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Correct me if I'm wrong T8 but you hold to the pre-incarnation begettal (i.e. birthing) of Yeshia by the Father, right?
Some clarification on this and the previous statement you made (“God is the Father like us”) would be appreciated.
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2012,21:46) The Godhead of Kathi is the God of Jesus and Jesus…together with their Spirit…the YHWH Echad, the eternal unity
So then you have a DIFFERENT God than Jesus has?Hmmm………… Jesus said our God was also his God. So I and the disciples and Jesus all have the same God.
YOU are apparently not included in Jesus' statement, for YOU seem to have made up some “Godhead” thing to worship.
I am happy having the same exact God as my Lord Jesus has.
Quote (david @ Nov. 09 2012,20:35) I am just saying that the spirit that a mates man isn't the same as the spirits in heaven (angels). It's not as if we have angels inside of us. Yes, same word is used. That's unfortunate and confusing for some.
I'm not confused about the many meanings of spirit in the scriptures. Gene and I discuss them often, much to his chagrin.
But no matter what is meant by any particular use of the word “spirit”, do ANY of them die of old age?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2012,14:52) Hmmm………… Jesus said our God was also his God.
Yes….and what does this prove?It proves that t8 and I and the disciples all have the same God that Jesus has…………… and you and Kathi have made up your own God.
Quote So I and the disciples and Jesus all have the same God. No, you don't have the same God as the disciples and Jesus had. Jesus' God was His Father not His creator. You believe that Jesus' God was His creator.
I agree with Jesus and also have Jesus. Didn't you tell me that we need to believe in two theos for our eternal salvation?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2012,14:57) It proves that t8 and I and the disciples all have the same God that Jesus has…………… and you and Kathi have made up your own God.
How so?Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 09 2012,21:42) What do you mean by “God is the Father like us”
He means that if Kathi says she does have the same God as Jesus, then she'll be admitting that the Father is her God, just as we Jesus proclaim about ourselves.t8,
How many persons who have been called 'the theos' anywhere in the Bible do we need to know, to believe in, and to serve to gain eternal life?Mike – instead of just throwing out baseless assertions DEFINE YOUR TERMS. Prove to us that it logically follows that since Yeshua has His Father as His God He is inferior in His nature
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 10 2012,13:58) david. Angels are spirits and we have spirits.
Angels have different bodies to us, but we will become like the angels eventually.The spirit of man comes from God who we know is a spirit.
What is the point of clarifying this in terms of the topic?
Are you suggesting that we have spirits (like angels) snide of us?Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 09 2012,21:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2012,14:57) It proves that t8 and I and the disciples all have the same God that Jesus has…………… and you and Kathi have made up your own God.
How so?
Well Paul,Is YOUR God also Jesus' God?
Haven't I already answered this? Yes. And what exactly does this prove?
Come on Mike, you're better than this.
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2012,21:59) No, you don't have the same God as the disciples and Jesus had. Jesus' God was His Father not His creator. You believe that Jesus' God was His creator.
There are at least 8 different scriptures that teach us Jesus is a creation of his God; so the fact that you don't want to accept those scriptures doesn't consitute proof of anything.Kathi, were the disciples creations of God? Yet Jesus said that their God was also his God. And if their God is also MY God, because like them, I am also a creation, then my statement is obviously the truth. I and the disciples and Jesus all have the same God.
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2012,21:59) I agree with Jesus and also have Jesus.
You agree with Jesus that his God is also your God? If so, then why must you add to it?I have Jesus too, Kathi……. as the MEDIATOR, PRIEST, SON, SERVANT, and SACRIFICIAL LAMB of our God and his God. I have him as the one my God MADE Lord over us.
You can also have him as these scriptural things he truly is, but for some reason, you keep trying to have him as something that was never taught in scripture.
Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 09 2012,22:14) Haven't I already answered this? Yes. And what exactly does this prove? Come on Mike, you're better than this.
Really Paul?Tonight you have told me that Jesus' God is the Father.
Then you just told me that your God is also Jesus' God. That means your God is also the Father.
Or maybe you've realised your argument has no basis and you've made a fool of yourself, so you feel the only tactic you have available to you is to parrot the same question all over the forum like the repetitive utterance will have some impact. It doesn't, not in my mind.
Maybe you're not better than this. Time will tell.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2012,15:19) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 09 2012,22:14) Haven't I already answered this? Yes. And what exactly does this prove? Come on Mike, you're better than this.
Really Paul?Tonight you have told me that Jesus' God is the Father.
Then you just told me that your God is also Jesus' God. That means your God is also the Father.
My God is the Father. I would never say otherwise.Mike and t8,
Quote Even being equal to something infers that you are not that thing you are equal. We are not saying that both are 'A' but that there is 'A' + 'B' +' C' = 'A,B,C' unity. We understand that YHWH is a unity of the Father, Son together with their Holy Spirit and you do not accept that. This is the difference.
How many persons that have been called 'the theos' anywhere in the Bible…:
1. do we need to know, believe in, and serve, in order to gain eternal life?
2. were involved in creating all things in heaven and on earth?
3. are mentioned in our prayers?
4. are we to believe in the power of their name?
5. are to receive all honor, and glory and praise for ever and ever?
6. sit together on the Father's throne.
Please answer all these questions, thanks!
Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 09 2012,22:02) Mike – instead of just throwing out baseless assertions DEFINE YOUR TERMS. Prove to us that it logically follows that since Yeshua has His Father as His God He is inferior in His nature
No, no, no, Paul. This is the game YOU like to play. I'm not into the “inferior in nature” stuff, for scripture doesn't speak anything about it. (Btw, I believe Jesus is EQUALLY a spirit being, just like his God and Father who created him as the first of His works……… and just like the many other spirit sons of God – the exception being that Jesus was the first to be brought forth into existence. So see? Your “nature” point wouldn't work with me anyway.)Paul, I won't get into a debate about fancy words and imagined philosophies. I will state the obvious:
1. Is there only ONE Almighty God? YES, for scripture highly attests such.
2. Does that ONE Almighty God have a Son named Jesus? YES, also scriptural.
Conclusion: Unless Jesus has a son named Jesus, he can't possibly be that ONE Almighty God.
3. Can Jesus logically be the very God he is the Son of? NO.
4. Is the God of Jesus also the God of us? Scripturally, YES. So unless the God of Jesus is a combo of the Father and the Son (making Jesus his own God), then OUR God isn't a combo of the Father and the Son.
See Paul? These things are just simple, down to earth scriptural facts – mixed with a little bit of God-given common sense. What more do we need? Fancy words to try to mislead us into believing things that go against the above things?
That's all you, dude. I'll take no part in it.
Paul, my God is also your God and the disciples God and Jesus' God. He is the ONE Almighty God, and He is the God of all of us, including His holy servant Jesus Christ.
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