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Quote (katjo @ Feb. 11 2010,14:05) b.d. JESUS IS YOUR SAVIOR! OUR FAITH IS SUPPOSE TO BE IN HIM. He was crucified for you and me. He is who we will spend eternity with. Dont you read about HIm? Those other men wasnt born of the Holy Spirit! katjo
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Did Jesus pay the price for you? Is he going to hell for eternity so that you could go to heaven?YES he paid the price for me! why would that mean He would go to hell for eternity? Its all about Jesus, and you cant have the Holy Spirit without Him.
katjo
Quote (katjo @ Feb. 11 2010,14:48) YES he paid the price for me! why would that mean He would go to hell for eternity? Its all about Jesus, and you cant have the Holy Spirit without Him. katjo
What was the price paid? death? You are still going to die, so in what way is he taking your place or paying for your sins?gene
all are influence of there own thoughts always a choice ,Isaiah 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts:
and let him return unto the LORDQuote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 11 2010,15:16) Quote (katjo @ Feb. 11 2010,14:48) YES he paid the price for me! why would that mean He would go to hell for eternity? Its all about Jesus, and you cant have the Holy Spirit without Him. katjo
What was the price paid? death? You are still going to die, so in what way is he taking your place or paying for your sins?Jesus went down into hades after death rescued all the souls held there through man's original sin;
and then, because Hades could not restrain him rose from the dead,
thus saving all mankind.Through these events, he released mankind from the bonds of Hades and then came back to the living as man and God.
That each individual human may partake of this immortality, which would have been impossible without the Resurrection, is the main promise held out by God in his New Covenant with mankind,
according to Orthodox Christian tradition.Quote (katjo @ Feb. 11 2010,11:00) KArmarie, So why dont you beleive in the trinity? katjo
Hi Katjo,I cant understand the trinity. If anyone tries to explain its too complicated and confusing. My Mum tries but I just dont get it.
Karmarie, how old are you?
I can explain it. It all began in ancient Babylon where they worshiped triads of gods…..
(Babylon was a center of false worship. Babylon the Great therefore fittingly represents false religion. Jesus foretold of false teachers who would come. Those false teachers wanted to be popular and convert lots of people and make themselves powerful and rich, and so they adopted a bazillion false teachings that were popular attached them to “christianity.”) Eazy Peazy.
Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 11 2010,18:01) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 11 2010,15:16) Quote (katjo @ Feb. 11 2010,14:48) YES he paid the price for me! why would that mean He would go to hell for eternity? Its all about Jesus, and you cant have the Holy Spirit without Him. katjo
What was the price paid? death? You are still going to die, so in what way is he taking your place or paying for your sins?Jesus went down into hades after death rescued all the souls held there through man's original sin;
and then, because Hades could not restrain him rose from the dead,
thus saving all mankind.Through these events, he released mankind from the bonds of Hades and then came back to the living as man and God.
That each individual human may partake of this immortality, which would have been impossible without the Resurrection, is the main promise held out by God in his New Covenant with mankind,
according to Orthodox Christian tradition.
Sorry, I forgot the linkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_Christian_theology
Quote (david @ Feb. 11 2010,18:25) Karmarie, how old are you? I can explain it. It all began in ancient Babylon where they worshiped triads of gods…..
(Babylon was a center of false worship. Babylon the Great therefore fittingly represents false religion. Jesus foretold of false teachers who would come. Those false teachers wanted to be popular and convert lots of people and make themselves powerful and rich, and so they adopted a bazillion false teachings that were popular attached them to “christianity.”) Eazy Peazy.
That is an easy way to explain it David.Karmarie, so how does that prove the trinity is false, and not what your beleiving? I dont listen to any man who does not show me bible truth. ANd it is very clear in the word, that the FAther and Son are one. Jesus is called the Almighty, He is called the Lord God,even our everlasting Father when God doesnt share His glory with anyone!! Even when Thomas called Him My Lord and My God, He blessed him and said blessed are those WHO DONT SEE AND STILL BELEIVE. everything The old testament says of God is repeated of Jesus in the new, So do you beleive one and not the other?
katjo
Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 11 2010,18:01) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 11 2010,15:16) Quote (katjo @ Feb. 11 2010,14:48) YES he paid the price for me! why would that mean He would go to hell for eternity? Its all about Jesus, and you cant have the Holy Spirit without Him. katjo
What was the price paid? death? You are still going to die, so in what way is he taking your place or paying for your sins?Jesus went down into hades after death rescued all the souls held there through man's original sin;
and then, because Hades could not restrain him rose from the dead,
thus saving all mankind.Through these events, he released mankind from the bonds of Hades and then came back to the living as man and God.
