The Trinity Doctrine

[Oxy]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2010,03:58)

Quote (Oxy @ July 04 2010,16:46) I believe the Bible. The Bible tells me that at the birth of Christ God became a Father. The Bible tells me that the Word of God was with God and was God, and He was made flesh and called Jesus. The Bible tells me that the Holy Spirit was sent by God to tell us the things He hears, and to be a comforter etc. When Jesus was baptised the Holy Spirit came upon Him and the Son was commended by the Father.  All three were obviously involved there. This has worked for me.  God certainly hasn't told me differently, in fact when I asked Him about it, He described it to me the same way I have described it to you in this forum, but nobody seems to want to know, they prefer to stick with their own beliefs, and that's fine by me. We are made in the likeness of God.  We are a three part being consisting of body, soul and spirit.  God is One, consisting of three, just like us. Hi Oxy, You said: Quote but nobody seems to want to know, they prefer to stick with their own beliefs, That's what I think about you.  You keep pushing this “there were three” stand, and I keep asking, “So what?  How does there being three mean they are all God?” You keep pushing John 1:1, but I've showed you the Greek in which John clearly distinguishes one as THE God, and one as god. I've showed you that being at someone's right hand isn't a place of equality or “sameness”. I've showed you that Jesus still calls the One he said was “our God and his God” “my God”. Please understand this, for it means eternal life.  Pray about it. John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, [SOMEOME OTHER THAN THE ONLY TRUE GOD] whom you have sent. peace and love, mike

Hi Mike, I think we are pretty much on the same track. I have never claimed equality between Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Scripture makes it quite apparent that this is not the case.

When I stop hearing from God I will be concerned about my salvation.

[NickHassan]

Hi Oxy,
The vital questions you do not want to ask?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
We do not imagine the Spirit of God to be like ours.
God is greater.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
The Spirit of God helps us worship God[Rom8]
But then our hands help feed us.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 05 2010,21:03)

Hi MB, The Spirit of God helps us worship God[Rom8] But then our hands help feed us.

This is what I mean Nick.

You say the spirit of God helps us to worship God. So then the Holy Spirit must be something separate from God in order for it to help us worship God, right? Otherwise it would be like you just said, “God helps us worship God”.

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Oxy @ July 05 2010,17:04)

Hi Mike, I think we are pretty much on the same track. I have never claimed equality between Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Scripture makes it quite apparent that this is not the case. When I stop hearing from God I will be concerned about my salvation.

Hi Oxy,

So you agree that Jesus is someone other than “the only true God”? So Jesus is NOT God, right?

mike

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2010,04:22)

…it would be like you just said, “God helps us worship God”. mike

Hi Mike,

That's right! (Matt.19:26)

Matt.19:26 …with God all things are possible. (Rom.10:17)

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Try and manage without the help of your fingers.
The Spirit is as the finger of God.[Lk11/mt12]

Stop trying to put the quicksilver Spirit of God in a human box.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 06 2010,06:58)

Hi MB, Try and manage without the help of your fingers. The Spirit is as the finger of God.[Lk11/mt12] Stop trying to put the quicksilver Spirit of God in a human box.

Okay. I think I get it. Although His finger is a part of Him, He is able to just reach down His finger to help us lift a load we cannot carry alone. But it is not as if His whole person came to help us with the load, right?

mike

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
God IS in heaven as that is where we are told to pray to Him.
But if you caught your finger in a door would YOU be hurt?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 06 2010,10:14)

Hi MB, God IS in heaven as that is where we are told to pray to Him. But if you caught your finger in a door would YOU be hurt?

Is he in heaven or inside of us? Both? Even as Jesus explained that the Father was in him and he in the Father, he made it clear that the Father was in heaven.

Or could it be like when I say “My thoughts and prayers are with you even though you are so far away”? Are my thoughts and prayers an actual physicality that manifest inside that person?

