The Trinity Doctrine

[Ed J]

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Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 18 2010,09:37) Bod, you need to believe the Gospel accounts of what really happened to Jesus, that he was crucified, dead, and risen, you need to stop trying to look for hidden clues which may suggest that it wasnt so. And this Isaiah 53 1Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 2For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 9And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. 10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. This could not be about Jesus because he was “crucified” because of his popularity. When you have 5000 people listening to you, you have not been rejected of men, He was not despised as he drew men and women to him. And of course he opened his mouth enough to say MY God why have thou forsaken me and much more so according to the scriptures this could not be Jesus in Isaiah but what's funny is you tell me not to look for hidden clues and that's exactly what Christians have done with the Old Testament and you accept all those “revelations” although the Jews themselves don't. That scripture according to the Jews is about Israel and not Jesus.

You continually illustrate how little you know about the God(YHVH=63) of “The Bible”=63

Fulfillment of Isaiah 53:7…Matt.26:62
Matt.26:62 And the high priest arose, and said unto him, Answerest thou nothing?…

Do you lack comprehension skills as well?

Isaiah 53:12 Therefore will I ([יהוה] YÄ-hä-vā) divide him ([יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă) a portion with the great,
and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he (Jesus) hath poured out his soul unto death(Crucifixion):
    and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he (Jesus) bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

[Proclaimer]

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 18 2010,02:39)

Mike, Try this on for size: God is the Testator. Christ is the Testator. Ergo…. THE TESTATOR DEFINED: The Testator is the person who makes the covenant. God is the Testator: 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the LORD. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Hebrews 8:7-10 Jesus is the Testator: For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator (Jesus) Hebrews 9:16 Note that Hebrews 8 says that it is God who made the covenant. Therefore, God is the Testator. Note that the Testator must die. So Jesus is the Testator. Major premise: God alone is the Testator Minor premise: Jesus is the Testator Conclusion: Therefore, Jesus is God Thus anti-trinitariansism is put to death! thinker

TT, you only need to read Revelation 1:1 to understand how this works.

Revelation 1
1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

God > Jesus Christ > Angel > John

So if you understand that God wills it and does it through his son, then you will realise that what you are arguing for is nonsense. Did not God create the world through Jesus Christ? Did not God redeem the world through Jesus Christ. Therefore is not God's covenant to man through Jesus Christ?

That is the point you should draw, not that Jesus Christ is God.

If you read about the accounts with Moses on the Mountain of God, you will know that there was a angel/messenger involved. God did not become an angel or a man, rather God sent his messenger and was in him.

Exodus 3:1-14
1 Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian, and he led the flock to the far side of the desert and came to Horeb, the mountain of God.
2 There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up.

Also, look at this account.

Judges 13:20-22
20 As the flame blazed up from the altar toward heaven, the angel of the LORD ascended in the flame. Seeing this, Manoah and his wife fell with their faces to the ground.
21 When the angel of the LORD did not show himself again to Manoah and his wife, Manoah realized that it was the angel of the LORD .
22 “We are doomed to die!” he said to his wife. “We have seen God!”

When we see the angel of the LORD, then we have seen God. Although God is invisible and no one can see him, we can see his glory and expression. Jesus is described as the fullness of God in bodily form, the visible image of the invisible God.

When you can understand that God is invisible and that we see his glory, then it makes sense and there is no contradiction.

God is the Most High. Jesus is the Lord as appointed by God. God is invisible, Jesus is visible. God is Spirit, Jesus has a visible body.

Therefore, Jesus is the son of God and not the God that he is the son of. This is the truth that Jesus built his Church on, and the truth that just about every man-made doctrine tries to deny. In the case of the Trinity Doctrine, it is denied not in word but in deed. They give lip service to him being the son out of necessity, but deny it in the conclusion by saying that he is actually God.

[karmarie]

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Isaiah 53 1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

The arm of the Lord IS Jesus who is on Gods right hand

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2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

We dont know what he looked like- forget the blonde hair phoney pictures you see.

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3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Mark 15
9 But Pilate answered them, saying, Will ye that I release unto you the King of the Jews?
10 For he knew that the chief priests had delivered him for envy.
11 But the chief priests moved the people, that he should rather release Barabbas unto them.
12 And Pilate answered and said again unto them, What will ye then that I shall do unto him whom ye call the King of the Jews?
13 And they cried out again, Crucify him.
14 Then Pilate said unto them, Why, what evil hath he done? And they cried out the more exceedingly, Crucify him.
15 And so Pilate, willing to content the people, released Barabbas unto them, and delivered Jesus, when he had scourged him, to be crucified.
17 And they clothed him with purple, and platted a crown of thorns, and put it about his head,
18 And began to salute him, Hail, King of the Jews!
19 And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing their knees worshipped him.
20 And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple from him, and put his own clothes on him, and led him out to crucify him.
26 And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS.

