The Trinity Doctrine

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2010,15:57)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 06 2010,15:37) Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2010,15:07) Hi BD, If your still willing to 'learn', then ask a question; OK? You asking loaded questions PROVES NOTHING! Ed J Stop taking the position of teacher you don't need to try to be special just speak the truth. How do you feel about Jesus “dying for your sins”? Hi BD, It was very nice of him and proves how very much he loves me. (Rom.5:8) Ed J

Would you rather he not died for you? Do you love him that much?

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 06 2010,17:49)

Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2010,15:57) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 06 2010,15:37) Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2010,15:07) Hi BD, If your still willing to 'learn', then ask a question; OK? You asking loaded questions PROVES NOTHING! Ed J Stop taking the position of teacher you don't need to try to be special just speak the truth. How do you feel about Jesus “dying for your sins”? Hi BD, It was very nice of him and proves how very much he loves me. (Rom.5:8) Ed J Would you rather he not died for you? Do you love him that much?

Hi BD,

Jesus died almost 2,000 years ago!
Your questions are becoming more and more 'irrational'.
You should REALLY drop the 'book of fraud', it is making you come unhinged.

Ed J

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ June 07 2010,05:53)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 06 2010,17:49) Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2010,15:57) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 06 2010,15:37) Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2010,15:07) Hi BD, If your still willing to 'learn', then ask a question; OK? You asking loaded questions PROVES NOTHING! Ed J Stop taking the position of teacher you don't need to try to be special just speak the truth. How do you feel about Jesus “dying for your sins”? Hi BD, It was very nice of him and proves how very much he loves me. (Rom.5:8) Ed J Would you rather he not died for you? Do you love him that much? Hi BD, Jesus died almost 2,000 years ago! Your questions are becoming more and more 'irrational'. You should REALLY drop the 'book of fraud', it is making you come unhinged. Ed J

Do you love him that much?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (katjo @ June 05 2010,14:01)

mikeboll64 You might want to read my post at top of the page. kstjo

Hi Katjo,

And you might want to read only two little scriptures:

John 17:3 NIV
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

1 Corinthians 8:6 NIV
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

The use of the word “and” in these verses implies that two persons are talked of, but only one of them is God.

Need anyone say more?

peace and love,
mike

[Anonymous]

Your forgetting he humbled Himself(to be one of us)came into His own ;he was God and Man) and the word became flesh(john) and returned to the glory He had before the world was. he is called our Everlasting Father. he fulfilled the scriptures and in Rev said; It it finished!

katjo

[NickHassan]

Hi Kat,
Funny then that he said the Father was the one the jews called God and he was the son of God.
But I guess tradition can't be wrong for you.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (katjo @ June 07 2010,13:27)

Your forgetting he humbled Himself(to be one of us)came into His own ;he was God and Man) and the word became flesh(john)  and returned to the glory He had before the world was. he is called our Everlasting Father. he fulfilled the scriptures and in Rev said; It it finished! katjo

Hi Katjo,

What is that previous glory he returned to? He sits at the right hand of the One he calls “my God”. Does that sound like equality to you?

peace and love,
mike

[JustAskin]

Katjo,

Can you explain how, when he emptied himself of his divinity, he was 'still God'?

[A] God cannot die – [A] God is immortal – [A] God is eternal.

And, when he died…As what did he die, God or Man?

And, if he died as God, then what does Scriptures say concerning those who do not believe that this didn't happen?

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 07 2010,10:44)

Quote (Ed J @ June 07 2010,05:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 06 2010,17:49) Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2010,15:57) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 06 2010,15:37) Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2010,15:07) Hi BD, If your still willing to 'learn', then ask a question; OK? You asking loaded questions PROVES NOTHING! Ed J Stop taking the position of teacher you don't need to try to be special just speak the truth. How do you feel about Jesus “dying for your sins”? Hi BD, It was very nice of him and proves how very much he loves me. (Rom.5:8) Ed J Would you rather he not died for you? Do you love him that much? Hi BD, Jesus died almost 2,000 years ago! Your questions are becoming more and more 'irrational'. You should REALLY drop the 'book of fraud', it is making you come unhinged. Ed J Do you love him that much?

Hi BD,

Isa. (is Arabic for Jesus) 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people
draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed
their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
BD, you should REALLY drop the 'book of fraud', it is making you come unhinged.

