit is God’s Spirit just as those that believe in him will also have God Spirit as their spirit.
Quote (theodorej @ July 21 2009,22:05) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 22 2009,03:54) Quote (Gene @ July 21 2009,11:47) WJ…………Spirit is not a He it is an (IT), it is the intellect of GOD, not a separate person or being as TRINITARIANS think. IMO peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Hi GBThanks for your opinion, but it is not scriptural.
“Now the Lord is the Spirit“, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 2 Cor 3:17
Can you give us a scripture that says God is an it or an intellect?
WJ
Greetings WJ…..How About….The Spirit is the essense of God, simply because, God is a spirit being…Iam sure that is scriptual….How about all things were created by his Word he simply willed it and it was created (let there be light and there was light) I believe that is scriptual…The Eternal is YHWH and there is no other….I believe that is scriptual…So as you can see there is only one and he creates by virtue of will/word he is spirit and he is the IAM that IAM…
HiHow about the Spirit is God!
God is Spirit! The Lord is that Spirit!
How would that equate to God being an it or an intellect?
WJ
Quote (kerwin @ July 22 2009,17:15) Jesus name follower of Christ wrote: Quote If I get u right Jesus had the spirit of sonship? wasn't He the son?
Jesus is God’s Son because the Spirit makes him God’s Son just as it makes those who believe that Jesus is the Anointed One of God God’s sons.
God is spirit and it is through the spirit one is his child and not through the flesh.
Jesus is the son of David as to his flesh but his Spirit is God’s Spirit just as those that believe in him will also have God Spirit as their spirit.
amenHi WJ,
Do you really believe the Spirit of God Himself separated from Him and somehow became another person?
Does your spirit do that?Jesus name follower of Christ wrote:
Quote GOD JESUS AND THE HOLY GHOST is the same person
That is not what Jesus states. He state that God is his father and his God.
What does the phrase Spirit of God mean?
It means God’s spirit and his spirit is to him in the same way your spirit is you.
Of course the English translation is imprecise and leaves the possibility that scripture is speaking of an angel. I doubt that is the case though.
I have no idea why the Hebrews considered a spirit, whether yours or God’s, feminine. Then the Hebrew speakers of those times did not speak English or think according to our culture.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 22 2009,13:59) Hi KW,
God is also his physical father.
How is that possible since according to scripture God is Spirit and therefore does not have a physical form.Jesus is the physical son of David not God, though God created him.
Jesus is the Son of God in Spirit.
John 4:23-24(KJV) reads:
Quote But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Hi KW,
How is not the issue that should intrigue us as it is not our business.
What is written is that the child was conceived of the Spirit of God.[mt 1.20]
You should believe what scripture says unless you can offer solid proof is has been addled.Nick Hassan wrote:
Quote How is not the issue that should intrigue us as it is not our business?
I am in disagreement with you here since we know God is not a God of contradictions and I am asking you to resolve a contradiction between what scripture states and what you believe.
God is Spirit and he has not physical form and therefore is not Jesus’ physical father but he is instead Jesus’ Spiritual Father.
In addition scripture is clear that Jesus is physically a descendant of David by way of his mother Mary.
Romans 1:3-4(KJV) reads:
Quote Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
Sarx was the Greek word translated “flesh” instead of the “sarkinos” but they seem to be similar words with similar meaning much like “flesh” and “carnal”. In either case going by the context this scripture seems to be speaking of the physical, earthly, body.
Nick Hassan wrote:
Quote What is written is that the child was conceived of the Spirit of God.
Here is what is written.
Luke 1:35(KJV) reads:
Quote And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Matthew 1:18(KJV) reads:
Quote Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Matthew 1:20(KJV) reads:
Quote But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
I believe you are interpreting this to mean that Jesus was fathered by the Holy Ghost and not that she conceived Jesus by the power of God who acted through the Holy Ghost.
I do not see Hebrews who only believe in one God as seeing it as you do and Matthew as a Hebrew. I can certainly see how the Greeks and Romans with their prior belief in polytheism would interpret it so.
Nick Hassan wrote:
Quote You should believe what scripture says unless you can offer solid proof is has been addled.
Scripture is fine, as it is your point of view of it is that I am questioning. I state this because you are declaring God has a physical form though scripture states God is Spirit. In addition scripture declares that Jesus is the physical son of David and yet you declare Jesus is the physical son of God. That puts you in contradiction of scripture on both of these points.
Hi KW,
Are you saying that the God of creation could not do what scripture says He did through His Spirit?
Should we limit our expectations of God's abilities to what you are comfortable with??Kirwin………………you have it right, Nick doesn't realize what Spirit IS. Jesus said (NO) man has seen GOD at anytime. Why because HE IS spirit and no one can see Spirit, because it is INTELLECT and resides in the Mind. That is why Jesus said the Kingdom of GOD come not with Observation but is within you, and again “let this (MIND) which (IS) Intellect, be in you, that was in Christ Jesus our lord. And again if this mind be in you (IT) will quicken you mortal body. Spirit is (NOT) a body or a being it is pure INTELLECT. There is (HOLY SPIRIT) or HOLY INTELLECT and There is Lower intellect but that which is from above is HOLY INTELLECT. The Spirit (intellect) in a body is a soul . But when a body dies the intellect returns to him who gave it. Them man is HIS thoughts even as GOD is HIS thoughts. None of this is physical visible, only the effects are. We are animated by our thoughts, and if those thought are of GOD'S INTELLECT we will produce the Fruits of that. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene
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