29 And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days,
30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross.
31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.
32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

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6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

He didnt fight back did he? He was led and he said very little.

Mark 15
3  And the chief priests accused him of many things: but he answered nothing.
4And Pilate asked him again, saying, Answerest thou nothing? behold how many things they witness against thee.
5 But Jesus yet answered nothing; so that Pilate marvelled.

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8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

Matthew 27
50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.
51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split,
52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;
53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
54 So when the centurion and those with him, who were guarding Jesus, saw the earthquake and the things that had happened, they feared greatly, saying, “Truly this was the Son of God!”

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10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

Mark 15
27 And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left.
28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.

 

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according to the scriptures this could not be Jesus in Isaiah but what's funny is you tell me not to look for hidden clues and that's exactly what Christians have done with the Old Testament and you accept all those “revelations” although the Jews themselves don't. That scripture according to the Jews is about Israel and not Jesus.

This has to be about Jesus.  Its about a single individual- who in history would seem to you to fit this picture?

[Ed J]

Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 18 2010,20:44)

Quote Isaiah 53 1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? The arm of the Lord IS Jesus who is on Gods right hand Quote 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. We dont know what he looked like- forget the blonde hair phoney pictures you see. Quote 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. Mark 15 9 But Pilate answered them, saying, Will ye that I release unto you the King of the Jews? 10 For he knew that the chief priests had delivered him for envy. 11 But the chief priests moved the people, that he should rather release Barabbas unto them. 12 And Pilate answered and said again unto them, What will ye then that I shall do unto him whom ye call the King of the Jews? 13 And they cried out again, Crucify him. 14 Then Pilate said unto them, Why, what evil hath he done? And they cried out the more exceedingly, Crucify him. 15 And so Pilate, willing to content the people, released Barabbas unto them, and delivered Jesus, when he had scourged him, to be crucified. 17 And they clothed him with purple, and platted a crown of thorns, and put it about his head, 18 And began to salute him, Hail, King of the Jews! 19 And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing their knees worshipped him. 20 And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple from him, and put his own clothes on him, and led him out to crucify him. 26 And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS. 29 And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, 30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross. 31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save. 32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him. Quote 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. He didnt fight back did he? He was led and he said very little. Mark 15 3  And the chief priests accused him of many things: but he answered nothing. 4And Pilate asked him again, saying, Answerest thou nothing? behold how many things they witness against thee. 5 But Jesus yet answered nothing; so that Pilate marvelled. Quote 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Matthew 27 50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. 51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many. 54 So when the centurion and those with him, who were guarding Jesus, saw the earthquake and the things that had happened, they feared greatly, saying, “Truly this was the Son of God!” Quote 10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. Mark 15 27 And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left. 28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.   Quote according to the scriptures this could not be Jesus in Isaiah but what's funny is you tell me not to look for hidden clues and that's exactly what Christians have done with the Old Testament and you accept all those “revelations” although the Jews themselves don't. That scripture according to the Jews is about Israel and not Jesus. This has to be about Jesus.  Its about a single individual- who in history would seem to you to fit this picture?

Hi Karmarie,

You truly care for our wayward brother BD,
I pray he will listen to the voice of reason!

Matt.18:16 But if he (BD) will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more,
that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

Isaiah 1:17-20 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the
fatherless (Guess who), plead for the widow. Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD:
though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson,
they shall be as wool
. If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: But if ye refuse
and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

[karmarie]

Hi Ed. Quite a good post!

[mikeboll64]

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Judges 13:20-22 20 As the flame blazed up from the altar toward heaven, the angel of the LORD ascended in the flame. Seeing this, Manoah and his wife fell with their faces to the ground. 21 When the angel of the LORD did not show himself again to Manoah and his wife, Manoah realized that it was the angel of the LORD . 22 “We are doomed to die!” he said to his wife. “We have seen God!”

The Contemporary English Version of the Bible says in verse 22, “We have seen an angel” then adds a footnote that says:the Hebrew text has “god”, which was used for God or for other supernatural beings.

Trinitarians seem to accept this in Judges, and when Jacob wrestled with “god” and when Paul calls Satan “the god of this age” and other places in the Bible.

It's only when Jesus is referred to as “god” that they insist it must mean God Almighty.