That each individual human may partake of this immortality, which would have been impossible without the Resurrection, is the main promise held out by God in his New Covenant with mankind,
according to Orthodox Christian tradition.
How did he pay the price if price is not a visit to hell but punishment in hell?Quote (katjo @ Feb. 12 2010,01:23) Karmarie, so how does that prove the trinity is false, and not what your beleiving? I dont listen to any man who does not show me bible truth. ANd it is very clear in the word, that the FAther and Son are one. Jesus is called the Almighty, He is called the Lord God,even our everlasting Father when God doesnt share His glory with anyone!! Even when Thomas called Him My Lord and My God, He blessed him and said blessed are those WHO DONT SEE AND STILL BELEIVE. everything The old testament says of God is repeated of Jesus in the new, So do you beleive one and not the other? katjo
You still will not tell me who the God of Jesus is.I worship the God of Jesus, why don't you?
Quote (katjo @ Feb. 12 2010,01:23) Karmarie, so how does that prove the trinity is false, and not what your beleiving? I dont listen to any man who does not show me bible truth. ANd it is very clear in the word, that the FAther and Son are one. Jesus is called the Almighty, He is called the Lord God,even our everlasting Father when God doesnt share His glory with anyone!! Even when Thomas called Him My Lord and My God, He blessed him and said blessed are those WHO DONT SEE AND STILL BELEIVE. everything The old testament says of God is repeated of Jesus in the new, So do you beleive one and not the other? katjo
Hi Katjo,I think everyone in Christianity has a different perspective of how they see God – Jesus – Holy Spirit. Most people who have truely searched for truth have probably been down many paths and ideas of trinity verses non trinity. I wouldnt say the Trinity is true nor false, Because I dont really know. But going by the scriptures the Non Trinity view fits in better for me. Jesus prayed to God the Father, Jesus taught us how to pray just as he did. He wasnt praying to himself, he said His Father is higher than him. He said only God is good and said – why do you call me good? nobody is good but One that is God (matthew 10;18)
When it says the Father and Son are one- when you have seen me you have seen the Father- I see that as we would in human terms of understanding. One in agreement, one in love, as Jesus was doing the will of the Father, when Jesus cared, healed, taught, saved the sinners and turned them back on the right path, that was coming from what God willed and wanted.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 12 2010,03:53) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 11 2010,18:01) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 11 2010,15:16) Quote (katjo @ Feb. 11 2010,14:48) YES he paid the price for me! why would that mean He would go to hell for eternity? Its all about Jesus, and you cant have the Holy Spirit without Him. katjo
What was the price paid? death? You are still going to die, so in what way is he taking your place or paying for your sins?Jesus went down into hades after death rescued all the souls held there through man's original sin;
and then, because Hades could not restrain him rose from the dead,
thus saving all mankind.Through these events, he released mankind from the bonds of Hades and then came back to the living as man and God.
That each individual human may partake of this immortality, which would have been impossible without the Resurrection, is the main promise held out by God in his New Covenant with mankind,
according to Orthodox Christian tradition.
How did he pay the price if price is not a visit to hell but punishment in hell?
If I understand your question right;It would depend on what your belief is of hell. If you see hell as a burning place where people are tormented you would see that (Eastern) Orthodox belief as hard to understand. If you saw like they do that it mean nearness or distance from God it would make more sense.
Eastern Orthodox although they ended up with Trinity, icons and errors over time, their concept of 'hell' and salvation is as ancient as their church is. They believ our main purpose is Theosis, Union with God
Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 12 2010,07:19) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 12 2010,03:53) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 11 2010,18:01) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 11 2010,15:16) Quote (katjo @ Feb. 11 2010,14:48) YES he paid the price for me! why would that mean He would go to hell for eternity? Its all about Jesus, and you cant have the Holy Spirit without Him. katjo
What was the price paid? death? You are still going to die, so in what way is he taking your place or paying for your sins?Jesus went down into hades after death rescued all the souls held there through man's original sin;
and then, because Hades could not restrain him rose from the dead,
thus saving all mankind.Through these events, he released mankind from the bonds of Hades and then came back to the living as man and God.
