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Hi Colter,
Concerning the UB: do you believe that it 'trumps' “The Bible”?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ April 24 2012,14:52) Hi Colter, Concerning the UB: do you believe that it 'trumps' “The Bible”?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Which cannon, which interpretation, which translation, from which Orthodox church?I believe the Urantia Book to be the latest, most authoritative revelation of truth. But the UB itself includes a disclaimer:
“The Urantia Papers. The papers, of which this is one, constitute the most recent presentation of truth to the mortals of Urantia. These papers differ from all previous revelations, for they are not the work of a single universe personality but a composite presentation by many beings. But no revelation short of the attainment of the Universal Father can ever be complete. All other celestial ministrations are no more than partial, transient, and practically adapted to local conditions in time and space. While such admissions as this may possibly detract from the immediate force and authority of all revelations, the time has arrived on Urantia when it is advisable to make such frank statements, even at the risk of weakening the future influence and authority of this, the most recent of the revelations of truth to the mortal races of Urantia.”
THE LIMITATIONS OF REVELATION
101:4.1 Because your world is generally ignorant of origins, even of physical origins, it has appeared to be wise from time to time to provide instruction in cosmology. And always has this made trouble for the future. The laws of revelation hamper us greatly by their proscription of the impartation of unearned or premature knowledge. Any cosmology presented as a part of revealed religion is destined to be outgrown in a very short time. Accordingly, future students of such a revelation are tempted to discard any element of genuine religious truth it may contain because they discover errors on the face of the associated cosmologies therein presented.
101:4.2 Mankind should understand that we who participate in the revelation of truth are very rigorously limited by the instructions of our superiors. We are not at liberty to anticipate the scientific discoveries of a thousand years. Revelators must act in accordance with the instructions which form a part of the revelation mandate. We see no way of overcoming this difficulty, either now or at any future time. We full well know that, while the historic facts and religious truths of this series of revelatory presentations will stand on the records of the ages to come, within a few short years many of our statements regarding the physical sciences will stand in need of revision in consequence of additional scientific developments and new discoveries. These new developments we even now foresee, but we are forbidden to include such humanly undiscovered facts in the revelatory records. Let it be made clear that revelations are not necessarily inspired. The cosmology of these revelations is not inspired. It is limited by our permission for the co-ordination and sorting of present-day knowledge. While divine or spiritual insight is a gift, human wisdom must evolve.
101:4.3 Truth is always a revelation: autorevelation when it emerges as a result of the work of the indwelling Adjuster; epochal revelation when it is presented by the function of some other celestial agency, group, or personality.
101:4.4 In the last analysis, religion is to be judged by its fruits, according to the manner and the extent to which it exhibits its own inherent and divine excellence.
101:4.5 Truth may be but relatively inspired, even though revelation is invariably a spiritual phenomenon. While statements with reference to cosmology are never inspired, such revelations are of immense value in that they at least transiently clarify knowledge by:
1. The reduction of confusion by the authoritative elimination of error.
2. The co-ordination of known or about-to-be-known facts and observations.
3. The restoration of important bits of lost knowledge concerning epochal transactions in the distant past.
4. The supplying of information which will fill in vital missing gaps in otherwise earned knowledge.
5. Presenting cosmic data in such a manner as to illuminate the spiritual teachings contained in the accompanying revelation.Colter
Quote (Colter @ April 24 2012,23:32) Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2012,14:52) Hi Colter, Concerning the UB: do you believe that it 'trumps' “The Bible”?
God bless
Ed J
I believe the Urantia Book to be the latest, most authoritative revelation of truth.Colter
Hi Colter,Then your answer is “Yes”, right?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ April 25 2012,04:29) Quote (Colter @ April 24 2012,23:32) Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2012,14:52) Hi Colter, Concerning the UB: do you believe that it 'trumps' “The Bible”?
God bless
Ed J
I believe the Urantia Book to be the latest, most authoritative revelation of truth.Colter
Hi Colter,Then your answer is “Yes”, right?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Yes, Yes in the same way that the car replaced the horse and buggy; both served an important purpose in the age in which they had their origin, but eventually they outlived their usefulness as better, more up to date modes of transportation are discovered.One day the UB will be updated but until then. It will replace the Bible’s.
Colter
Hi Colter,
Thanks for the clarification!
Please excuse me if I don't share your empathy.