Peace,

Mike

[bodhitharta]

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B.d. You quotted; No, Christ is a Lord with a Lord, not the Lord God. You cant say that because there is only one Lord(scriptual) and God says He does not share His glory with ANYONE! And I can show you scripts were Jesus is called The Lord God!! no capitals on Lord either! If you cant say Jesus is Lord, and your faith is not in HIm than you cant have the Holy Spirit. Scripture says “You cant say Jesus is Lord without the Holy Spirit! That is how Christ is in you, and thats scriptual too. You can go threw the old and the new and everything said of God in the old is said of Jesus in the new. For example, the old testament tells us God is our Savior, He is the only Savior, the new testament repeats the same of Jesus. Holy Spirit comes from God, (new) Holy Spirit is Christ in you, LORD GOD, old testament, Jesus is Lord(new testament) old.. God created… new.. Jesus created. THEY ARE ONE! SCRIPTURE TELL US THAT. Look what all He done! Who could do that but God! How come when Thomas called HIm ” my Lord and my God” He did not correct him? He told Him He was blessed because He seen and beleived, and blessed are those who have not seen AND STILL BELEIVE!! hE IS NOT A LITERAL SON LIKE YOU SEE HIM TO BE. hE IS THE ALMIGHTY, HE IS EVEN CALLED OUR EVERLASTING FATHER. For example, if you crack an egg, you have a shell, the white and the yoke. but you cant take one away and still have the egg..the three are one . I hope you realize Jesus is Lord!! Thats were your Salvation lies!! everything I told you is scriptual. God Bless You.. katjo

Okay simply tell me who is the God of Jesus?

You said the “Egg is three in one so the Egg would be the one described so if there was a son of an Egg. The Egg would be complete without its son, right?

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 18 2010,12:36) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2010,12:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 18 2010,12:22) Quote (katjo @ Feb. 18 2010,00:56) B.D. better read the new testament and find out what Jesus is truly saying to you!!! You better think about the Holy spirit again because if your faith is not in Christ, than you dont have it!!! HE IS YOUR SAVIOR!! JOHN 10;27 MY SHEEP LISTEN TO MY VOICE; I KNOW THEM AND THEY FOLLOW ME! THERE IS NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN BY WHICH YOU MUST BE SAVED(jESUS) dO YOU NOT KNOW THAT CHRIST IS IN YOU.. UNLESS YOU FAIL THE TEST(SCRIPTUAL).. IS HE YOUR LORD? katjo Names under heaven are not superior to the Name in Heaven which is God Most HIGH, his name is above all including Jesus and it wasn't given to HIM. No, Christ is a lord with a lord and The God of all is the Lord God but you don't understand and therefore do not believe. “God Most HIGH”  …is NOT A NAME! And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. Mark 5:6-8 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. Psalm 83:17-18 Jehovah is The Most High in fact Jehovah is (not) ALLAH, But those of the ignorant know it not allah=66 (in Arabic) is NOT a name EITHER, but merely a 'title'=66! Prob.3:33 The 'curse'=66 of the LORD is in the ('book of fraud'=114) house of the wicked: but he blesseth the habitation of the just. Jer.17:5: Thus saith the LORD(YHVH=63); Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD(The Bible=63).

If Allah = 66 in Arabic why are you comparing to words using an english gemitria method? Why are your methods so manipulative and dishonest.

What is the number of Jesus in Arabic?

The book of fraud is your book “Holycitybiblecode”

Jesus said: “I am the way , The TRUTH and the Life” but you say ED:

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What Does This Book Reveal? Nobody has the entire “Truth”! Not Christianity, Judaism, Islam nor the great minds of science! Because the forces of evil have blinded everyone's eyes until now, even the most learned!

Then you write:

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Can This Be Proven? Contained within the Holy Bible there is indisputable conclusive proof, that a GOD originating outside of time has indeed, revealed to mankind his destiny. But not the way you learned about it in church or in the pages of school text books. Get your copy of the Free e-book today and learn how!

Your book is the book of fraud you speak of.

Fraud Liar=90 ED JAY=90

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 18 2010,12:43) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 18 2010,09:37) Bod, you need to believe the Gospel accounts of what really happened to Jesus, that he was crucified, dead, and risen, you need to stop trying to look for hidden clues which may suggest that it wasnt so. And this Isaiah 53 1Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 2For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 9And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. 10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. This could not be about Jesus because he was “crucified” because of his popularity. When you have 5000 people listening to you, you have not been rejected of men, He was not despised as he drew men and women to him. And of course he opened his mouth enough to say MY God why have thou forsaken me and much more so according to the scriptures this could not be Jesus in Isaiah but what's funny is you tell me not to look for hidden clues and that's exactly what Christians have done with the Old Testament and you accept all those “revelations” although the Jews themselves don't. That scripture according to the Jews is about Israel and not Jesus. You continually illustrate how little you know about the God(YHVH=63) of “The Bible”=63 Fulfillment of Isaiah 53:7…Matt.26:62 Matt.26:62 And the high priest arose, and said unto him, Answerest thou nothing?… Do you lack comprehension skills as well? Isaiah 53:12 Therefore will I ([יהוה] YÄ-hä-vā) divide him ([יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă) a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he (Jesus) hath poured out his soul unto death(Crucifixion):     and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he (Jesus) bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

Matthew 26:62-64 (King James Version)

62And the high priest arose, and said unto him, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee?