That each individual human may partake of this immortality, which would have been impossible without the Resurrection, is the main promise held out by God in his New Covenant with mankind,
according to Orthodox Christian tradition.
How did he pay the price if price is not a visit to hell but punishment in hell?
If I understand your question right;It would depend on what your belief is of hell. If you see hell as a burning place where people are tormented you would see that (Eastern) Orthodox belief as hard to understand. If you saw like they do that it mean nearness or distance from God it would make more sense.
Eastern Orthodox although they ended up with Trinity, icons and errors over time, their concept of 'hell' and salvation is as ancient as their church is. They believ our main purpose is Theosis, Union with God
That's not a problem, so if Jesus paid the price then how is it he is at the right hand of God.Sinners will still go to hell in whatever form it is in and before Jesus came sinners would be going to hell in whatever form it is in.
The righteous will still go to heaven and before Jesus came the righteous would be going to heaven even Jesus said he didn't come for the righteous but the lost.
The fact is God does not change and has always been full of Compassion and Mercy and yet HIS wrath for the evil still exists.
Jesus fulfilled his mission of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God and he submitted to God.
Crucifixion would not add to or take away the Grace and Mercy of God and it didn't happen as Jesus name proves “Jehovah Saves”
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 12 2010,08:44) That's not a problem, so if Jesus paid the price then how is it he is at the right hand of God. Sinners will still go to hell in whatever form it is in and before Jesus came sinners would be going to hell in whatever form it is in.
The righteous will still go to heaven and before Jesus came the righteous would be going to heaven even Jesus said he didn't come for the righteous but the lost.
The fact is God does not change and has always been full of Compassion and Mercy and yet HIS wrath for the evil still exists.
Jesus fulfilled his mission of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God and he submitted to God.
Crucifixion would not add to or take away the Grace and Mercy of God and it didn't happen as Jesus name proves “Jehovah Saves”
According to your twisted logic: Jesus' crucifixion was (Falsely) totally unnecessary; according to your FAULTY reasoning?
Jesus mission here on Earth was to remove your god from the “Godhead”; THE REALITY you don't want to accept!GOD The Father=HolySpirit-(guess who); Theomatics CLEARLY shows this “Bible Truth”=117!
117=151-34
Now Jesus sits at God's right hand (Geometry and Gematria CLEARLY ILLUSTRATE)! Something else you are unwilling to accept!
“The Large Box”=117 represents “GOD The Father”=117, “The Box”=74 inside represents “Jesus”=74: NOW at “GOD The Father's right hand”!
B.D. Yes your body dies, we all have to die once, BUT its your soul that is saved. We are a spirit that has a soul that lives in a body! punishment in hell is if your not a folower of Christ. Yes Jesus did come for the lost(souls) Do you read the new testament?
katjo
Jesus spoke in parrables to teach us about the Father!! Remember the word became flesh? so he humbled Himself to become man. To go threw life like us, to be our redemmer so at that time the Father (role) was greater.(He partially left that authority) But scripture also tell us He returned to the glory He had before the world began. How could anyone do what He did but God? And yet God shares His glory with no one.Also when He talked about Himself He never said “I will have to do.”.. or “I will be”… He always said the “Son of Man” would be, He is the Almighty in Rev. coming. You cant have the Holy Spirit and understand Scripture, if your faith is not in Jesus. That is very clear in the word.I dont know of a religion(desides j.w.) that follows the true word that doesnt preach Jesus!
katjo
HE IS THE AUTHOR OF LIFE!
Hi WJ & thethinker:
What about this, you go out and preach the gospel which states, “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned…”,
And then after they are saved by confessing Jesus as their Lord, then you bring them to your church and tell them that unless they believe in the doctrine of “trinity” they can't be a member of “your church”?
Rather foolish don't you think? They already a member of God's church if they confessed Jesus as their Lord.
Love in Christ,
Marty
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