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Quote (gollamudi @ May 28 2008,23:49) Quote (seek and you will find @ April 15 2008,07:48) We do know that Jesus was always there in Heaven with the Father until He came to earth as a man. So many times it is Jesus that says things in the O.T. or an Angel. Knowing that makes it easy to see Him there. Isaiah is a really a good Book to see Jesus.
Hi Seek,
Where is it written in the Bible that 'Jesus was always there in heaven with the Father until he came to earth as a man'?
You also say that “so many times it is Jesus that says things in the O.T. or an angel” where is it written in the Bible?
Please don't assume yourself all these things. It is very dangerous to follow our assumptions. If at all Jesus was pre-existing with the Father in heaven prior to his coming as man on this earth, why is it not mentioned in O.T? How can Jesus be an angel and become a mortal being on this earth like you and me?
Please read Heb 2:14-18, “Jesus was like us human beings and not taken the nature of angels” what does this mean? If he was existing as an angel why it is mentioned that “he has not taken the nature of angels”?. One thing we have to accept is Whatever glory Jesus is having now and sitting on the throne with the Father is after his resurrection but not as an existing glory prior to his birth on this earth.
Please take care.
Adam
Hi GM,
Heb2
“14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;15And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
18For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
How could Jesus partake of our human estate if before that time he did not exist?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2008,16:50) How could Jesus partake of our human estate if before that time he did not exist?
Conception – pregnancy – birth.Same as you, Nick.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2008,18:41) Hi Not3,
Did you partake of flesh?
To partake of something means to share it. To participate in humanity.I most certainly did these things when the doctor spanked my little tooshy and I breathed my first breath of air. I was born a human, versus being born a bird.
ha ha see Nick.
One thing you have to remember is that New Testament is written after Jesus' ascention rather after his glorification. The method of narration of scriptures will be that way only as if he was existing as some being and has taken the nature of humans, as many in this forum are misunderstanding. If you see the past from present that is his glory with the Father, you will be telling the same way as the New Testament authors narrated the events. You have to understand Jesus and God in totallity with O.T. All things written about Jesus in the O.T are prophecies not existing events. Please understand scriptures together, you will get the big picture.
Peace to you all
AdamQuote (Not3in1 @ May 31 2008,18:49) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2008,18:41) Hi Not3,
Did you partake of flesh?
To partake of something means to share it. To participate in humanity.I most certainly did these things when the doctor spanked my little tooshy and I breathed my first breath of air. I was born a human, versus being born a bird.
Hi not3,
Did you choose?
Did you have any other options.?Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2008,19:03) Quote (Not3in1 @ May 31 2008,18:49) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2008,18:41) Hi Not3,
Did you partake of flesh?
To partake of something means to share it. To participate in humanity.I most certainly did these things when the doctor spanked my little tooshy and I breathed my first breath of air. I was born a human, versus being born a bird.
Hi not3,
Did you choose?
Did you have any other options.?
Point?Just a general question not aimed at anyone.
If partaking of flesh (human nature) makes you human, then what does partaking in divine nature make you?
Quote (gollamudi @ May 31 2008,20:22) Sons of God
Adam
I agree.Although Adam was the word for man “God created adam, male and female he created them” and all in adam will die.
But I can see your point if you are referring to Adam before the fall.
Hi T8,
Even after fall also God wants us to keep that previllege being called sons of God. That why He has to arrange another perfect son Jesus like first Adam to restore back what is lost through first Adam.
What a graciuos God we have who never leaves nor forsake us.
Peace to You.
AdamHi GM,
If Jesus told the Jews their father was rather Satan should any man presume on an existing relationship with God?You must be born again into the family of God.
Hi Nick,
What do you mean by that question? Jesus meant that their actions were not according to the leading of God rather according to the evil one (Satan). Every one in this universe can assume liberally that he is son of the creator God (Mal 2:10;Jn 8:41). It is a default relation with God the creator.
yes If you want to re-establish that relationship with God you have to be born again, because it was lost when Adam sinned and disobeyed God.
Peace to you.
AdamQuote (t8 @ May 31 2008,20:18) Just a general question not aimed at anyone. If partaking of flesh (human nature) makes you human, then what does partaking in divine nature make you?
Adam says that partaking in divine nature makes us sons of God and he would be right, imo.In Romans we are told that even Israel receives an adoption as sons of God. Israel is God's own people, yet they will be *adopted*.
There still remains a difference between the sonship of Jesus and the sonship of those of us who are (or will be) adopted. It is to this difference that I keep pointing and to which other's seem to ignore or not see?
We can only participate in divine nature because God has “qualified” us to do so. So simply partaking of divine nature doesn't “make us” anything. It's just a fabulous opportunity we have to see what our future potential will be. If we are indeed born again, we will see God and we will be like him. We will come full-circle and be the son's and daughter's he had always intended for us to be.
Here's a question along the same lines: Is Jesus still human in heaven even though he has been glorified with divine nature?
Mandy……Jesus said when you see the (son of Man) coming in the clouds of Heaven. So he may still be considered as one of us Humans. But He certainly has the (Davine Nature) which all who have the Spirit of God in them Have.
peace to you and yours………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 01 2008,04:25) Mandy……Jesus said when you see the (son of Man) coming in the clouds of Heaven. So he may still be considered as one of us Humans. But He certainly has the (Davine Nature) which all who have the Spirit of God in them Have. peace to you and yours………………gene
Agreed.He is a new creation (hint to those who don't believe Jesus is God's literal Son). Both human and divine.
We will follow.
Mandy In order to understand the things of God, we need to have the Holy Spirit. God has given His Holy Spirit so all will understand some to come out of a bad system, like He says in Rev. Come out of Her my people. But I still belief that we should be Baptized and layed Hands on to receive God's Holy Spirit. And Gen has a point too.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (seek and you will find @ June 01 2008,05:37) Mandy In order to understand the things of God, we need to have the Holy Spirit. God has given His Holy Spirit so all will understand some to come out of a bad system, like He says in Rev. Come out of Her my people. But I still belief that we should be Baptized and layed Hands on to receive God's Holy Spirit. And Gen has a point too.
Peace and Love Irene
I don't disagree.Quote (gollamudi @ May 31 2008,18:56) ha ha see Nick.
One thing you have to remember is that New Testament is written after Jesus' ascention rather after his glorification. The method of narration of scriptures will be that way only as if he was existing as some being and has taken the nature of humans, as many in this forum are misunderstanding. If you see the past from present that is his glory with the Father, you will be telling the same way as the New Testament authors narrated the events. You have to understand Jesus and God in totallity with O.T. All things written about Jesus in the O.T are prophecies not existing events. Please understand scriptures together, you will get the big picture.
Peace to you all
Adam
Hi Brother:This is a very good point.
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