63But Jesus held his peace, And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.

64Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Could you please stop manipulating scripture I could easily assign those qualities with John the Baptist.

You must stop using your book of fraud and study the Bible or the Quran. Also you keep saying “The Bible” You should be studying “The HOLY BIBLE”= 123, it's that easy.

[karmarie]

Bod,

I know youve probably heard all this plenty of times before but The way I see it, I was shown Islam for a reason.
I am drawn to Islam and its people for a reason.
I always say every day, Gods will not my own, I allow God to use me however he wants to. If he wants to.
Your the first Muslim I have ever worked with
Where am I going wrong? Can you please show me.
Why are you getting so angry?
Or is it that maybe you also were shown Islam for a reason too, but are having trouble returning to what you did know?
I feel God has a reason for all of this somehow.
What- I dont know?
But maybe I need you to help me.

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 19 2010,08:58)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2010,17:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 18 2010,12:36) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2010,12:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 18 2010,12:22) Quote (katjo @ Feb. 18 2010,00:56) B.D. better read the new testament and find out what Jesus is truly saying to you!!! You better think about the Holy spirit again because if your faith is not in Christ, than you dont have it!!! HE IS YOUR SAVIOR!! JOHN 10;27 MY SHEEP LISTEN TO MY VOICE; I KNOW THEM AND THEY FOLLOW ME! THERE IS NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN BY WHICH YOU MUST BE SAVED(jESUS) dO YOU NOT KNOW THAT CHRIST IS IN YOU.. UNLESS YOU FAIL THE TEST(SCRIPTUAL).. IS HE YOUR LORD? katjo Names under heaven are not superior to the Name in Heaven which is God Most HIGH, his name is above all including Jesus and it wasn't given to HIM. No, Christ is a lord with a lord and The God of all is the Lord God but you don't understand and therefore do not believe. “God Most HIGH”  …is NOT A NAME! And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. Mark 5:6-8 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. Psalm 83:17-18 Jehovah is The Most High in fact Jehovah is (not) ALLAH, But those of the ignorant know it not allah=66 (in Arabic) is NOT a name EITHER, but merely a 'title'=66! Prob.3:33 The 'curse'=66 of the LORD is in the ('book of fraud'=114) house of the wicked: but he blesseth the habitation of the just. Jer.17:5: Thus saith the LORD(YHVH=63); Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD(The Bible=63). If Allah = 66 in Arabic why are you comparing to words using an english gemitria method? Why are your methods so manipulative and dishonest. What is the number of Jesus in Arabic? The book of fraud is your book “Holycitybiblecode” Jesus said: “I am the way , The TRUTH and the Life” but you say ED: Quote What Does This Book Reveal? Nobody has the entire “Truth”! Not Christianity, Judaism, Islam nor the great minds of science! Because the forces of evil have blinded everyone's eyes until now, even the most learned! Then you write: Quote Can This Be Proven? Contained within the Holy Bible there is indisputable conclusive proof, that a GOD originating outside of time has indeed, revealed to mankind his destiny. But not the way you learned about it in church or in the pages of school text books. Get your copy of the Free e-book today and learn how! Your book is the book of fraud you speak of. Fraud Liar=90  ED JAY=90

Do you know how many times in the New “Testament” the name satan appears?
Yep; that's right 34, he's your god ain't he?
GOD The Father = HolySpirit – (Guess who's god?)

STOP worshiping satan BD, it's time for you to come home.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 19 2010,10:26)

Bod, I know youve probably heard all this plenty of times before but The way I see it, I was shown Islam for a reason. I am drawn to Islam and its people for a reason. I always say every day, Gods will not my own, I allow God to use me however he wants to. If he wants to. Your the first Muslim I have ever worked with Where am I going wrong? Can you please show me. Why are you getting so angry? Or is it that maybe you also were shown Islam for a reason too, but are having trouble returning to what you did know? I feel God has a reason for all of this somehow. What- I dont know? But maybe I need you to help me.

I'm not getting angry at all. I take God very seriously so with me there is no going back and forth. God showed me Islam and it is The Truth. I was not dissatisfied with Christianity at all and I never really believed that it would be necessary for Jesus to be crucified for anyone to be forgiven.

