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Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2012,15:13) Quote (Colter @ July 20 2012,12:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 20 2012,07:16) So then the scriptures, of which Jesus said, “not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished”, and “scripture cannot be broken”, are just the fabrications of exiled Jewish scribes? Colter, who is the narrator in the UB? Is this stuff allegedly being spoken to a man (men) by an angel (celestial being)? What's the story of this book? (Briefly, please)
I know a lot of the mysterious history but the UB but it stands on its own merrits. The story of the origins don't add any more to the revelation the Jesus being a known carpenter added to his authority. The mystery of who the revelators used went to the grave. They didn't want a saint Paul type of personality associated with the revelation.Colter
Hi Colter,Why don't you tell Mike – an alien wrote it – ?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Because they aren't aliens if we know who they are.Here try this, “Mary dear, let us get this straight, an Alien visited you in the getou there in Nazereth, of all places, to inform you, a virgin, that you will have a child of promise? ” ~giggle~. “that's bearing false witness dear, we shalt stone you to death, but not until after you make your sin offering to us.”
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 20 2012,22:41) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2012,15:13) Quote (Colter @ July 20 2012,12:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 20 2012,07:16) So then the scriptures, of which Jesus said, “not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished”, and “scripture cannot be broken”, are just the fabrications of exiled Jewish scribes? Colter, who is the narrator in the UB? Is this stuff allegedly being spoken to a man (men) by an angel (celestial being)? What's the story of this book? (Briefly, please)
I know a lot of the mysterious history but the UB but it stands on its own merrits. The story of the origins don't add any more to the revelation the Jesus being a known carpenter added to his authority. The mystery of who the revelators used went to the grave. They didn't want a saint Paul type of personality associated with the revelation.Colter
Hi Colter,Why don't you tell Mike – an alien wrote it – ?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Because they aren't aliens if we know who they are.Here try this, “Mary dear, let us get this straight, an Alien visited you in the getou there in Nazereth, of all places, to inform you, a virgin, that you will have a child of promise? ” ~giggle~. “that's bearing false witness dear, we shalt stone you to death, but not until after you make your sin offering to us.”
Colter
Colter.Are you a star war fanatic?
Would the apostles and followers know about this book of urantia?
If not then they are all in darkness,and all the christian world past and present.Christ wrote the letters to the 7churches in asia,and he failed informing them to study the U.B. he did not mention it one bit.
We are lost,you should have join H.N much sooner.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 20 2012,23:29) Quote (Colter @ July 20 2012,22:41) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2012,15:13) Quote (Colter @ July 20 2012,12:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 20 2012,07:16) So then the scriptures, of which Jesus said, “not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished”, and “scripture cannot be broken”, are just the fabrications of exiled Jewish scribes? Colter, who is the narrator in the UB? Is this stuff allegedly being spoken to a man (men) by an angel (celestial being)? What's the story of this book? (Briefly, please)
I know a lot of the mysterious history but the UB but it stands on its own merrits. The story of the origins don't add any more to the revelation the Jesus being a known carpenter added to his authority. The mystery of who the revelators used went to the grave. They didn't want a saint Paul type of personality associated with the revelation.Colter
Hi Colter,Why don't you tell Mike – an alien wrote it – ?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Because they aren't aliens if we know who they are.Here try this, “Mary dear, let us get this straight, an Alien visited you in the getou there in Nazereth, of all places, to inform you, a virgin, that you will have a child of promise? ” ~giggle~. “that's bearing false witness dear, we shalt stone you to death, but not until after you make your sin offering to us.”
Colter
Colter.Are you a star war fanatic?
Would the apostles and followers know about this book of urantia?
If not then they are all in darkness,and all the christian world past and present.Christ wrote the letters to the 7churches in asia,and he failed informing them to study the U.B. he did not mention it one bit.
We are lost,you should have join H.N much sooner.
wakeup.
I'm not a big Star Trek fan but the writer of Star Trek, Gene Rodenbarry was himself a life long Urantia Book reader. There are UB themes woven into Star Trek story lines.There were many things that Abraham didn't know, does that also disqualify the prophets and Jesus.?
