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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 28 2010,11:11) Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 28 2010,10:44) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 28 2010,07:40) Thinker……….The greatest gift GOD gave Me is LIFE, and Jesus gave His life for the payment of My sin i have committed in this life. And even that was a gift of GOD. “GOD (THE FATHER) SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT (HE) GOD THE FATHER, GAVE HIS UNIQUELY BEGOTTEN SON” …..> Jesus was God the Fathers gift to us all. Jesus was not Jesus' gift but GOD the FATHERS gift to the whole world. SO CAN'T YOU SEE IT WAS GOD THE FATHERS WORK IN CHRIST THAT SAVED US. PUSHING THE FATHER BEHIND AND JESUS AHEAD OF HIM IS WHAT TRINITARIANS DO , THEIR DOGMAS ARE ALL ABOUT JESUS TO THE EXCLUSION OF THE FATHER . THEY ARE ALL IDOLATERS WHO TRY TO MAKE ANOTHER GOD OF ANY KIND. IMO
So Gene. It comes out now. The Father who you say you glorify is not the greatest gift after all. You say that the greatest gift is life. Uh…did you forget what Jesus said? He said this,“And this is eternal life; that they might know thee the only true God and Jesus Christ whom He has sent.”
You say that the greatest gift is eternal life. Jesus said that eternal life is to know the Father. Therefore, Jesus Christ gives the greatest gift.
27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him Matthew 11:27
TO ALL: There you have it! Not only does Gene give insincere lip service to Christ's Lordship, he gives a “put on” and fake glory to the Father. Having eternal life is more important than knowing the Father to Gene. If he admits that knowing the Father is the greatest gift, then he must give Christ the credit for giving him the greatest gift for it is Christ who reveals the Father..
So Gene's theology is more about taking credit from Christ than about having and glorifying the Father.
thinker
Thinker …..Is that all you can do is spread garbage about what i believe. God Back and reread what you quoted and maybe the light will come on, ” That they might know you, the (ONLY) TRUE GOD, AND JESUS (THE MAN) WHO YOU HAS SENT”, and what is this, it is eternal (LIFE). SO LIFE IS THE GREATEST (GIFT) to US.Thinker you gibberish means nothing , because you have no idea what you are even saying you contradict yourself continually as do all TRINITARIANS that i Know of.
Gene,What you just said is exactly what I said you said. So you go back and re-read it all. To know the Father is EQUAL to having eternal life. So when Christ reveals the Father to someone He gives them the greatest gift because it is knowing the Father is EQUAL to having eternal life.
You're just trying to wiggle out of it. You have been exposed. Your theology is all about putting down Christ and it has nothing whatsoever to do with your supposed devotion to the Father.
You are not here to glorify the Father. You are here to bad mouth Jesus.
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 27 2010,19:00) JustAskin said: Quote You first need to be acknowledging Jesus as the Son of God, not God Himself. It's quite simple: Jesus is the Son of God, the Christ of God.
JA,I have already proven that the names “Son of God” and “God” were EQUAL in Hebrew thought. The apostle John said so:
18 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God
There it is!
JackExactly. The OT Hebrew scriptures and the Jewish history and culture BC does not bear out any man calling YHWH their “Own” personal Father, and in fact it was considered blasphemy for any to claim this because in there minds to say that you were a Son of God was making yourself equal to God.
But we know that that this special revelation was revealed only by the Father through his Holy Spirit.
What was so special about Peters revelation or the Demons crying out “You are the SON of the living God” if Jesus claim made him like any other Jewish man?
And Thomas answered and said unto him, “My Lord and my God“. John 20:28
Thomas also had the same revelation of who Jesus really was!
Little wonder John recorded Thomas calling Jesus his Lord and God without correcting him.
For John in the next three verses says…
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, “because thou hast seen me, (your Lord and God) thou hast believed“: blessed are they that have not seen, (Thinker and WJ) and yet have believed. And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: BUT THESE ARE WRITTEN, that ye might believe “THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD; and that believing ye might have life through his name”
Jesus being the Only (Monogenes) Son of God means he is in everyway God like the Father, just like a man being the Son of his Father is in everyway human!