I always have believed that God ALMIGHTY is just that “ALMIGHTY” He has the Power to forgive whomever He pleases and the scriptures prove me right:

And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
Exodus 33:18-20

While the study of Jesus is beautiful and fascinating, there should never be a point where we are considering Jesus as equal or greater than his GOD which is our God. But 98% of the arguments on this board is about Jesus and most seem to neglect the Glory of God, I shall not follow in that neglect.

So what you may see as anger is really frustration with those who pass over the GLORY of GOD to glorify what he created.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 19 2010,10:28)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 19 2010,08:58) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2010,17:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 18 2010,12:36) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2010,12:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 18 2010,12:22) Quote (katjo @ Feb. 18 2010,00:56) B.D. better read the new testament and find out what Jesus is truly saying to you!!! You better think about the Holy spirit again because if your faith is not in Christ, than you dont have it!!! HE IS YOUR SAVIOR!! JOHN 10;27 MY SHEEP LISTEN TO MY VOICE; I KNOW THEM AND THEY FOLLOW ME! THERE IS NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN BY WHICH YOU MUST BE SAVED(jESUS) dO YOU NOT KNOW THAT CHRIST IS IN YOU.. UNLESS YOU FAIL THE TEST(SCRIPTUAL).. IS HE YOUR LORD? katjo Names under heaven are not superior to the Name in Heaven which is God Most HIGH, his name is above all including Jesus and it wasn't given to HIM. No, Christ is a lord with a lord and The God of all is the Lord God but you don't understand and therefore do not believe. “God Most HIGH”  …is NOT A NAME! And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. Mark 5:6-8 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. Psalm 83:17-18 Jehovah is The Most High in fact Jehovah is (not) ALLAH, But those of the ignorant know it not allah=66 (in Arabic) is NOT a name EITHER, but merely a 'title'=66! Prob.3:33 The 'curse'=66 of the LORD is in the ('book of fraud'=114) house of the wicked: but he blesseth the habitation of the just. Jer.17:5: Thus saith the LORD(YHVH=63); Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD(The Bible=63). If Allah = 66 in Arabic why are you comparing to words using an english gemitria method? Why are your methods so manipulative and dishonest. What is the number of Jesus in Arabic? The book of fraud is your book “Holycitybiblecode” Jesus said: “I am the way , The TRUTH and the Life” but you say ED: Quote What Does This Book Reveal? Nobody has the entire “Truth”! Not Christianity, Judaism, Islam nor the great minds of science! Because the forces of evil have blinded everyone's eyes until now, even the most learned! Then you write: Quote Can This Be Proven? Contained within the Holy Bible there is indisputable conclusive proof, that a GOD originating outside of time has indeed, revealed to mankind his destiny. But not the way you learned about it in church or in the pages of school text books. Get your copy of the Free e-book today and learn how! Your book is the book of fraud you speak of. Fraud Liar=90  ED JAY=90 Do you know how many times in the New “Testament” the name satan appears? Yep; that's right 34, he's your god ain't he? GOD The Father = HolySpirit – (Guess who's god?) STOP worshiping satan BD, it's time for you to come home.

Another lie, according to the Authorized King James Version the one you say proves everything has Satan listed 36 times

Did you forget in your desperate search to not count the verses when Satan is mentioned twice? It's because you seek to steal and destroy with you methods of fraud and deceit.

[Anonymous]

B.D. I HOPE YOU WILL TAKE THE TIME TO READ THIS, IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO LOOK THEM UP! If you would just stop and realize Jesus is your Savior, He is your Lord God. I beleive thats why you are not understanding, and wont without your faith being in Him. I PROMISE you if you would just beleive and ask Him into your heart, and to for-give you of your sins, and ask Him to show you the truth.. you are going to see scripture so much different.! Havent you read the scripture.. do you not know that Christ is in you, unless you fail the test? How can He be in you if your not beleiving and having faith in Him? Matthew 1;21; tells us that Mary will give her Son the name Jesus because He will save people from their sins! and down on 22; He will also be called Emmanuel..GOD WITH US!! Matthew 8;17 He(Jesus)took up our infirmities and carried our disease. Matthew 10;33 Jesus says who ever dis-owns me I will dis-own before the Father..12;30 He who is not with me is against me.. 16;24 Jesus says if anyone would come after me, He must deny Himself and take up His cross and follow me(25) for who so ever wants to save his like will lose it(that means without Him) BUT WHO SO EVER WILL LOSE HIS LIFE FOR ME WILL FIND IT..23;10 tells us WE HAVE ONE TEACHER.. THE CHRIST!! Luke 19;38 says Blessed is the king who comes in the name of the Lord(He is the King, He is who's coming) IN JOHN, THE WORD WAS WITH GOD AND WAS GOD(THE WORD IS jESUS) DOWN TO 11, HE CAME UNTO HIS OWN, BUT HIS OWN DID NOT RECEIVE HIM. NOW 18 CALLS HIM GOD..NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN GOD “BUT GOD THE ONE AND ONLY,WHO IS AT THE FATHERS SIDE”,HAS MADE HIM KNOWN.