My Father is in me in that He guides me through spirit. The entity of God is not physically inside of my human body.

mike

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
He is in heaven and in us BY His Spirit.
God is never separate from His Spirit so we are joined with Him in Christ.
jn17.21

[Oxy]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2010,06:24)

Quote (Oxy @ July 05 2010,17:04) Hi Mike,  I think we are pretty much on the same track.  I have never claimed equality between Father, Son and Holy Spirit.  Scripture makes it quite apparent that this is not the case.   When I stop hearing from God I will be concerned about my salvation. Hi Oxy, So you agree that Jesus is someone other than “the only true God”?  So Jesus is NOT God, right? mike

Jesus has been restored to His former glory as the Word of God who was with God and was God as in John 1. That is my understanding from the Scriptures.

I have no problem with seeing God as a three part being, because as I've stated before we, also three parts, are made in His likeness. (Not co-equal)

[NickHassan]

Hi Oxy,
That is your design of your god.
But Jesus spoke of the God of Israel.

test the spirits

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Oxy @ July 07 2010,07:12)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2010,06:24) Quote (Oxy @ July 05 2010,17:04) Hi Mike,  I think we are pretty much on the same track.  I have never claimed equality between Father, Son and Holy Spirit.  Scripture makes it quite apparent that this is not the case.   When I stop hearing from God I will be concerned about my salvation. Hi Oxy, So you agree that Jesus is someone other than “the only true God”?  So Jesus is NOT God, right? mike Jesus has been restored to His former glory as the Word of God who was with God and was God as in John 1.  That is my understanding from the Scriptures. I have no problem with seeing God as a three part being, because as I've stated before we, also three parts, are made in His likeness. (Not co-equal)

Hi Oxy,

Actually scripture teaches Jesus is the Son of God, not God. Even restored to his previous glory and postition, he is at the right hand of the One he calls “my God”. He told us that our God was his God.

Where do you find support for your “3 in 1” beliefs? Surely not from scriptures.

mike

[Oxy]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 07 2010,13:12)

Quote (Oxy @ July 07 2010,07:12) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2010,06:24) Quote (Oxy @ July 05 2010,17:04) Hi Mike,  I think we are pretty much on the same track.  I have never claimed equality between Father, Son and Holy Spirit.  Scripture makes it quite apparent that this is not the case.   When I stop hearing from God I will be concerned about my salvation. Hi Oxy, So you agree that Jesus is someone other than “the only true God”?  So Jesus is NOT God, right? mike Jesus has been restored to His former glory as the Word of God who was with God and was God as in John 1.  That is my understanding from the Scriptures. I have no problem with seeing God as a three part being, because as I've stated before we, also three parts, are made in His likeness. (Not co-equal) Hi Oxy, Actually scripture teaches Jesus is the Son of God, not God.  Even restored to his previous glory and postition, he is at the right hand of the One he calls “my God”.  He told us that our God was his God. Where do you find support for your “3 in 1” beliefs?  Surely not from scriptures. mike

Of course I get it from the Scriptures Mike.

The simplest explaination is in Luk 3:22 And the Holy Spirit came down in a bodily shape, like a dove on Him. And a voice came from Heaven, which said, You are My Son, the Beloved; I am delighted in You.

Can you not see three taking part there? Also, if you have a look in:

Joh 3:8 The Spirit breathes where He desires, and you hear His voice, but you do not know from where He comes, and where He goes; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.

Joh 14:17 the Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive because it does not see Him nor know Him. But you know Him, for He dwells with you and shall be in you.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.

Joh 16:13 However, when He, the Spirit of Truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth. For He shall not speak of Himself, but whatever He hears, He shall speak. And He will announce to you things to come.

So you can see the He the Holy Spirit breathes, has a voice, comforts, hears, guides and speaks Sounds pretty convincing to me.

[NickHassan]

Hi Oxy,
Is inference enough for one who hears God?

[Oxy]

Inference Nick? It looks pretty plain to me.

[NickHassan]

Hi Oxy,
So your standard of proof is not very high?[2Cor13.1]

[Oxy]

The Spirit bears witness Nick. I cannot deny it. jn.16.12-14

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