I don't know of any letters written by Jesus, besides, if Jesus did soon return we would not be able to add anything to the bible due to the dire threats in the end of the Book of Revelation about torture and bugs & stuff.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 21 2012,04:17) Quote (Wakeup @ July 20 2012,23:29) Quote (Colter @ July 20 2012,22:41) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2012,15:13) Quote (Colter @ July 20 2012,12:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 20 2012,07:16) So then the scriptures, of which Jesus said, “not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished”, and “scripture cannot be broken”, are just the fabrications of exiled Jewish scribes? Colter, who is the narrator in the UB? Is this stuff allegedly being spoken to a man (men) by an angel (celestial being)? What's the story of this book? (Briefly, please)
I know a lot of the mysterious history but the UB but it stands on its own merrits. The story of the origins don't add any more to the revelation the Jesus being a known carpenter added to his authority. The mystery of who the revelators used went to the grave. They didn't want a saint Paul type of personality associated with the revelation.Colter
Hi Colter,Why don't you tell Mike – an alien wrote it – ?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Because they aren't aliens if we know who they are.Here try this, “Mary dear, let us get this straight, an Alien visited you in the getou there in Nazereth, of all places, to inform you, a virgin, that you will have a child of promise? ” ~giggle~. “that's bearing false witness dear, we shalt stone you to death, but not until after you make your sin offering to us.”
Colter
Colter.Are you a star war fanatic?
Would the apostles and followers know about this book of urantia?
If not then they are all in darkness,and all the christian world past and present.Christ wrote the letters to the 7churches in asia,and he failed informing them to study the U.B. he did not mention it one bit.
We are lost,you should have join H.N much sooner.
wakeup.
I'm not a big Star Trek fan but the writer of Star Trek, Gene Rodenbarry was himself a life long Urantia Book reader. There are UB themes woven into Star Trek story lines.There were many things that Abraham didn't know, does that also disqualify the prophets and Jesus.?
I don't know of any letters written by Jesus, besides, if Jesus did soon return we would not be able to add anything to the bible due to the dire threats in the end of the Book of Revelation about torture and bugs & stuff.
Colter
Colter.You need to study all the prophesies,not just read it.
Then you will know Gods way of doing things.
My thoughts are not your thoughts God said.
my ways are not your ways.For as the heavens are higher than the earth,so are my ways,and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Is it horrible and cruel and sadistic to destroy all the cancer cells in ones body?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 21 2012,06:25) Quote (Colter @ July 21 2012,04:17) Quote (Wakeup @ July 20 2012,23:29) Quote (Colter @ July 20 2012,22:41) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2012,15:13) Quote (Colter @ July 20 2012,12:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 20 2012,07:16) So then the scriptures, of which Jesus said, “not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished”, and “scripture cannot be broken”, are just the fabrications of exiled Jewish scribes? Colter, who is the narrator in the UB? Is this stuff allegedly being spoken to a man (men) by an angel (celestial being)? What's the story of this book? (Briefly, please)
I know a lot of the mysterious history but the UB but it stands on its own merrits. The story of the origins don't add any more to the revelation the Jesus being a known carpenter added to his authority. The mystery of who the revelators used went to the grave. They didn't want a saint Paul type of personality associated with the revelation.Colter
Hi Colter,Why don't you tell Mike – an alien wrote it – ?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Because they aren't aliens if we know who they are.Here try this, “Mary dear, let us get this straight, an Alien visited you in the getou there in Nazereth, of all places, to inform you, a virgin, that you will have a child of promise? ” ~giggle~. “that's bearing false witness dear, we shalt stone you to death, but not until after you make your sin offering to us.”
Colter
Colter.Are you a star war fanatic?
Would the apostles and followers know about this book of urantia?
If not then they are all in darkness,and all the christian world past and present.Christ wrote the letters to the 7churches in asia,and he failed informing them to study the U.B. he did not mention it one bit.
We are lost,you should have join H.N much sooner.
wakeup.
I'm not a big Star Trek fan but the writer of Star Trek, Gene Rodenbarry was himself a life long Urantia Book reader. There are UB themes woven into Star Trek story lines.There were many things that Abraham didn't know, does that also disqualify the prophets and Jesus.?
I don't know of any letters written by Jesus, besides, if Jesus did soon return we would not be able to add anything to the bible due to the dire threats in the end of the Book of Revelation about torture and bugs & stuff.
Colter
Colter.You need to study all the prophesies,not just read it.
Then you will know Gods way of doing things.