JOHN 5;39 You diligently study the scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life THESE ARE THE SCRIPTURES THAT TESTIFY ABOUT ME,YET YOU REFUSE TO COME TO ME TO HAVE LIFE! JOHN 6;53( THIS IS ANOTHER REASON WHY i THINK EVERYONE NEEDS TO GO TO A GOOD BIBLE BASED CHURCH, COMMUNION!).. Jesus says..I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, UNLESS YOU EAT THE FLESH OF THE SON OF MAN AND DRINK HIS BLOOD, YOU HAVE NO LIFE IN YOU WHOEVER EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD HAS ETERNAL LIFE, AND I WILL RAISE HIM UP ON THE LAST DAY 56,WHOEVER EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD REMAINS IN ME, AND I IN HIM. I could just go on and on, you are so missing out without him in your life, thats how you gain the Holy spirit. SCRIPTURE SAYS.. YOU CANT SAY JESUS IS LORD WITHOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT. i hope you will really think about these scriptures. the new testament is all about jesus!

GOD BLESS YOU..
katjo

[bodhitharta]

Quote (katjo @ Feb. 19 2010,14:47)

B.D. I HOPE YOU WILL TAKE THE TIME TO READ THIS, IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO LOOK THEM UP!  If you would just stop and realize Jesus is your Savior, He is your Lord God. I beleive thats why you are not understanding, and wont without your faith being in Him. I PROMISE you if you would just beleive and ask Him into your heart, and to for-give you of your sins, and ask Him to show you the truth.. you are going to see scripture so much different.! Havent you read the scripture.. do you not know that Christ is in you, unless you fail the test? How can He be in you if your not beleiving and having faith in Him? Matthew 1;21; tells us that Mary will give her Son the name Jesus because He will save people from their sins! and down on 22; He will also be called Emmanuel..GOD WITH US!! Matthew 8;17 He(Jesus)took up our infirmities and carried our disease. Matthew 10;33 Jesus says who ever dis-owns me I will dis-own before the Father..12;30 He who is not with me is against me..  16;24 Jesus says if anyone would come after me, He must deny Himself and take up His cross and follow  me(25) for who so ever wants to save his like will lose it(that means without Him) BUT WHO SO EVER WILL LOSE HIS LIFE FOR ME WILL FIND IT..23;10 tells us WE HAVE ONE TEACHER.. THE CHRIST!! Luke 19;38 says Blessed is the king who comes in the name of the Lord(He is the King, He is who's coming)  IN JOHN, THE WORD WAS WITH GOD AND WAS GOD(THE WORD IS jESUS) DOWN TO 11, HE CAME UNTO HIS OWN, BUT HIS OWN DID NOT RECEIVE HIM. NOW 18 CALLS HIM GOD..NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN GOD “BUT GOD THE ONE AND ONLY,WHO IS AT THE FATHERS SIDE”,HAS MADE HIM KNOWN. JOHN 5;39 You diligently study the scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life THESE ARE THE SCRIPTURES THAT TESTIFY ABOUT ME,YET YOU REFUSE TO COME TO ME TO HAVE LIFE! JOHN 6;53( THIS IS ANOTHER REASON WHY i THINK EVERYONE NEEDS TO GO TO A GOOD BIBLE BASED CHURCH, COMMUNION!).. Jesus says..I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, UNLESS YOU EAT THE FLESH OF THE SON OF MAN AND DRINK HIS BLOOD, YOU HAVE NO LIFE IN YOU WHOEVER EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD HAS ETERNAL LIFE, AND I WILL RAISE HIM UP ON THE LAST DAY 56,WHOEVER EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD REMAINS IN ME, AND I IN HIM. I could just go on and on, you are so missing out without him in your life, thats how you gain the Holy spirit. SCRIPTURE SAYS.. YOU CANT SAY JESUS IS LORD WITHOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT. i hope you will really think about these scriptures. the new testament is all about jesus! GOD BLESS YOU.. katjo

I think the problem is you do not understand that I have been Christian most of my life and being dedicated to God, God showed me by The Holy Spirit to study Islam and I did and it's The Truth. You still did not tell me who is the God of Jesus.

I worship THE GOD of JESUS, the same God that Jesus worships, is that wrong?