I wrote a “FREE” e-book which documents the proof God's existence. (Link)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Colter,
I don't believe that the UB (as it is not authoritative) will ever replace the bible?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ April 25 2012,06:22) Hi Colter, Thanks for the clarification!
Please excuse me if I don't share your empathy.
I wrote a “FREE” e-book which documents the proof God's existence. (Link)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I don't need any proof, I know God personally, he's a really nice God.Colter
Quote (Colter @ April 25 2012,06:43) Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2012,06:22) Hi Colter, Thanks for the clarification!
Please excuse me if I don't share your empathy.
I wrote a “FREE” e-book which documents the proof God's existence. (Link)God bless
Ed J
I don't need any proof, I know God personally, he's a really nice God.Colter
Hi Colter,Yes, he is a very loving father.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgNoahs Flood:
THE FLOODS IN MESOPOTAMIA
78:7.1 The river dwellers were accustomed to rivers overflowing their banks at certain seasons; these periodic floods were annual events in their lives. But new perils threatened the valley of Mesopotamia as a result of progressive geologic changes to the north.
78:7.2 For thousands of years after the submergence of the first Eden the mountains about the eastern coast of the Mediterranean and those to the northwest and northeast of Mesopotamia continued to rise. This elevation of the highlands was greatly accelerated about 5000 B.C., and this, together with greatly increased snowfall on the northern mountains, caused unprecedented floods each spring throughout the Euphrates valley. These spring floods grew increasingly worse so that eventually the inhabitants of the river regions were driven to the eastern highlands. For almost a thousand years scores of cities were practically deserted because of these extensive deluges.
78:7.3 Almost five thousand years later, as the Hebrew priests in Babylonian captivity sought to trace the Jewish people back to Adam, they found great difficulty in piecing the story together; and it occurred to one of them to abandon the effort, to let the whole world drown in its wickedness at the time of Noah’s flood, and thus to be in a better position to trace Abraham right back to one of the three surviving sons of Noah.
78:7.4 The traditions of a time when water covered the whole of the earth’s surface are universal. Many races harbor the story of a world-wide flood some time during past ages. The Biblical story of Noah, the ark, and the flood is an invention of the Hebrew priesthood during the Babylonian captivity. There has never been a universal flood since life was established on Urantia. The only time the surface of the earth was completely covered by water was during those Archeozoic ages before the land had begun to appear.
78:7.5 But Noah really lived; he was a wine maker of Aram, a river settlement near Erech. He kept a written record of the days of the river’s rise from year to year. He brought much ridicule upon himself by going up and down the river valley advocating that all houses be built of wood, boat fashion, and that the family animals be put on board each night as the flood season approached. He would go to the neighboring river settlements every year and warn them that in so many days the floods would come. Finally a year came in which the annual floods were greatly augmented by unusually heavy rainfall so that the sudden rise of the waters wiped out the entire village; only Noah and his immediate family were saved in their houseboat.
78:7.6 These floods completed the disruption of Andite civilization. With the ending of this period of deluge, the second garden was no more. Only in the south and among the Sumerians did any trace of the former glory remain.
78:7.7 The remnants of this, one of the oldest civilizations, are to be found in these regions of Mesopotamia and to the northeast and northwest. But still older vestiges of the days of Dalamatia exist under the waters of the Persian Gulf, and the first Eden lies submerged under the eastern end of the Mediterranean Sea.
Colter
The same Thought Adjuster that accompanied Melchizedek when he was on the earth for 90 years was the adjuster that indwelt Jesus while he was on the earth.
136:2.2 “When Jesus of Nazareth went down into the Jordan to be baptized, he was a mortal of the realm who had attained the pinnacle of human evolutionary ascension in all matters related to the conquest of mind and to self-identification with the spirit. He stood in the Jordan that day a perfected mortal of the evolutionary worlds of time and space. Perfect synchrony and full communication had become established between the mortal mind of Jesus and the indwelling spirit Adjuster, the divine gift of his Father in Paradise. And just such an Adjuster indwells all normal beings living on Urantia since the ascension of Michael to the headship of his universe, except that Jesus’ Adjuster had been previously prepared for this special mission by similarly indwelling another superhuman incarnated in the likeness of mortal flesh, Machiventa Melchizedek.”
Colter
Hi Colter,
Melchizedek means King of Righteousness.