My thoughts are not your thoughts God said.
my ways are not your ways.For as the heavens are higher than the earth,so are my ways,and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Is it horrible and cruel and sadistic to destroy all the cancer cells in ones body?
wakeup.
Indeed, the Urantia Book are higher thoughts and higher ways.Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 18 2012,20:04) 9. Hebrew History
(1071.6) 97:9.1 There never were twelve tribes of the Israelites — only three or four tribes settled in Palestine.
Hi Colter,This is why I asked where the info in the UB came from. It seems to me that these beings (angels, whatever) would at least know whether it was three or four tribes of Israel who settled in Palestine.
What does “three or four” mean? Which one is the truth? Three? Or four?
Nor did you address why Jesus would say scripture cannot be broken if “scripture” was nothing more than the fantasies of Hebrew scribes in captivity.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 21 2012,12:29) Quote (Colter @ July 18 2012,20:04) 9. Hebrew History
(1071.6) 97:9.1 There never were twelve tribes of the Israelites — only three or four tribes settled in Palestine.
Hi Colter,This is why I asked where the info in the UB came from. It seems to me that these beings (angels, whatever) would at least know whether it was three or four tribes of Israel who settled in Palestine.
What does “three or four” mean? Which one is the truth? Three? Or four?
Nor did you address why Jesus would say scripture cannot be broken if “scripture” was nothing more than the fantasies of Hebrew scribes in captivity.
* I guess three or four means a loose nit group of 3 or 4 nomadic tribes.. The editors of the OT left in place the story of the mixing with the Canaanites.*Jesus didn't say it quite that way in the UB, that's what John recollected, I assume, many years hence. It sounds like Jesus is claiming that the Jewish authorities claim the scripture can't be broken; he is using their argument against them, not validating Bible perfection theory.
* The OT books were redacted and edited, not completely fictional. Most Biblical scholars agree with this.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,13:30) Quote Jesus is the messiah; are you saying that you do not believe this? No, Jesus was not the Jewish Messiah, he didn't do what the Messiah was to do. The problem wasn't Jesus, the problem was how that erroneous, racial centric, nationalistic concept evolved within Judaism.
The Jews have had 2,000 years to review the scripture, they also don't believe Jesus was their Messiah.
sorry, can't edit
Colter
Hi Colter:You cannot make a blanket statement that “Jews do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah”. Many do not, but there are many that have believed and many more are believing today.
This scripture in Daniel indicates that the Messiah has come, and so, if not Jesus, then who?
Quote Dan 9:24 ¶ Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
I know through personal experience that he is the Messiah, but this scripture indicates that Messiah has already come, and so, if not Jesus, then who?
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ July 22 2012,12:00) Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,13:30) Quote Jesus is the messiah; are you saying that you do not believe this? No, Jesus was not the Jewish Messiah, he didn't do what the Messiah was to do. The problem wasn't Jesus, the problem was how that erroneous, racial centric, nationalistic concept evolved within Judaism.
The Jews have had 2,000 years to review the scripture, they also don't believe Jesus was their Messiah.
sorry, can't edit
Colter
Hi Colter:You cannot make a blanket statement that “Jews do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah”. Many do not, but there are many that have believed and many more are believing today.
This scripture in Daniel indicates that the Messiah has come, and so, if not Jesus, then who?
Quote Dan 9:24 ¶ Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
I know through personal experience that he is the Messiah, but this scripture indicates that Messiah has already come, and so, if not Jesus, then who?
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty,“The Jews” mean Judaism, not “Jews for Jesus” or other's who believe he was the Messiah.
John the Baptist had warned his hearers to repent and get ready for the wrath to come. No wrath came, just a really nice, divine man teaching love and piece.
Daniel is like Nostradamus, darn near any piece of history can be made to apply to the vague symbolisms of his writings.
During the 40 days Jesus was actually in communion with his Father as he decided how to proceed with his public teaching.
“Rome was mistress of the Western world. The Son of Man, now in isolation and achieving these momentous decisions, with the hosts of heaven at his command, represented the last chance of the Jews to attain world dominion; but this earthborn Jew, who possessed such tremendous wisdom and power, declined to use his universe endowments either for the aggrandizement of himself or for the enthronement of his people. He saw, as it were, “the kingdoms of this world,” and he possessed the power to take them. The Most Highs of Edentia had resigned all these powers into his hands, but he did not want them. The kingdoms of earth were paltry things to interest the Creator and Ruler of a universe. He had only one objective, the further revelation of God to man, the establishment of the kingdom, the rule of the heavenly Father in the hearts of mankind.