[karmarie]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 19 2010,14:23)

Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 19 2010,10:26) Bod, I know youve probably heard all this plenty of times before but The way I see it, I was shown Islam for a reason. I am drawn to Islam and its people for a reason. I always say every day, Gods will not my own, I allow God to use me however he wants to. If he wants to. Your the first Muslim I have ever worked with Where am I going wrong? Can you please show me. Why are you getting so angry? Or is it that maybe you also were shown Islam for a reason too, but are having trouble returning to what you did know? I feel God has a reason for all of this somehow. What- I dont know? But maybe I need you to help me. I'm not getting angry at all. I take God very seriously so with me there is no going back and forth. God showed me Islam and it is The Truth. I was not dissatisfied with Christianity at all and I never really believed that it would be necessary for Jesus to be crucified for anyone to be forgiven. I always have believed that God ALMIGHTY is just that “ALMIGHTY” He has the Power to forgive whomever He pleases and the scriptures prove me right: And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. Exodus 33:18-20 While the study of Jesus is beautiful and fascinating, there should never be a point where we are considering Jesus as equal or greater than his GOD which is our God. But 98% of the arguments on this board is about Jesus and most seem to neglect the Glory of God, I shall not follow in that neglect. So what you may see as anger is really frustration with those who pass over the GLORY of GOD to glorify what he created.

My Apologees, im rambling again lol.

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 19 2010,14:29)

the Authorized King James Version the one you say proves everything has Satan listed 36 times

Hi BD,

36 is the correct total, Sor I stand corrected.

Ed J

[karmarie]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 19 2010,14:23)

I'm not getting angry at all. I take God very seriously so with me there is no going back and forth. God showed me Islam and it is The Truth. I was not dissatisfied with Christianity at all and I never really believed that it would be necessary for Jesus to be crucified for anyone to be forgiven. I always have believed that God ALMIGHTY is just that “ALMIGHTY” He has the Power to forgive whomever He pleases and the scriptures prove me right: And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. Exodus 33:18-20 While the study of Jesus is beautiful and fascinating, there should never be a point where we are considering Jesus as equal or greater than his GOD which is our God. But 98% of the arguments on this board is about Jesus and most seem to neglect the Glory of God, I shall not follow in that neglect. So what you may see as anger is really frustration with those who pass over the GLORY of GOD to glorify what he created.

I know what you believe, and I know you do good, and teach well, we are all just learning. Thats all. Some of us like to think we know more than you, but really- who truely knows? I appretiate what you say, it is true- people do tend to argue over Jesus so much,  All Jesus, no Father. It is quite sad. Not that Jesus isnt good, but then again, even Jesus said- Why do you call me good? Theres none good but God.

I know when im going wrong. What iv been trying to do definatly isnt what im supposed to be doing.

[Anonymous]

Karmarie and B.d. You are still not getting it, we absolutely do not leave God out. He is spirit who came in the flesh. You were once just a spirit too. Your spirit lives in a body, but your still the same person. And B.d. Jesus was not created, He was the first of all creation, does not mean He was created, He was first before all. That is all scriptual. And was also the creator! COL.1;16 TELLS US ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH. BY HIM AND FOR HIM.HE IS BEFORE ALL THINGS AND BY HIM ALL THINGS ARE HELD TOGETHER.(2;6)so than just as you receive JESUS CHRIST AS LORD, CONTINUE TO LIVE IN HIM. 1;27 SAYS; to them God has chosen to make known among the gentiles the glorious riches of the MYSTERY, WHICH IS CHRIST IN YOU, THE HOPE OF GLORY! There is only one Lord God, and if you cant beleive Jesus is Lord than you cant have the Holy Spirit. im sorry but thats Bible truth! 1CORITH.12;3 NO ONE CAN SAY, JESUS IS LORD, EXCEPT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. He came unto His own to take on the sin of the world, to be your Savior. Look how many miracles he done, how He suffered for our sin. There's one scripture that says when He casted out demons out of some men He wouldnt let the demons speak because they knew who He was. when Jesus was in the boat with the disciples and He calmed the sea, they said; who is this man that even the winds obey Him? He became man just like us, but was more than just a ordinary man. and when He accomplished what He came to do, He ascended back to the glory He had BEFORE THE WORLD WAS! than when He returns in Rev. hE IS THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. The old testament tells us our King will come riding on a donkey,(which Jesus did) but when He comes in Rev. He is riding on a white Stallion. He came to take away our sins but also to teach us about the Father(his role as Father) He partially left that authority when He came to earth, and is telling you the FAther is greater, but there still wasnt nothing He couldnt do if He wanted to. I Gave you scripture that tells us HE IS LORD, and That were He is called God. Even in Acts It tells us God shed His blood! How do you deny them scriptures? Why is so hard to beleive that God(spirit) came in the flesh to take on the sins of His people ( lowered His self) and returned to heaven to be all in all. Its not impossible, HE IS GOD! It makes me think, wow! what a awesome God. We do not take nothing away from God! There is only one Lord God. So how do you deny scripts that say He is Lord( all over the New Testament) and is even called God, and still deny it? I feel like there is so much frustration here from people trying to pick and wonder about scripts, when I dont see it that way at all! I just read and enjoy Gods word, when I read the Father(role) is greater I know its because He humbled Himself to become man but returns to being all in all. The word is Jesus, He is who our faith is to be in, He is our Savior, our redeemer, our Everlasting Father, who we are waiting on, and will spend eternity with. I could not feel like He was going to save my soul If my faith was not in Him! He is going to save your soul from going to hell, and you dont show Him any glory? He is the only door to heaven, its all over scripture..I just cant understand, how you deny so many scriptures..and the detail about the egg, it would not be a whole egg without one of its parts. they are three, yet one! LET THE WORD OF CHRIST DWELL IN YOU RICHLY!(COL.3;16