[מלך] Mĕh-lĕk means King and [צדיק] tzĕdĕk means righteous.Pastor Charles Jennings (Click Here) presents the idea that “Melchizedek” is an office
rather than a specific person, that is of course until Jesus; now it's office doesn't transfer anymore!
Psalm 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.Our story begins in Gen.14:18, where Melchizedek is first mentioned.
According to “the book of Jasher” (mentioned in The Bible in Joshua 10:13 and 2Samuel 1:18),
The office of Melchizedek was held by “Shem”. Here are Biblical references: Gen.9:26-27 And he said,
Blessed be The LORD GOD of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. God shall enlarge Japheth,
and HE shall dwell in the tents of Shem(144); and Canaan shall be his servant.Melchizedek is (according to Charles Jennings) an office of “King/Priest” held by Shem.
Without knowing specifically who this office was passed from person to person down to,
we see the Melchizedek office well documented in King “David” later transferred to Jesus.More Biblical referencing (Matt.12:3-5 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did,
when he was an hungered, and they that were with him; How he entered into the house of God,
and did eat the showbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him,
but only for the priests? Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the Sabbath days the priests in the
temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?) King David did these things, yet still remained blameless.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Colter, Theomatics is the second witness!
Melchizedek was a “King Priest” office
rather than just merely a person.
Jesus Christ fills this office.
(Melchizedek was Shem)
“Blessed be the LORD God of Shem” (Gen 9:26)
“Tents of Shem” equal 144Genesis 9:27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in
the tents of Shem(144); and Canaan(Ham's son) shall be his servant.
The Holy City, New Jerusalem (Rev 21:16-17 )The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. And he measured the wall thereof,
an hundred and forty and four(144) cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.Revelation 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and
no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand(144,000), which were redeemed from the earth.
Here's where it starts to get interestingRev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed
an hundred and forty and four thousand(144,000) of all the tribes of the children of Israel.“an hundred and forty and four thousand“ – equals 373 (which is the 74th Prime number)
Here's where it starts to get's even more interesting“JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS”=373 (John 19:19)
This most popular phrase curiously adds up to the 74th prime number: 373.
Furthermore: “The King” equals 74 as well, which is at the center of this complete phrase.
The significance of the number 74In English, the significant number 74 is attributed to “JOSHUA”=74 and “Messiah”=74; also
in the following: “JESUS”=74, “Cross”=74, “Gospel”=74, and even “English”=74.“Jesus Christ” (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically:
[Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).
[Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40).And even GEMATRIA equals 74.
(LINK to the thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ April 30 2012,04:12) Hi Colter, Melchizedek means King of Righteousness.
[מלך] Mĕh-lĕk means King and [צדיק] tzĕdĕk means righteous.Pastor Charles Jennings (Click Here) presents the idea that “Melchizedek” is an office
rather than a specific person, that is of course until Jesus; now it's office doesn't transfer anymore!
Psalm 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.Our story begins in Gen.14:18, where Melchizedek is first mentioned.
According to “the book of Jasher” (mentioned in The Bible in Joshua 10:13 and 2Samuel 1:18),
The office of Melchizedek was held by “Shem”. Here are Biblical references: Gen.9:26-27 And he said,
Blessed be The LORD GOD of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. God shall enlarge Japheth,
and HE shall dwell in the tents of Shem(144); and Canaan shall be his servant.Melchizedek is (according to Charles Jennings) an office of “King/Priest” held by Shem.
Without knowing specifically who this office was passed from person to person down to,
we see the Melchizedek office well documented in King “David” later transferred to Jesus.More Biblical referencing (Matt.12:3-5 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did,
when he was an hungered, and they that were with him; How he entered into the house of God,
and did eat the showbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him,
but only for the priests? Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the Sabbath days the priests in the
temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?) King David did these things, yet still remained blameless.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,The book of revelation didn't survive in tact:
When in temporary exile on Patmos, John wrote the Book of Revelation, which you now have in greatly abridged and distorted form. This Book of Revelation contains the surviving fragments of a great revelation, large portions of which were lost, other portions of which were removed, subsequent to John’s writing. It is preserved in only fragmentary and adulterated form.
(1555.8) 139:4.15 John traveled much, labored incessantly, and after becoming bishop of the Asia churches, settled down at Ephesus. He directed his associate, Nathan, in the writing of the so-called “Gospel according to John,” at Ephesus, when he was ninety-nine years old. Of all the twelve apostles, John Zebedee eventually became the outstanding theologian. He died a natural death at Ephesus in A.D. 103 when he was one hundred and one years of age.