But they refused to pay attention; stubbornly they turned their backs and stopped up their ears. Zech 7:11
Blessings Keith
Thinker……..God the FATHER is the Source of (ALL) Life that exists, including the Life of Jesus also. Your making the GIVER of LIFE the GIFT HE GIVES. More confused Trinitarians GARBAGE. To (KNOW) GOD is NOT to be GOD. What we (KNOW) is that He is the (Source) of eternal life and the life of all things that exist. It does not say the (GREATEST) gift is to know GOD the FATHER and Jesus Christ , does it YOU have added that to your interpretation, of what it actually say. But then Trinitarians have no problem doing that do they thinker?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 27 2010,20:25) It does not say the (GREATEST) gift is to know GOD the FATHER and Jesus Christ , does it…
Hi GeneActually it does say that Eternal life is to know both the Father and Jesus…
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, “AND Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent“. John 17:3
Did you forget this part…? “AND Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent“
Why do you guys always seek to take away from who Jesus is? Though Jesus puts himself right up there with knowing the “True God”, you guys take no thought in what that means, but only ignore that part of the verse.
Again, to the Jews that would be blasphemy for some mere man to claim that knowing him is a prerequisite to Eternal Life!
There is a serious pattern here for anti-Trinitarians to reduce Jesus to less than the scriptures proclaim him to be!
Johns prologue starts off with this…
“In him was life“; and the life was the light of men“. John 1:4
And through out the Gospel Jesus said many times that if men believed on him that he would give them Eternal life.
John also quotes Jesus as saying that he is the “Resurrection and the life” and that he is the “Way the truth and the life” and no man can come to the Father but by him. John 11:25, John 14:6
John speaks of him as the “Eternal life” that was with the Father…
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and “our hands have handled, of the Word of life“; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, “and shew unto you that **ETERANL LIFE**, which was with the Father“, and was manifested unto us;) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and “truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ“. 1 John 1:1-3
Our fellowship is with the Father and Jesus Gene, how about you?
Now look and see what else John says about the “Eternal life” that was with the Father later on in this Epistle…
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. “This is the true God, and eternal life“. 1 John 5:20
Blessings WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 28 2010,11:31) And Thomas answered and said unto him, “My Lord and my God”. John 20:28
Based on your interpretation of this, hundreds of scriptures need to be thrown away or twisted to comply.A reasonable person would take what the majority say and try and see why a few might appear to contradict the majority. A biased man will take the few if it agrees with his bias, and twist, ignore, or shun the majority of scriptures.
You probably can't see that you do this, but others can see it easily. BTW, this type of behaviour is not wise. It is not the fruit of a reasonable person or a truth seeker, but the fruit of a stubborn person.
Just saying it the way it is WJ. I don't dislike you as a person.
Let's have a pretend conversation, based on Thinker's logic, which he seems to try to incorporate into every thread now. Let's live in his bizarre world for a second.
I ask this because of your name: Thinker, do you think you are wise?
Let's assume he says “yes” or at least, let's assume he believes it.“Thinker is wise”
Rom 16:27: “to God, alone wise” KJ
Does this prove that Thinker is God?
Of course, some Bibles translate it like Kj, but others translate it “only wise God.”
So, let's take the example of Jehovah being holy. The Bible says that only he is holy. Yet, Israel was called holy.
Does this prove anything?Or, was “holy” a relative term?
TT,
This morning the Holy Spirit told me not to contend with you because you are not assailable.Are you happy with that?
TT, you are a God!
Oh, but not 'The God'!
So, I wonder whst the Holy Spirit was really saying about you then?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 28 2010,12:25) Thinker……..God the FATHER is the Source of (ALL) Life that exists, including the Life of Jesus also. Your making the GIVER of LIFE the GIFT HE GIVES. More confused Trinitarians GARBAGE. To (KNOW) GOD is NOT to be GOD. What we (KNOW) is that He is the (Source) of eternal life and the life of all things that exist. It does not say the (GREATEST) gift is to know GOD the FATHER and Jesus Christ , does it YOU have added that to your interpretation, of what it actually say. But then Trinitarians have no problem doing that do they thinker?
Gene,So you don't believe every word of Jesus after all. Jesus said “THIS IS eternal life, that they might KNOW THEE, the only true God and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.”
There it is Gene. Jesus said, “THIS IS eternal life.” It is knowing the Father. But you blatantly contradict Jesus.
The greatest gift is to know the Father and it is Jesus wo gives it to you. Knowing the Father is eternal life and Jesus gives that also:
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. John 10:27-28
and,
All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. Matthew 11:27
Eternal life is to know the Father and Jesus gives both. Therefore, Jesus gives the greatest gifts.
Your hypocrisy has been exposed Gene. You have shown that the Father is not all that important to you after all. It has become quite evident that you are not here to glorify the Father because He doesn't mean everything to you. You are here only to bad mouth Jesus.
You have suffered a major blow and my guess is that you won't be here much longer now. I am going to keep the heat up on you sir.
thinker
Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 28 2010,20:55) TT,
This morning the Holy Spirit told me not to contend with you because you are not assailable.Are you happy with that?