136:9.7 The idea of battle, contention, and slaughter was repugnant to Jesus; he would have none of it. He would appear on earth as the Prince of Peace to reveal a God of love. Before his baptism he had again refused the offer of the Zealots to lead them in rebellion against the Roman oppressors. And now he made his final decision regarding those Scriptures which his mother had taught him, such as: “The Lord has said to me, `You are my Son; this day have I begotten you. Ask of me, and I will give you the heathen for your inheritance and the uttermost parts of the earth for your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron; you shall dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.'”
136:9.8 Jesus of Nazareth reached the conclusion that such utterances did not refer to him. At last, and finally, the human mind of the Son of Man made a clean sweep of all these Messianic difficulties and contradictions—Hebrew scriptures, parental training, chazan teaching, Jewish expectations, and human ambitious longings; once and for all he decided upon his course. He would return to Galilee and quietly begin the proclamation of the kingdom and trust his Father (the Personalized Adjuster) to work out the details of procedure day by day.
Colter
And where is this Kingdom, Colter? How do we, as human beings, attain to it? And was the sacrifice of Jesus necessary for us to enter? Did he really die to atone for our sins?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 23 2012,03:26) And where is this Kingdom, Colter? How do we, as human beings, attain to it? And was the sacrifice of Jesus necessary for us to enter? Did he really die to atone for our sins?
The original gospel of Jesus was salvation via faith, spiritual transformation. The spiritual kingdom was comprised of the community of believers in the Fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of ALL mankind.You and I are in the kingdom, we are spirit born believers in God.
Unfortunately the institutional Christian Church became a substitute for the kingdom concept taught and practiced by Jesus although Jesus has fostered the social church as the best exponent of his life work on earth.
No, Jesus wasn't a sacrifice, he taught that faith and personal transformation is what was required for salvation; a whole soul, total life commitment to seek and do the will of God. The Pagans, who ultimately merged with the evolving Church, already had an atonement doctrine. The original gospel of the kingdom of heaven morphed into the gospel of blood sacrifice and the resurrection.
The primary focus of the original gospel was doing the will of the Father, the primary focus of Christianity is Jesus, his life, his blood sacrifice, resurrection and as redeemer of the church.
The real gospel of the kingdom of heaven has yet to be proclaimed to the world.
Colter
MEANING OF THE DEATH ON THE CROSS
188:4.1 Although Jesus did not die this death on the cross to atone for the racial guilt of mortal man nor to provide some sort of effective approach to an otherwise offended and unforgiving God; even though the Son of Man did not offer himself as a sacrifice to appease the wrath of God and to open the way for sinful man to obtain salvation; notwithstanding that these ideas of atonement and propitiation are erroneous, nonetheless, there are significances attached to this death of Jesus on the cross which should not be overlooked. It is a fact that Urantia has become known among other neighboring inhabited planets as the “World of the Cross.”
188:4.2 Jesus desired to live a full mortal life in the flesh on Urantia. Death is, ordinarily, a part of life. Death is the last act in the mortal drama. In your well-meant efforts to escape the superstitious errors of the false interpretation of the meaning of the death on the cross, you should be careful not to make the great mistake of failing to perceive the true significance and the genuine import of the Master’s death.
188:4.3 Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil-doing of his ancestors. Neither was the Master’s death on the cross a sacrifice which consisted in an effort to pay God a debt which the race of mankind had come to owe him. *
188:4.4 Before Jesus lived on earth, you might possibly have been justified in believing in such a God, but not since the Master lived and died among your fellow mortals. Moses taught the dignity and justice of a Creator God; but Jesus portrayed the love and mercy of a heavenly Father.
188:4.5 The animal nature—the tendency toward evil-doing—may be hereditary, but sin is not transmitted from parent to child. Sin is the act of conscious and deliberate rebellion against the Father’s will and the Sons’ laws by an individual will creature. *
188:4.6 Jesus lived and died for a whole universe, not just for the races of this one world. While the mortals of the realms had salvation even before Jesus lived and died on Urantia, it is nevertheless a fact that his bestowal on this world greatly illuminated the way of salvation; his death did much to make forever plain the certainty of mortal survival after death in the flesh.
