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Cavedave,
You have much to offer so please stay.
Ignore the traditionalists and keep feeding truth for the sake of the SILENT listeners.Quote (cavedave @ Feb. 21 2012,00:11) Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 21 2012,15:12) Cavedave,
I was reading the above post of yours and was agreeing with you until you said that Jesus came in the natural and then the spiritual. I was wondering if you believe in the pre-existence of Jesus before His birth in Mary. Do you?Kathi
Jesus was a man born of a woman some 2000 years ago. He lived and learned and did things as a man just like us. We are born again by an incrutable seed by the word of God that lives and abides forever. All things came out from the one God. He speakes or expresess Himself and that is how He does or creates all things. He sent His word to save us. Jesus was the word made flesh an expresion of what was in the heart of the one true God. The man Jesus was not a man before He became a man. He was the word of God the seed or word was planted in Mary and became the man Jesus. Simple stuff. Flesh and blood does not enter in nor come from the kingdom of God. First the natural then the spritural. Jesus is our example let us all stick to the pattern. Peter said you are the Christ the son of the living God. Jesus said this is what the kingdom of God is built on. To many get hung up on the physcial man Jesus and never see the Christ of God. This is something God Himself must show you. So I believe you will believe what you want to until you either grow up or get truly born from above. Many are just children in the kingdom and as children do they fight to keep their place and kill all who would opose them. That is alright we were all children at one time. In the beginning was the word the scripture does not say in the beginning was this man named Jesus. Just some things to think about. But if you want it another way that is alright with me too. It does not matter if you agree with me in fact most dont and that is alright too.
cavedave,
The scripture does tell us that the Son laid the foundation of the earth and that the heavens are the works of His hands, so yes, the scriptures do tell us that the Son was there in the beginning.Kathi
Kathi,
The scripture does tell us that the Son laid the foundation of the earth and that the heavens are the works of His hands, so yes, the scriptures do tell us that the Son was there in the beginning.
Where does it say the SON did this?
God Bless
MarlinQuote
The scripture does tell us that the Son laid the foundation of the earth and that the heavens are the works of His hands
Hi Marlin,Where does it say the SON did this?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 22 2012,16:49) Quote
The scripture does tell us that the Son laid the foundation of the earth and that the heavens are the works of His hands
Hi Marlin,Where does it say the SON did this?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
Shalom Marlin,You weren't actually saying this?
B'shem, YHVH (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)Quote (cavedave @ Feb. 22 2012,12:03) You know what I really dont see the point. Forums seem to be mostly a waste of time. I think I could find better ways to spend it. You all have a nice day.
Cavedave. There is some posters here who you need to IGNORE. The way they treat you, it has happened so many times I guess people here are used to it. Don't take it personal. I was really interested in your posts. As Nick said, there ARE silent listeners, I'm one. So if you want to do a few more posts, I will silent read, as i'm sure others will. I can understand how you are feeling.Quote (shimmer @ Feb. 22 2012,22:17) Quote (cavedave @ Feb. 22 2012,12:03) You know what I really dont see the point. Forums seem to be mostly a waste of time. I think I could find better ways to spend it. You all have a nice day.
Cavedave. There is some posters here who you need to IGNORE. The way they treat you, it has happened so many times I guess people here are used to it. Don't take it personal. I was really interested in your posts. As Nick said, there ARE silent listeners, I'm one. So if you want to do a few more posts, I will silent read, as i'm sure others will. I can understand how you are feeling.
I learned many years ago not to take it personel. I know to forgive them because they dont know what they are doing.
I just dont know if I want to spend the time it takes to do this and would not want to be wasting said time if I could be doing something else. For those of you who already are growing I know who you are and our Father is faithfull. For those who think they are and are not but continue to attack and curse the true children all I see is something like what happened to the children of Israel in 70AD and they thought they had it right to. I will think about this and see where it may lead. I also know that no matter how much scripture you show those who are anti Christ they will never see nor hear the truth. Because Christ does not live in them they are always waiting and have no idea who or what God really is. If they knew they would be very scared very scared indeed.Cavedave……..You are right , Jesus said for the kingdom of God comes not with OBSERVATION becasue it is within you. Some here don;t see it is a Spiritual Kingdom and is In all who have the Spirit of the Living God (IN) them.
Please stay around and encourage us who do know what you are saying Brother.
Peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………………..gene
Quote The scripture does tell us that the Son laid the foundation of the earth and that the heavens are the works of His hands. Kathi, where does it say this?
Quote Shalom Marlin, You weren't actually saying this?
Hi Ed J, No I wasn't, I was asking Kathi for the scripture where it says the SON did those things. She hasn't responded yet.
God Bless
MarlinQuote (cavedave @ Feb. 23 2012,01:57) Quote (shimmer @ Feb. 22 2012,22:17) Quote (cavedave @ Feb. 22 2012,12:03) You know what I really dont see the point. Forums seem to be mostly a waste of time. I think I could find better ways to spend it. You all have a nice day.
Cavedave. There is some posters here who you need to IGNORE. The way they treat you, it has happened so many times I guess people here are used to it. Don't take it personal. I was really interested in your posts. As Nick said, there ARE silent listeners, I'm one. So if you want to do a few more posts, I will silent read, as i'm sure others will. I can understand how you are feeling.
I learned many years ago not to take it personel. I know to forgive them because they dont know what they are doing.
