The Trinity Doctrine

[KangarooJack]

BUMPED FROM SEPTEMBER 13 2009

Okay t8,

I almost forgot that you never answered how Jesus could be God “qualitatively” without being God.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 13 2009,09:16)

Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 12 2009,13:37) t8's source says: Quote But can we really read the word 'Theos' in John 1:1c as qualitative rather using it to refer to an identity? The most likely candidate is that the last instance of 'theos' (in John 1:1c) is qualitative. This is true both grammatically and theologically. (Also, if The Logos was 'the God' in identity, then the verse would be saying that the Logos is exclusively God and no other.) So we have 2 good reasons now for reading the last word 'God' as qualitive. (In rebuttal to this, some say that God in the New Testament doesn't always have an article (the) preceeding it and in John 1:1c it is removed because the sentence cannot be constructed in this fashion. But the answer here is that John 1:1c can be qualitative in a gramatical sense and contextually and ly, but contextually speaking there is one God and one Word, so we cannot read the Word as God in identity because that makes the Word excquite simple. When talking of Adam for example (the first man) we can refer to Adam as both THE man and man.) One identifies him and the other classifies him. Similarly we can also refer to God as the God and God/god. The statement above from t8's source relects more of the same anti-trinitarian double talk. If the Word  was God “qualitatively” then we may read John 1:1c thus, “…And the Word was divine.” This means that what God was the Word was, “The Word dwelt with God, and what God was, the Word was” (The New English Bible). Would someone please explain how the reading of the word “God” in a qualitative sense disproves Trinitarianism?   thinker Hi Jack Excellent point! There is more information exposing the distortions of the Henotheistic belief here… I am curious what “verses” that t8 thinks have been added to the scriptures and what proof he has! It is interesting how the Arian unbelievers find fault in scriptures or claim corruption while Trinitarians claim inspiration! BTW Jack his source is his own writings! Blessings WJ

Kangaroo Jack

[NickHassan]

Hi KJ,
There is no trinity god.
That speculation arose among the carnal who did not Know God or His Son.

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 11 2010,10:08)

Hi KJ, There is no trinity god. That speculation arose among the carnal who did not Know God or His Son.

Nick,

Please let t8 answer. Every once in a while it comes to me that he has not explained his discrepancy. Let him explain please.

thanks,

KJ

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 10 2010,12:57)

Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2010,07:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 10 2010,06:35) John 3:16 For God (YHVH=63) so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Where in this verse says HE gave HIS son to die? Hi BD, Rev.13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him(Who? you know who! The 'curse'=66), whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Hebrews 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Hebrews 9:14-16 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God(Our YHVH=117), purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for this cause he is the mediator of the new “Testament”=117, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of “the testator”=151. “Jesus Christ”=151 was indeed “the Testator”=151! It is 'YOU' who needs to REPENT! (Luke 13:3)                             “YHVH is GOD”=117 PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]! Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org You believe that Jesus is dead

Hi BD,

Gal:1:1: Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
Rom:6:9: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
1Cor:6:14: And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi KJ,
There is no greater discrepancy than the trinity blunder.

[Ed J]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 11 2010,10:36)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 11 2010,10:08) Hi KJ, There is no trinity god. That speculation arose among the carnal who did not Know God or His Son. Nick, Please let t8 answer. Every once in a while it comes to me that he has not explained his discrepancy. Let him explain please. thanks, KJ

Hi Jack,

So you 'think' others should explain perceived discrepancies but not you?

Ed J

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ June 11 2010,12:35)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 10 2010,12:57) Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2010,07:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 10 2010,06:35) John 3:16 For God (YHVH=63) so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Where in this verse says HE gave HIS son to die? Hi BD, Rev.13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him(Who? you know who! The 'curse'=66), whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Hebrews 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Hebrews 9:14-16 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God(Our YHVH=117), purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for this cause he is the mediator of the new “Testament”=117, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of “the testator”=151. “Jesus Christ”=151 was indeed “the Testator”=151! It is 'YOU' who needs to REPENT! (Luke 13:3)                             “YHVH is GOD”=117 PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]! Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org You believe that Jesus is dead Hi BD, Gal:1:1: Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;) Rom:6:9: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 1Cor:6:14: And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power. Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

So death did have Dominion over him?

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 11 2010,13:42)

So death did have Dominion over him?

Hi BD,

Keep asking questions BD, that's how 'you' learn! (Matt.7:7 / 2Tm.2:13)

Hebrews 9:27-28 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look
for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

You too can your own personal “Pentecost”=117!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ June 11 2010,14:36)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 11 2010,13:42) So death did have Dominion over him? Hi BD, Keep asking questions BD, that's how 'you' learn! (Matt.7:7 / 2Tm.2:13) Hebrews 9:27-28 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. You too can your own personal “Pentecost”=117! Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

So it was appointed for him to die once? So, what happened to all the sin he carried is it already off of him and if so what about the sins of today? Is he bearing them still for the sinners?

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 11 2010,15:56)

Quote (Ed J @ June 11 2010,14:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 11 2010,13:42) So death did have Dominion over him? Hi BD, Keep asking questions BD, that's how 'you' learn! (Matt.7:7 / 2Tm.2:13) Hebrews 9:27-28 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. You too can your own personal “Pentecost”=117! Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org So it was appointed for him to die once? So, what happened to all the sin he carried is it already off of him and if so what about the sins of today? Is he bearing them still for the sinners?