188:4.7 Though it is hardly proper to speak of Jesus as a sacrificer, a ransomer, or a redeemer, it is wholly correct to refer to him as a savior. He forever made the way of salvation (survival) more clear and certain; he did better and more surely show the way of salvation for all the mortals of all the worlds of the universe of Nebadon.
188:4.8 When once you grasp the idea of God as a true and loving Father, the only concept which Jesus ever taught, you must forthwith, in all consistency, utterly abandon all those primitive notions about God as an offended monarch, a stern and all-powerful ruler whose chief delight is to detect his subjects in wrongdoing and to see that they are adequately punished, unless some being almost equal to himself should volunteer to suffer for them, to die as a substitute and in their stead. The whole idea of ransom and atonement is incompatible with the concept of God as it was taught and exemplified by Jesus of Nazareth. The infinite love of God is not secondary to anything in the divine nature.
188:4.9 All this concept of atonement and sacrificial salvation is rooted and grounded in selfishness. Jesus taught that service to one’s fellows is the highest concept of the brotherhood of spirit believers. Salvation should be taken for granted by those who believe in the fatherhood of God. The believer’s chief concern should not be the selfish desire for personal salvation but rather the unselfish urge to love and, therefore, serve one’s fellows even as Jesus loved and served mortal men.
188:4.10 Neither do genuine believers trouble themselves so much about the future punishment of sin. The real believer is only concerned about present separation from God. True, wise fathers may chasten their sons, but they do all this in love and for corrective purposes. They do not punish in anger, neither do they chastise in retribution.
188:4.11 Even if God were the stern and legal monarch of a universe in which justice ruled supreme, he certainly would not be satisfied with the childish scheme of substituting an innocent sufferer for a guilty offender.
188:4.12 The great thing about the death of Jesus, as it is related to the enrichment of human experience and the enlargement of the way of salvation, is not the fact of his death but rather the superb manner and the matchless spirit in which he met death.
188:4.13 This entire idea of the ransom of the atonement places salvation upon a plane of unreality; such a concept is purely philosophic. Human salvation is real; it is based on two realities which may be grasped by the creature’s faith and thereby become incorporated into individual human experience: the fact of the fatherhood of God and its correlated truth, the brotherhood of man. It is true, after all, that you are to be “forgiven your debts, even as you forgive your debtors.”
5. LESSONS FROM THE CROSS
188:5.1 The cross of Jesus portrays the full measure of the supreme devotion of the true shepherd for even the unworthy members of his flock. It forever places all relations between God and man upon the family basis. God is the Father; man is his son. Love, the love of a father for his son, becomes the central truth in the universe relations of Creator and creature—not the justice of a king which seeks satisfaction in the sufferings and punishment of the evil-doing subject.
188:5.2 The cross forever shows that the attitude of Jesus toward sinners was neither condemnation nor condonation, but rather eternal and loving salvation. Jesus is truly a savior in the sense that his life and death do win men over to goodness and righteous survival. Jesus loves men so much that his love awakens the response of love in the human heart. Love is truly contagious and eternally creative. Jesus’ death on the cross exemplifies a love which is sufficiently strong and divine to forgive sin and swallow up all evil-doing. Jesus disclosed to this world a higher quality of righteousness than justice—mere technical right and wrong. Divine love does not merely forgive wrongs; it absorbs and actually destroys them. The forgiveness of love utterly transcends the forgiveness of mercy. Mercy sets the guilt of evil-doing to one side; but love destroys forever the sin and all weakness resulting therefrom. Jesus brought a new method of living to Urantia. He taught us not to resist evil but to find through him a goodness which effectually destroys evil. The forgiveness of Jesus is not condonation; it is salvation from condemnation. Salvation does not slight wrongs; it makes them right. True love does not compromise nor condone hate; it destroys it. The love of Jesus is never satisfied with mere forgiveness. The Master’s love implies rehabilitation, eternal survival. It is altogether proper to speak of salvation as redemption if you mean this eternal rehabilitation.
188:5.3 Jesus, by the power of his personal love for men, could break the hold of sin and evil. He thereby set men free to choose better ways of living. Jesus portrayed a deliverance from the past which in itself promised a triumph for the future. Forgiveness thus provided salvation. The beauty of divine love, once fully admitted to the human heart, forever destroys the charm of sin and the power of evil.