Ed J

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2010,02:08)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 07 2010,10:44) Quote (Ed J @ June 07 2010,05:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 06 2010,17:49) Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2010,15:57) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 06 2010,15:37) Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2010,15:07) Hi BD, If your still willing to 'learn', then ask a question; OK? You asking loaded questions PROVES NOTHING! Ed J Stop taking the position of teacher you don't need to try to be special just speak the truth. How do you feel about Jesus “dying for your sins”? Hi BD, It was very nice of him and proves how very much he loves me. (Rom.5:8) Ed J Would you rather he not died for you? Do you love him that much? Hi BD, Jesus died almost 2,000 years ago! Your questions are becoming more and more 'irrational'. You should REALLY drop the 'book of fraud', it is making you come unhinged. Ed J Do you love him that much? Hi BD, Isa. (is Arabic for Jesus) 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: BD, you should REALLY drop the 'book of fraud', it is making you come unhinged. Ed J

So would you prefer that Jesus have been saved by God from the cross or that he get crucified for your sins?

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 10 2010,02:55)

Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2010,02:08) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 07 2010,10:44) Quote (Ed J @ June 07 2010,05:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 06 2010,17:49) Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2010,15:57) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 06 2010,15:37) Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2010,15:07) Hi BD, If your still willing to 'learn', then ask a question; OK? You asking loaded questions PROVES NOTHING! Ed J Stop taking the position of teacher you don't need to try to be special just speak the truth. How do you feel about Jesus “dying for your sins”? Hi BD, It was very nice of him and proves how very much he loves me. (Rom.5:8) Ed J Would you rather he not died for you? Do you love him that much? Hi BD, Jesus died almost 2,000 years ago! Your questions are becoming more and more 'irrational'. You should REALLY drop the 'book of fraud', it is making you come unhinged. Ed J Do you love him that much? Hi BD, Isa. (is Arabic for Jesus) 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: BD, you should REALLY drop the 'book of fraud', it is making you come unhinged. Ed J So would you prefer that Jesus have been saved by God from the cross or that he get crucified for your sins?

Hi BD,

That is what you want to believe, but it is un-Scriptural?
Rev.13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him(Who? you know who! The 'curse'=66),
whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

John 12:27: Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father,
save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.

Jesus=74 + Cross=74 = (פסח=148) “The Passover”=148
The “Gospel” is the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ! (Matt.26:28)
Until you fully believe this “Bible Truth”=117, there is no remission of your sins!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2010,03:45)

Hi BD, That is what you want to believe, but it is un-Scriptural? Rev.13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him(Who? you know who! The 'curse'=66), whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. John 12:27: Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour. Jesus=74 + Cross=74 = (פסח=148) “The Passover”=148 The “Gospel” is the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ! (Matt.26:28) Until you fully believe this “Bible Truth”=117, there is no remission of your sins! Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

John 12:27: Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father,
save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.

Wow! it seems John was uninformed about this:

1.Matthew 26:39
And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Matthew 26:38-40 (in Context) Matthew 26 (Whole Chapter)
2.Matthew 26:42
He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
Matthew 26:41-43 (in Context) Matthew 26 (Whole Chapter)
3.Mark 14:36
And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.
Mark 14:35-37 (in Context) Mark 14 (Whole Chapter)
4.Luke 22:42
Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
Luke 22:41-43 (in Context) Luke 22 (Whole Chapter)

So which was it, did he ask to be saved from that hour or not? which is incorrect or corrupt?

[bodhitharta]

The fact is he did ask to be saved and was heard as God always listened to Jesus and Jesus was SAVED from the cross and I am GLAD that GOD SAVES.

Praise GOD!

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 10 2010,03:59)

The fact is he did ask to be saved and was heard as God always listened to Jesus and Jesus was SAVED from the cross and I am GLAD that GOD SAVES. Praise GOD!

What you state here is a blatant LIE, by satan himself!

Drop the 'book of fraud'! You really need to read “The Bible”=63 in context!
Mark 14:36: And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee;
take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou will.

John 3:16 For God (YHVH=63) so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

If you don't believe in him, what makes you think you can be saved?
(Matt.26:28 / Mark 14:24 / Luke 22:20 / John 6:53 / Acts 20:28 /
Rom.5:9 / 1Cor.10:16 / Eph.1:7 / Eph.2:13 / Col.1:14 / Col.1:20 /
Heb.9:14 / Heb.9:22 / Heb.10:19 / Heb.10:29 / Heb.13:12 / Heb.13:20 /
1Peter 1:2 / 1Peter 1:19 / 1John 1:7 / Rev. 1:5 / Rev.7:14 / Rev.12:11)
All these verses bear witness against you and your phony 'curse' of a god!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 10 2010,03:59)

The fact is he did ask to be saved and was heard as God always listened to Jesus and Jesus was SAVED from the cross and I am GLAD that GOD SAVES. Praise GOD!

