The Trinity Doctrine

Participant

Hi Mike,

How does 'your theory' square with these verses…
Eph.4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are
called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 9, 2010 at 2:46 am#202630

Participant

Hi ED,
God is indeed above all and in all the saved and acts through them.
That has nothing to do with the worldly though

July 9, 2010 at 2:47 am#202631

Participant

Hi ED,
God in heaven does all these things through His Spirit

July 9, 2010 at 3:03 am#202634

Participant

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2010,13:47)

Hi ED,
God in heaven does all these things through His Spirit

Hi Nick,

Would you NOW say God is separate from his Spirit?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 05 2010,07:50)

Hi OXY,
All three?
The Spirit of God is never separate from God

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 9, 2010 at 3:15 am#202636

Participant

Hi ED,
Never.
The Spirit is as the finger of God

July 9, 2010 at 3:21 am#202638

Participant

Hi ED,
Why would you think God could be separate from His Spirit?
We are blessed to share His Spirit in Christ

July 9, 2010 at 3:45 am#202639

Participant

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2010,14:21)

Hi ED,
Why would you think God could be separate from His Spirit?
We are blessed to share His Spirit in Christ

Hi Nick,

God's Spirit is God, of course He cannot be separate from himself!
'You' keep saying He is in Heaven and his Spirit is here,
makes me wonder what you mean; that's all.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 9, 2010 at 4:08 am#202640

Participant

Hi Ed,
What does scripture say
'Our Father which art in heaven…”
Of course God is close to all men and in His beloved by His Spirit.

We form a temple on earth for God's Spirit[eph2.21-22]
In our temple we are helped by God's Spirit to worship and serve God in heaven.[Jn4,Rom8,1Peter 2,5]

July 9, 2010 at 4:14 am#202641

Participant

Hi ED,
In Jesus we have access to God by that Spirit.
Eph2.18

July 9, 2010 at 6:38 am#202663

Participant

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2010,17:14)

Hi ED,
In Jesus we have access to God by that Spirit.
Eph2.18

So why is it written that the Father sent the Spirit if the Father is the spirit? That doesn't make sense.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.

July 9, 2010 at 7:09 am#202672

Participant

Hi Oxy,
God did not send Himself but His finger.
His Spirit is how He manifests in creation.

July 9, 2010 at 7:15 am#202675

Participant

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2010,20:09)

Hi Oxy,
God did not send Himself but His finger.
His Spirit is how He manifests in creation.

He sent His finger? Since when has a spirit been a finger? Have you got Scripture that says the Holy Spirit is a finger? ? ?

July 9, 2010 at 9:56 am#202683

Participant

Hi Oxy,
Yes
Compare Lk11 with Mt 12.

July 9, 2010 at 6:54 pm#202732

davidbfun

Participant

I used to explain the Trinity using the example of how water = H2O could be in three different properties/states yet still be ONE water:

Liquid; water
Solid; ice
Gas; vapor

Without thinking about the physical composition I forgot that water isn’t one pure substance such as God is but consists of TWO gases, Hydrogen(2) and Oxygen, and is therefore is an erroneous analogy and not a good example of the Trinity but is better an analogy of the Family of God; Mother (God, the Holy Spirit), Father (God, the Father), Son OF God (NOT God).

The Mother (Holy Spirit) and Father (YHVH) would be the two molecules of Hydrogen (God) and the Son would be the Oxygen and together they make up Water which is necessary for our survival,
and Oxygen (son) ≠ Hydrogen (God),
but Hydrogen (God) = Hydrogen (God)

Now, I like the concept of an “apple” that consists of the apple/fruit (Father) and the core/seed (Holy Spirit). The fruit is good to look at and eat but if you want another you need to plant the seed of the apple to produce more trees and more fruit.

Symbolically; if the person places the seed into their heart then they will reproduce….and this is the same seed that the son has in him.

How would you describe the way you see (explain) God?

I am sure there are more romantic ways to give an analogy…

David

July 9, 2010 at 7:13 pm#202735

Participant

Quote (davidbfun @ July 10 2010,05:54)

I used to explain the Trinity using the example of how water = H2O could be in three different properties/states yet still be ONE water:

Liquid; water
Solid; ice
Gas; vapor

Symbolically; if the person places the seed into their heart then they will reproduce….and this is the same seed that the son has in him.

How would you describe the way you see (explain) God?

I am sure there are more romantic ways to give an analogy…

David

Hi David-be-fun,

The “HolySpirit” is (YHVH) “The LORD JEHOVAH”!
Are the “Son of God” and the “Son of Man” two as well?
What about plasma; how does that fit into your trinity analogy?

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 9, 2010 at 11:00 pm#202764

Participant

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2010,22:56)

Hi Oxy,
Yes
Compare Lk11 with Mt 12.

What verses Nick?

July 10, 2010 at 12:31 am#202774

Participant

Hi Oxy,
You can't have looked very hard.
Mt12.28/ Lk11.20

July 10, 2010 at 4:09 am#202790

mikeboll64

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Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2010,12:49)

Hi Mike,

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed,

I don't understand. Does that scripture say to you that God's Holy Spirit IS God Himself?

mike

July 10, 2010 at 5:11 am#202797

Participant

Hi MB,
God is in creation and in His children as His Spirit.

July 10, 2010 at 7:42 am#202822