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Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2010,15:09) Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2010,12:49) Hi Mike, How does 'your theory' square with these verses…
Eph.4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are
called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,I don't understand. Does that scripture say to you that God's Holy Spirit IS God Himself?
mike
Hi Mike,What does the combination of Eph.4:6 combined with Matt.1:18, Matt.1:20 and Luke 1:35 say to you?
Matt.1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused
to Joseph, before they came (consummated) together, she was found with child of the HolySpirit.
Matt.1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto
him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:
for that which is conceived in her is of the HolySpirit. (Son of the HolySpirit = Son of God)
Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The HolySpirit shall come upon
thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that
holy thing(Jesus) which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ July 10 2010,21:21) Hi Oxy,
Have you not yet read of the finger of God?
Labels are now your only dogma defences?
Nick, I have read the finger of God, thanks. But don't really see what difference it makes. The Holy Spirit is still the Holy Spirit who conveys to us the things from the Father.Hi Ed Oxy and Nick,
I have just recieved a thought…..from where I can't say. I don't know if you guys have seen the X-Men films. My thought was of God's Holy Spirit as the character Storm's powers on X-Men.
She can send that power up into the atmosphere to create all kinds of weather……torndados, hail, ice storms, etc. But that power never actually disconnects from her as an entity while it is being sent. So it remains a part OF her at all times.
But on the other hand, her power cannot be considered as the entity of Storm. It isn't Storm the person, but her “active force” as the JWs say.
This makes perfect sense to me. God can send His Spirit out and about to accomplish certain things, like carrying His seed to Mary and such. But it never becomes disconnected from God at any time. It is not a separate entity in and of itself.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 11 2010,05:02) Hi Ed Oxy and Nick, I have just recieved a thought…..from where I can't say. I don't know if you guys have seen the X-Men films. My thought was of God's Holy Spirit as the character Storm's powers on X-Men.
She can send that power up into the atmosphere to create all kinds of weather……torndados, hail, ice storms, etc. But that power never actually disconnects from her as an entity while it is being sent. So it remains a part OF her at all times.
But on the other hand, her power cannot be considered as the entity of Storm. It isn't Storm the person, but her “active force” as the JWs say.
This makes perfect sense to me. God can send His Spirit out and about to accomplish certain things, like carrying His seed to Mary and such. But it never becomes disconnected from God at any time. It is not a separate entity in and of itself.
peace and love,
mike
Sounds good, except for the fact that Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when He had been baptized, went up immediately out of the water. And lo, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting upon Him.
Mat 3:17 And lo, a voice from Heaven, saying, This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.Scripture clearly shows Jesus being baptised, the Spirit descending on Him and the Father commending Him from Heaven.
Why are you so insistent that the Scriptures should fit your theology?
Hi Oxy,
How does your theory of isolating the HolySpirit square with these verses: Psalm 139:7-12?
Psalm 139:7-12 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; Even there
shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. If I say, Surely the darkness shall
cover me; even the night shall be light about me. Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee;
but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 11 2010,19:53) Hi Oxy, How does your theory of isolating the HolySpirit square with these verses: Psalm 139:7-12?
Psalm 139:7-12 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; Even there
shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. If I say, Surely the darkness shall
cover me; even the night shall be light about me. Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee;
but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I don't have a problem with those verses and can't imagine why you think I should have. Perhaps you should explain yourself a little better.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 11 2010,20:03) Hi OXY,
Psalm 139 shows GOD and HIS SPIRIT in parallel verses.
That's true Nick, the Father and the Spirit are one, as are the Father and the Son, and the Son and the Spirit, yet they are three. Look at this verse Psa 139:7 Where shall I go from Your Spirit? Or where shall I flee from Your presence?He asks two questions.
1 Where shall I go from Your Spirit?
2 where shall I flee from Your presence?If they were one and the same, why would He mention both?
Quote (Oxy @ July 11 2010,17:30) Sounds good, except for the fact that Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when He had been baptized, went up immediately out of the water. And lo, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting upon Him.
Mat 3:17 And lo, a voice from Heaven, saying, This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.Scripture clearly shows Jesus being baptised, the Spirit descending on Him and the Father commending Him from Heaven.
Why are you so insistent that the Scriptures should fit your theology?
How am I being “insistant”? I have barely come to this understanding. Anyway, Storm's “weather powers” can be doing their thing in the upper atmosphere at the same time she is talking to someone next to her on the ground.Why are you so insistant that God's Spirit must be a separate entity unconnected to Him?
mike
Quote (Oxy @ July 11 2010,18:01) Quote (Ed J @ July 11 2010,19:53) Hi Oxy, How does your theory of isolating the HolySpirit square with these verses: Psalm 139:7-12?
Psalm 139:7-12 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; Even there
shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. If I say, Surely the darkness shall
cover me; even the night shall be light about me. Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee;
but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I don't have a problem with those verses and can't imagine why you think I should have. Perhaps you should explain yourself a little better.
Hi Oxy,If God's “HolySpirit” is in me it doesn't mean he can't be in you at the same time.
At Jesus baptism He can be both inside and outside of Jesus at the same time.
Why is this “Bible Truth”=117 concept so very hard for you to grasp; Oxy?Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgI have never said that the Spirit is unconnected to God any more than I have said the Son is unconnected from the Father.
I apologise Mike that I called you insistant. That was more aimed at the forum as a whole. I should not have said that, I'm sorry.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 11 2010,21:12) Hi Oxy,
If the Lord is the Spirit why do you say there are three?
Why do you say there are two?1. Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when He had been baptized, went up immediately out of the water.
2. And lo, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting upon Him.
3. Mat 3:17 And lo, a voice from Heaven, saying, This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.You have Jesus, the Spirit lighting upon Him and the Father commending Him from Heaven. My maths isn't startling, but I counted three in that short passage of Scripture.
God the Father is an invisible spirit. He has a son who is the visible image of him.
Beware of those who try to confuse and change this simple truth written in scripture. More often than not, they are blinded by their own pride.Quote (t8 @ July 12 2010,19:59) God the Father is an invisible spirit. He has a son who is the visible image of him.
Beware of those who try to confuse and change this simple truth written in scripture. More often than not, they are blinded by their own pride.
Hi T8,Well said: Pride does get in many peoples way of seeing “Truth”! (Matt.10:38-40)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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