Hi BD,

This is now the fourth time you and your phony curse of a god lost the battle!
Here is the record of the other three times! (Last Post on Page)

B'Shem,
YHVH!

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2010,04:30)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 10 2010,03:59) The fact is he did ask to be saved and was heard as God always listened to Jesus and Jesus was SAVED from the cross and I am GLAD that GOD SAVES. Praise GOD! What you state here is a blatant LIE, by satan himself! Drop the 'book of fraud'! You really need to read “The Bible”=63 in context! Mark 14:36: And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou will. John 3:16 For God (YHVH=63) so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. If you don't believe in him, what makes you think you can be saved? (Matt.26:28 / Mark 14:24 / Luke 22:20 / John 6:53 / Acts 20:28 / Rom.5:9 / 1Cor.10:16 / Eph.1:7 / Eph.2:13 / Col.1:14 / Col.1:20 / Heb.9:14 / Heb.9:22 / Heb.10:19 / Heb.10:29 / Heb.13:12 / Heb.13:20 / 1Peter 1:2 / 1Peter 1:19 / 1John 1:7 / Rev. 1:5 / Rev.7:14 / Rev.12:11) All these verses bear witness against you and your phony 'curse' of a god! Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

John 3:16 For God (YHVH=63) so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Where in this verse says HE gave HIS son to die?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2010,04:37)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 10 2010,03:59) The fact is he did ask to be saved and was heard as God always listened to Jesus and Jesus was SAVED from the cross and I am GLAD that GOD SAVES. Praise GOD! Hi BD, This is now the fourth time you and your phony curse of a god lost the battle! Here is the record of the other three times! (Last Post on Page) B'Shem, YHVH!

How exactly did I lose a battle? And why would I be in a battle simply revealing the truth?

Wow! Now you are cursing God? I can no longer carry on a conversation with you any debate with you at this point is without any friendship attached.

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 10 2010,06:35)

John 3:16 For God (YHVH=63) so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Where in this verse says HE gave HIS son to die?

Hi BD,

Rev.13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him(Who? you know who! The 'curse'=66),
whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Hebrews 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus,
that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Hebrews 9:14-16 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through
the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God(Our YHVH=117),
purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new “Testament”=117,
that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that
were under the first testament, they which are called might receive
the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is,
there must also of necessity be the death of “the testator”=151.
“Jesus Christ”=151 was indeed “the Testator”=151!
It is 'YOU' who needs to REPENT! (Luke 13:3)

                            “YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2010,07:39)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 10 2010,06:35) John 3:16 For God (YHVH=63) so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Where in this verse says HE gave HIS son to die? Hi BD, Rev.13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him(Who? you know who! The 'curse'=66), whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Hebrews 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Hebrews 9:14-16 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God(Our YHVH=117), purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for this cause he is the mediator of the new “Testament”=117, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of “the testator”=151. “Jesus Christ”=151 was indeed “the Testator”=151! It is 'YOU' who needs to REPENT! (Luke 13:3)                             “YHVH is GOD”=117 PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]! Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

You believe that Jesus is dead

[KangarooJack]

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Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Sep. 13 2009,04:37)

t8's source says: Quote But can we really read the word 'Theos' in John 1:1c as qualitative rather using it to refer to an identity? The most likely candidate is that the last instance of 'theos' (in John 1:1c) is qualitative. This is true both grammatically and theologically. (Also, if The Logos was 'the God' in identity, then the verse would be saying that the Logos is exclusively God and no other.) So we have 2 good reasons now for reading the last word 'God' as qualitive. (In rebuttal to this, some say that God in the New Testament doesn't always have an article (the) preceeding it and in John 1:1c it is removed because the sentence cannot be constructed in this fashion. But the answer here is that John 1:1c can be qualitative in a gramatical sense and contextually and ly, but contextually speaking there is one God and one Word, so we cannot read the Word as God in identity because that makes the Word excquite simple. When talking of Adam for example (the first man) we can refer to Adam as both THE man and man.) One identifies him and the other classifies him. Similarly we can also refer to God as the God and God/god. The statement above from t8's source relects more of the same anti-trinitarian double talk. If the Word  was God “qualitatively” then we may read John 1:1c thus, “…And the Word was divine.” This means that what God was the Word was, “The Word dwelt with God, and what God was, the Word was” (The New English Bible). Would someone please explain how the reading of the word “God” in a qualitative sense disproves Trinitarianism?   thinker

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