TT, you are a God!
Oh, but not 'The God'!
So, I wonder whst the Holy Spirit was really saying about you then?
JA,
Gene has reduced the Father to second place in importance. Gene said that eternal life is the greatest gift and not the Father. This does not bother you?Jesus said that eternal life is to know the Father (John 17:3). Jesus said also that He reveals the Father to men (Matthew 11:27).
Gene has been here for a long time boasting about glorifying the Father. Now he puts the Father in second place in importance showing his true colors.
When trinitarians exalt Jesus you guys say that we are belittling the Father. But when Gene reduces the Father there is no reply from you guys.
It reminds me of the feminists who get upset when a person who is not in their political party makes a sexist statement. But when a person in the same party makes a sexist statement they are silent.
Your silence exposes the hypocrisy of you all.
thinker
Hi TT,
Petty politics does not hide the elephant in the room.
There is no trinity taught anywhere in scripture.
The Father is the God of the jews and JesusQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 02 2010,08:24) Hi TT,
Petty politics does not hide the elephant in the room.
There is no trinity taught anywhere in scripture.
The Father is the God of the jews and Jesus
The Father is not the God of the Jews. If He was their God then they would not have rejected His Son. And until they accept His Son God does not know them and they have no “God” but what they have created for themselves.I noticed that you do not defend Gene's statement.
thinker
Hi TT,
You should not argue with Jesus as you are nobody of importance.Jn8.54
If Jesus identified his Father as the God of the Jews why do you offer us another??
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 02 2010,08:47) Hi TT,
You should not argue with Jesus as you are nobody of importance.Jn8.54
If Jesus identified his Father as the God of the Jews why do you offer us another??
Nick,Jesus' statement was spoken BEFORE God disowned them for rejecting their Messiah. In the Olivet Discourse Jesus said that their house would be left “desolate.” So they are not a covenant people anymore.
They had their chance to accept their Messiah under the apostles and they rejected Jesus to the end. God is now married to the Church which is made up of all peoples from all races and nations.
God is the God only of believers.
thinker
Hi TT,
God is married to the church?Really?
Jesus is but not his God.
Perhaps you can show it written?Hi TT,
Jesus identified God to the jews and our God does not change.
In Him there is no shadow of turning.
He is our God too.So your trinity god is an illusion and you should discard it .
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 02 2010,09:08) Hi TT,
God is married to the church?Really?
Jesus is but not his God.
Perhaps you can show it written?
The Husband is God Nick. Israel's Husband was God and the Church's Husband is God.thinker
Hi TT,
Yes they turned to idolatry.
The same old thing has happened again would you believe.
The Servant Son comes to draw folks to his God and carnal men turn him into another strange trinity god.Nothing changes.
But neither does God so folks should repent of their folly.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 02 2010,09:11) Hi TT,
Jesus identified God to the jews and our God does not change.
In Him there is no shadow of turning.
He is our God too.So your trinity god is an illusion and you should discard it .
Nick,The Church is Israel now. Take note that in Revelation the Church is called the New Jerusalem the Lamb's wife. The foundations of the city (wife) are the twelve apostles. The walls of the city (wife) are the twelve tribes of Israel.
God does not have two people. He has just one people which is the Church = new Jerusalem = wife = Israel.
God scattered physical Israel and left their house desolate as a judgment for rejecting their Messiah (Mk. 23:38: Lk. 13:35). Only those who believe may come into the Church but not because they are Jews (John 1:12).
God took the kingdom away from physical Israel and gave it to the Church (Matt. 8:12; 21:43).
thinker
Quote (princess of the king @ Feb. 18 2010,14:22) no marty, tt believes that his god came up from where he was, taught about his father's kingdom, then when his god died, went back to his father's kingdom kicked him out, took over everything and left his father out to dry.
does this sound like a good son?
You have no idea how much I laughed at this post you made…
Our Heavenly Father is probably laughing too, or not. He is sad I think that so many of His Children are going in the wrong directions. To believe that all three are equal is not Biblical at all. You cannot prove the trinity. It is a man made doctrine and not of God….
Math. 15:9 “In vain they do worship Me teaching the doctrine the commandment of men.”
I believe when you think on that line, that God will not give that person more of His Holy Spirit,and they can't grasp the truth no more. I know that we were the same way at one time. Coming out of the Catholic Church was not easy for me. I was very involved and was very active there. So we shocked our former friends and they thought we were crazy. Needless to say they are our former friends now.
Irene
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