I just dont know if I want to spend the time it takes to do this and would not want to be wasting said time if I could be doing something else. For those of you who already are growing I know who you are and our Father is faithfull. For those who think they are and are not but continue to attack and curse the true children all I see is something like what happened to the children of Israel in 70AD and they thought they had it right to. I will think about this and see where it may lead. I also know that no matter how much scripture you show those who are anti Christ they will never see nor hear the truth. Because Christ does not live in them they are always waiting and have no idea who or what God really is. If they knew they would be very scared very scared indeed.
Cavedave, I feel I was encouraging you to do something that won't nessesarily be good for you.We have the need to speak our mind, heart and to do good, but when it becomes a battle which is unseen, it is really hard. Even now I feel a need to speak, but I'm controlling myself not to.
Do whats best for yourself.
Shimmer
I have been doing this for a long time.
There is nothing you could say to harm me.
I take some things others say into considaration but only do what I hear my Father say do.
I have been waiting for nearly 30 years for the times we are in now when i could have been doing many other things.
I am more then up to the task I really can do all things through Christ who is my strength.
Thank you for the thought. I will be just fine. I can guarntee you though that things around here will change big time. Because it is time. That is why I was a little hesatint about staying I believe many are in for a wake up call. All those who continue to treat their brothers and sisters like trash I would say time is up this will be no more.In Fact I will say you can know all the great mystries of the kingdom and treat your brother badly and find your self in the bread line. There are many here who just because they disagree about something think they have the right to say very rude and cutting remarks to another as if they are not related. Well in some cases that may be true. But many who think they are standing will find they are headed for a fall.
All the bible knowledge in the world will not help a cutting tounge and God is saying beware how you treat one another.
In the times we are in this will be more of a dividing line then any thing else. Moses hit the rock more then once and did not enter in to the promise land. Striking your brother or sister over doctrine will not be tolerated any longer. It is fine to disagree about things it is quite something else to call names and such like heartic and many others things because you think you are right. I would tell every one in the very kindest way beware of how you treat one another. Even how you treat unbelivers. So many think God is far off many are about to learn He is closer then your next breath.Hi CD,
This is a worldly forum so you will find every attitude apparent in the world.
Some are only here to throw stones from their religious towers.
But it is far better than it was two years ago.Most now are sincere seekers keen to learn.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 23 2012,07:31) Hi CD,
This is a worldly forum so you will find every attitude apparent in the world.
Some are only here to throw stones from their religious towers.
But it is far better than it was two years ago.Most now are sincere seekers keen to learn.
Hey Nick
Sounds good brother.
I like it when brothers can and do live in peace.
I know also that our Father is all about taking care of those who like to throw rocks. Many think this will never happen the truth is it is happening right now. He the Christ is walking amoung the candle sticks and it is He Himself who will deal with those who continue to act as if they are the judges and care takers of the children of God. The ones who are truly in charge will do so sternly and with the up most care. Our God is really a consuming fire and many things are so much diffrent then most know. The fear of the lord is about to become a very real thing to many. It is just time. Many of the peole God is sending out at the moment is for the sole porpose of checking peoples hearts that all would know what is really in them. The true children will not kill their own all will soon know who is and who inst. And it will be evedent to all with eyes to see and ears to hear. The biggest reason I did not want to stay was not about me it was about all of you.
Judgement is coming to the house of God. Even Jesus was smart enough to keep His mouth shut and let God sort it all out. Where does that leave all of us? There is a diffrence between sounding a warning and making a judgment against a brother or sister. Some things are all right for children to do many are past that stage and many are not even His children to begin with. Any place where any gather in the name of Christ there He will be in the midst of them and the warning is going out. I love all those here those who and who are not His but when I come I never come for no reason family business is all I am interested in and so is our Father.Quote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 21 2012,23:25) Kathi, The scripture does tell us that the Son laid the foundation of the earth and that the heavens are the works of His hands, so yes, the scriptures do tell us that the Son was there in the beginning.
Where does it say the SON did this?
God Bless
Marlin
Hi Marlin,
Heb 1:8 But of the Son He says,
“YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER,
AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.9“YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS;
THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU
WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS.”10And,
“YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH,
AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;11THEY WILL PERISH, BUT YOU REMAIN;
AND THEY ALL WILL BECOME OLD LIKE A GARMENT,12AND LIKE A MANTLE YOU WILL ROLL THEM UP;
LIKE A GARMENT THEY WILL ALSO BE CHANGED.
BUT YOU ARE THE SAME,
AND YOUR YEARS WILL NOT COME TO AN END.”Blessings,
KathiIt may be a good idea to not take one scripture and try to make a picture out of it that it is not really painting.
In the above taking these scriptures to say Jesus created all things in the sweet by and by at first looks like it may be a good idea to support the way we have been told it must have been. When in truth we must take all scripture as a whole to see what is really being said. So many just see Jesus at the cross jesus after the cross and jesus in the past as the word of God all as the same. Like he was a man in heaven or the unseen and God some how shrunk him down and put Him in Mary and now He still is this physcial man up in heaven. To the natural mind all this seems to make sense. The truth is much greater. If we would stick to the idea of God being one and go from there we would in a short time begin to grow by leaps and bounds. Trouble is we also become less popular with the status quo. Oh any way just some things to think about.Quote (cavedave @ Feb. 22 2012,17:03) You know what I really dont see the point. Forums seem to be mostly a waste of time. I think I could find better ways to spend it. You all have a nice day.
cdit seems you have a audience,so I leave to it ,
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