188:5.4 The sufferings of Jesus were not confined to the crucifixion. In reality, Jesus of Nazareth spent upward of twenty-five years on the cross of a real and in
tense mortal existence. The real value of the cross consists in the fact that it was the supreme and final expression of his love, the completed revelation of his mercy.188:5.5 On millions of inhabited worlds, tens of trillions of evolving creatures who may have been tempted to give up the moral struggle and abandon the good fight of faith, have taken one more look at Jesus on the cross and then have forged on ahead, inspired by the sight of God’s laying down his incarnate life in devotion to the unselfish service of man.
188:5.6 The triumph of the death on the cross is all summed up in the spirit of Jesus’ attitude toward those who assailed him. He made the cross an eternal symbol of the triumph of love over hate and the victory of truth over evil when he prayed, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” That devotion of love was contagious throughout a vast universe; the disciples caught it from their Master. The very first teacher of his gospel who was called upon to lay down his life in this service, said, as they stoned him to death, “Lay not this sin to their charge.”
188:5.7 The cross makes a supreme appeal to the best in man because it discloses one who was willing to lay down his life in the service of his fellow men. Greater love no man can have than this: that he would be willing to lay down his life for his friends—and Jesus had such a love that he was willing to lay down his life for his enemies, a love greater than any which had hitherto been known on earth.
188:5.8 On other worlds, as well as on Urantia, this sublime spectacle of the death of the human Jesus on the cross of Golgotha has stirred the emotions of mortals, while it has aroused the highest devotion of the angels.
188:5.9 The cross is that high symbol of sacred service, the devotion of one’s life to the welfare and salvation of one’s fellows. The cross is not the symbol of the sacrifice of the innocent Son of God in the place of guilty sinners and in order to appease the wrath of an offended God, but it does stand forever, on earth and throughout a vast universe, as a sacred symbol of the good bestowing themselves upon the evil and thereby saving them by this very devotion of love. The cross does stand as the token of the highest form of unselfish service, the supreme devotion of the full bestowal of a righteous life in the service of wholehearted ministry, even in death, the death of the cross. And the very sight of this great symbol of the bestowal life of Jesus truly inspires all of us to want to go and do likewise.
188:5.10 When thinking men and women look upon Jesus as he offers up his life on the cross, they will hardly again permit themselves to complain at even the severest hardships of life, much less at petty harassments and their many purely fictitious grievances. His life was so glorious and his death so triumphant that we are all enticed to a willingness to share both. There is true drawing power in the whole bestowal of Michael, from the days of his youth to this overwhelming spectacle of his death on the cross.
188:5.11 Make sure, then, that when you view the cross as a revelation of God, you do not look with the eyes of the primitive man nor with the viewpoint of the later barbarian, both of whom regarded God as a relentless Sovereign of stern justice and rigid law-enforcement. Rather, make sure that you see in the cross the final manifestation of the love and devotion of Jesus to his life mission of bestowal upon the mortal races of his vast universe. See in the death of the Son of Man the climax of the unfolding of the Father’s divine love for his sons of the mortal spheres. The cross thus portrays the devotion of willing affection and the bestowal of voluntary salvation upon those who are willing to receive such gifts and devotion. There was nothing in the cross which the Father required—only that which Jesus so willingly gave, and which he refused to avoid.
188:5.12 If man cannot otherwise appreciate Jesus and understand the meaning of his bestowal on earth, he can at least comprehend the fellowship of his mortal sufferings. No man can ever fear that the Creator does not know the nature or extent of his temporal afflictions.
188:5.13 We know that the death on the cross was not to effect man’s reconciliation to God but to stimulate man’s realization of the Father’s eternal love and his Son’s unending mercy, and to broadcast these universal truths to a whole universe.
Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,10:55) You and I are in the kingdom, we are spirit born believers in God.
So this is as good as it gets?
Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,10:55) No, Jesus wasn't a sacrifice, he taught that faith and personal transformation is what was required for salvation;
Matthew 26
52 “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. 53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? 54 But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?”Quote (Colter @ July 23 2012,10:55) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 23 2012,03:26) And where is this Kingdom, Colter? How do we, as human beings, attain to it? And was the sacrifice of Jesus necessary for us to enter? Did he really die to atone for our sins?