Colter
Hi Colter,
Where is the evidence of this assertion?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ May 01 2012,09:22) Hi Colter, Where is the evidence of this assertion?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Because the book of revelation is false prophecy; it does not bear the fruit of Jesus. The apocalyptic God of sadistic torture does NOT resemble the indescribably beautiful God revealed in the life of Christ. The fruits of the BOR is death, destruction, torture and nonsense.……and it doesn't reveal anything coherent.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ May 01 2012,11:16) Quote (Ed J @ May 01 2012,09:22) Hi Colter, Where is the evidence of this assertion?
God bless
Ed J
Because the book of revelation is false prophecy; it does not bear the fruit of Jesus. The apocalyptic God of sadistic torture does NOT resemble the indescribably beautiful God revealed in the life of Christ. The fruits of the BOR is death, destruction, torture and nonsense.……and it doesn't reveal anything coherent.
Colter
Hi Colter,Because you do not like
what it says is your evidence?
That is no evidence at all whatsoever?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ May 01 2012,11:41) Quote (Colter @ May 01 2012,11:16) Quote (Ed J @ May 01 2012,09:22) Hi Colter, Where is the evidence of this assertion?
God bless
Ed J
Because the book of revelation is false prophecy; it does not bear the fruit of Jesus. The apocalyptic God of sadistic torture does NOT resemble the indescribably beautiful God revealed in the life of Christ. The fruits of the BOR is death, destruction, torture and nonsense.……and it doesn't reveal anything coherent.
Colter
Hi Colter,Because you do not like
what it says is your evidence?
That is no evidence at all whatsoever?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Not at all, Jesus tells me to be aware of false prophets, he taught that we will know false prophecy by it's fruits.The Book of Revelation was the last and most controversial book to be added to the cannon. It does not reflect the character and love of the God revealed by Jesus.
I realise that your religion doesn't allow you to think critically, I can.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ May 01 2012,21:13) Quote (Ed J @ May 01 2012,11:41) Quote (Colter @ May 01 2012,11:16) Quote (Ed J @ May 01 2012,09:22) Hi Colter, Where is the evidence of this assertion?
God bless
Ed J
Because the book of revelation is false prophecy; it does not bear the fruit of Jesus. The apocalyptic God of sadistic torture does NOT resemble the indescribably beautiful God revealed in the life of Christ. The fruits of the BOR is death, destruction, torture and nonsense.……and it doesn't reveal anything coherent.
Colter
Hi Colter,Because you do not like
what it says is your evidence?
That is no evidence at all whatsoever?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Not at all, Jesus tells me to be aware of false prophets, he taught that we will know false prophecy by it's fruits.The Book of Revelation was the last and most controversial book to be added to the cannon. It does not reflect the character and love of the God revealed by Jesus.
I realise that your religion doesn't allow you to think critically, I can.
Colter
Hi Colter,It reflects an understanding of who the enemy is, something
you seem to overlook; instead pointing in the wrong direction.What religion?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ May 02 2012,05:21) Quote (Colter @ May 01 2012,21:13) Quote (Ed J @ May 01 2012,11:41) Quote (Colter @ May 01 2012,11:16) Quote (Ed J @ May 01 2012,09:22) Hi Colter, Where is the evidence of this assertion?
God bless
Ed J
Because the book of revelation is false prophecy; it does not bear the fruit of Jesus. The apocalyptic God of sadistic torture does NOT resemble the indescribably beautiful God revealed in the life of Christ. The fruits of the BOR is death, destruction, torture and nonsense.……and it doesn't reveal anything coherent.
Colter
Hi Colter,Because you do not like
what it says is your evidence?
That is no evidence at all whatsoever?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Not at all, Jesus tells me to be aware of false prophets, he taught that we will know false prophecy by it's fruits.The Book of Revelation was the last and most controversial book to be added to the cannon. It does not reflect the character and love of the God revealed by Jesus.
I realise that your religion doesn't allow you to think critically, I can.
Colter
Hi Colter,It reflects an understanding of who the enemy is, something
you seem to overlook; instead pointing in the wrong direction.What religion?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
The Jehovah’s Witness religion.Colter
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