1 Corinth.11;26 As often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes.

GOD BLESS YOU BOTH…
katjo

[bodhitharta]

Quote (katjo @ Feb. 20 2010,02:54)

Karmarie and B.d. You are still not getting it, we absolutely do not leave God out. He is spirit who came in the flesh. You were once just a spirit too. Your spirit lives in a body, but your still the same person. And B.d. Jesus was not created, He was the first of all creation, does not mean He was created, He was first before all. That is all scriptual. And was also the creator! COL.1;16 TELLS US ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH. BY HIM AND FOR HIM.HE IS BEFORE ALL THINGS AND BY HIM ALL THINGS ARE HELD TOGETHER.(2;6)so than just as you receive JESUS CHRIST AS LORD, CONTINUE TO LIVE IN HIM. 1;27 SAYS; to them God has chosen to make known among the gentiles the glorious riches of the MYSTERY, WHICH IS CHRIST IN YOU, THE HOPE OF GLORY! There is only one Lord God, and if you cant beleive Jesus is Lord than you cant have the Holy Spirit. im sorry but thats Bible truth! 1CORITH.12;3 NO ONE CAN SAY, JESUS IS LORD, EXCEPT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. He came unto His own to take on the sin of the world, to be your Savior. Look how many miracles he done, how He suffered for our sin. There's one scripture that says when He casted out demons out of some men He wouldnt let the demons speak because they knew who He was. when Jesus was in the boat with the disciples and He calmed the sea, they said; who is this man that even the winds obey Him? He became man just like us, but was more than just a ordinary man. and when He accomplished what He came to do, He ascended back to the glory He had BEFORE THE WORLD WAS! than when He returns in Rev. hE IS THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. The old testament tells us our King will come riding on a donkey,(which Jesus did) but when He comes in Rev. He is riding on a white Stallion. He came to take away our sins but also to teach us about the Father(his role as Father) He partially left that authority when He came to earth, and is telling you the FAther is greater, but there still wasnt nothing He couldnt do if He wanted to. I Gave you scripture that tells us HE IS LORD, and That were He is called God. Even in Acts It tells us God shed His blood! How do you deny them scriptures? Why is so hard to beleive that God(spirit) came in the flesh to take on the sins of His people ( lowered His self) and returned to heaven to be all in all. Its not impossible, HE IS GOD! It makes me think, wow! what a awesome God. We do not take nothing away from God! There is only one Lord God. So how do you deny scripts that say He is Lord( all over the New Testament) and is even called God, and still deny it? I feel like there is so much frustration here from people trying to pick and wonder about scripts, when I dont see it that way at all! I just read and enjoy Gods word, when I read the Father(role) is greater I know its because He humbled Himself to become man but returns to being all in all. The word is Jesus, He is who our faith is to be in, He is our Savior, our redeemer, our Everlasting Father, who we are waiting on, and will spend eternity with. I could not feel like He was going to save my soul If my faith was not in Him! He is going to save your soul from going to hell, and you dont show Him any glory?  He is the only door to heaven, its all over scripture..I just cant understand, how you deny so many scriptures..and the detail about the egg, it would not be a whole egg without one of its parts. they are three, yet one! LET THE WORD OF CHRIST DWELL IN YOU RICHLY!(COL.3;16 1 Corinth.11;26 As often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes. GOD BLESS YOU BOTH… katjo

Who do you say is the God of Jesus?

I worship THE GOD of JESUS, the same God that Jesus worships, is that wrong?

Why won't you answer this post?

It will help us communicate much better if you could answer this.

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