Hi BD,

Heb.10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ June 11 2010,16:12)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 11 2010,15:56) Quote (Ed J @ June 11 2010,14:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 11 2010,13:42) So death did have Dominion over him? Hi BD, Keep asking questions BD, that's how 'you' learn! (Matt.7:7 / 2Tm.2:13) Hebrews 9:27-28 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. You too can your own personal “Pentecost”=117! Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org So it was appointed for him to die once? So, what happened to all the sin he carried is it already off of him and if so what about the sins of today? Is he bearing them still for the sinners? Hi BD, Heb.10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

But Paul said that Christ can not die for sin again so if you sin after accepting him you are condemned

Hebrews 6:6 (King James Version)

6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 11 2010,16:25)

Quote (Ed J @ June 11 2010,16:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 11 2010,15:56) Quote (Ed J @ June 11 2010,14:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 11 2010,13:42) So death did have Dominion over him? Hi BD, Keep asking questions BD, that's how 'you' learn! (Matt.7:7 / 2Tm.2:13) Hebrews 9:27-28 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. You too can your own personal “Pentecost”=117! Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org So it was appointed for him to die once? So, what happened to all the sin he carried is it already off of him and if so what about the sins of today? Is he bearing them still for the sinners? Hi BD, Heb.10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org But Paul said that Christ can not die for sin again so if you sin after accepting him you are condemned Hebrews 6:6 (King James Version) 6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Hi BD,

You mean I waste my time with you, because you have fallen away?

Ed J

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ June 11 2010,17:32)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 11 2010,16:25) Quote (Ed J @ June 11 2010,16:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 11 2010,15:56) Quote (Ed J @ June 11 2010,14:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 11 2010,13:42) So death did have Dominion over him? Hi BD, Keep asking questions BD, that's how 'you' learn! (Matt.7:7 / 2Tm.2:13) Hebrews 9:27-28 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. You too can your own personal “Pentecost”=117! Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org So it was appointed for him to die once? So, what happened to all the sin he carried is it already off of him and if so what about the sins of today? Is he bearing them still for the sinners? Hi BD, Heb.10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org But Paul said that Christ can not die for sin again so if you sin after accepting him you are condemned Hebrews 6:6 (King James Version) 6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Hi BD, You mean I waste my time with you, because you have fallen away? Ed J

What do you do when you sin now, ED? Do you put Jesus to open shame?

Also have sinned at all in the last year or so?

[Anonymous]

everyone acts like Oh, God couldnt do that.. nothings to hard for God.(sitting on the right hand) doesnt literally mean(sitting by someone). It means POWER! JESUS has all authority, you cant literally sit by a spirit.Didnt the word become flesh?

katjo

[mikeboll64]

Quote (katjo @ June 12 2010,12:43)

everyone acts like Oh, God couldnt do that.. nothings to hard for God.(sitting on the right hand) doesnt literally mean(sitting by someone). It means POWER! JESUS has all authority, you cant literally sit by a spirit.Didnt the word become flesh? katjo

Hi katjo,

Sitting at someone's right hand is a metaphor for having the most power and authority BESIDES the person who's right hand you are at. It is a place of honor GIVEN by the person who's right hand you are at. Think “right hand man”. It means your “go to guy”. It does not EVER mean your equal. And it definitely NEVER means you are the same being as that one.

You say Jesus has “all power and authority”. Does that mean the Father has none?

peace and love,
mike

[NickHassan]

Hi Kat,
Try Acts 10.38 and see Who gave him power.

[Anonymous]

mikeboll64… I'll let you ask God that,, His word says it! You cannot pick one scripture after another, you have got to put them together before you can sart understanding. You need a shepard!

katjo

[mikeboll64]

Quote (katjo @ June 12 2010,14:08)

mikeboll64… I'll let you ask God that,, His word says it! You cannot pick one scripture after another, you have got to put them together before you can sart understanding. You need a shepard! katjo

Hi katjo,

Really? Why can't you answer the question? If Jesus literally has ALL power and authority, then the Father has none. So maybe the “all” is relative?

mike

[NickHassan]

Hi Kat,
So please start with Acts 10.38

[Ed J]

Hi BD,

What does perfection in Christ mean?

There is only one way to be perfect and that’s to stop sinning (Matt. 5:44)! This
This can only be done with the Holy Spirit tabernacleing on the inside (Heb. 8:10).

A progression away from the old sinful nature:

1John has a progression away from sin. Starting at 1John 1:8:
“If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves”…
Sinners practice sin!

Progressing to 1John 3:9: “Whoever is born of God does not commit sin;
For his seed remainith in him: and he cannot sin (AS A USUAL PRACTICE),
because he is borne of God.”
Practice of sin diminishes!

Finishing in 1John 5:18: “We know that whosoever is borne of God SINNETH NOT;
But he that is begotten of God keepeth (GUARDS) himself,
and that wicked one (Satan) toucheth him not.
All sinning STOPS; fulfilling Matt. 5:44! (Eph.4:13)

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.com

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