The original gospel of Jesus was salvation via faith, spiritual transformation. The spiritual kingdom was comprised of the community of believers in the Fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of ALL mankind.You and I are in the kingdom, we are spirit born believers in God.
Unfortunately the institutional Christian Church became a substitute for the kingdom concept taught and practiced by Jesus although Jesus has fostered the social church as the best exponent of his life work on earth.
No, Jesus wasn't a sacrifice, he taught that faith and personal transformation is what was required for salvation; a whole soul, total life commitment to seek and do the will of God. The Pagans, who ultimately merged with the evolving Church, already had an atonement doctrine. The original gospel of the kingdom of heaven morphed into the gospel of blood sacrifice and the resurrection.
The primary focus of the original gospel was doing the will of the Father, the primary focus of Christianity is Jesus, his life, his blood sacrifice, resurrection and as redeemer of the church.
The real gospel of the kingdom of heaven has yet to be proclaimed to the world.
Colter
HEB 11:34 quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, from weakness were made strong, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight.
1PE 1:5 who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
2PE 1:16 For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty.
1JN 5:19 We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.Hi Colter,
Tell them where the UB says 'Satania' is.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 23 2012,04:01) Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,10:55) You and I are in the kingdom, we are spirit born believers in God.
So this is as good as it gets? Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,10:55) No, Jesus wasn't a sacrifice, he taught that faith and personal transformation is what was required for salvation;
Matthew 26
52 “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. 53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? 54 But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?”
* When the world returns to the original gospel and that gospel first transforms the individual, the neighbourhood, the governments and the world, then those born into those future ages will see more of the fruits of the gospel here on earth. Eventually the world will be settled in light and life.As for you and me, this world is not our permanent home, we will be leaving in a relative instant as we begin our journey inward towards Paradise. No mortals stay of the evolutionary world of their birth, the Father has much much more in store for us as we progress into an astonishing future of spiritual progress and living experience.
* As for the Matthew quote I'm not sure if the author recalled it that was as there was a tendency to find justification for the new wines by using the old habits of scriptural authority. I don't know where the coming Son was to be a human sacrifice, I know that Jesus has been forced into some muddy prophecies and such but the Jews had no concept of the Son being sacrificed.
Colter
Quote (Ed J @ July 23 2012,04:10) Hi Colter, Tell them where the UB says 'Satania' is.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
“Your world is called Urantia, and it is number 606 in the planetary group, or system, of Satania. This system has at present 619 inhabited worlds, and more than two hundred additional planets are evolving favorably toward becoming inhabited worlds at some future time.”Colter
Quote (terraricca @ July 23 2012,04:04) Quote (Colter @ July 23 2012,10:55) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 23 2012,03:26) And where is this Kingdom, Colter? How do we, as human beings, attain to it? And was the sacrifice of Jesus necessary for us to enter? Did he really die to atone for our sins?
The original gospel of Jesus was salvation via faith, spiritual transformation. The spiritual kingdom was comprised of the community of believers in the Fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of ALL mankind.You and I are in the kingdom, we are spirit born believers in God.
Unfortunately the institutional Christian Church became a substitute for the kingdom concept taught and practiced by Jesus although Jesus has fostered the social church as the best exponent of his life work on earth.
No, Jesus wasn't a sacrifice, he taught that faith and personal transformation is what was required for salvation; a whole soul, total life commitment to seek and do the will of God. The Pagans, who ultimately merged with the evolving Church, already had an atonement doctrine. The original gospel of the kingdom of heaven morphed into the gospel of blood sacrifice and the resurrection.
The primary focus of the original gospel was doing the will of the Father, the primary focus of Christianity is Jesus, his life, his blood sacrifice, resurrection and as redeemer of the church.
The real gospel of the kingdom of heaven has yet to be proclaimed to the world.
Colter
HEB 11:34 quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, from weakness were made strong, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight.
1PE 1:5 who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
2PE 1:16 For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty.
1JN 5:19 We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.
Your faith in the Satan God is as strong as ever.Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,11:31) * As for the Matthew quote I'm not sure if the author recalled it that was as there was a tendency to find justification for the new wines by using the old habits of scriptural authority.
Do you think Matthew 26:54 is the only place where Jesus told the shocked disciples that he came to be handed over and killed?
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