The Trinity Doctrine

[SEEKING]

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 25 2009,16:08)

Nick is a stubborn a_s, uh, I mean to say, he is a stubborn Equus asinus. He doesn't care about the facts. If he did he would shut up when proven wrong rather than make an asinus of himself. thinker

Yes, agreed. I do not want to be an asinus and address his enane questions any further. I couldn't believe this one he presented –

“Hi TT,
So birds and fish must not be mated?

Looking forward to hearing from you on “what God can't do”
I pasted my post there as you asked.

Blessings bro,

Seeking

[david]

Nick, you should attempt to answer questions as much as you ask them.
Stay on topic.
have conversations, real ones.

[david]

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You need more scriptures to back up your point than Mark 16:12 as it was not transcribed on all early manuscripts and may have been added later or may have been dropped either accidentally or on purpose.

—-kerwin

What do you think of this scripture, kerwin?

JOHN 21:4-7,12
“However, just as it was getting to be morning, Jesus stood on the beach, but the disciples did not, of course, discern that it was Jesus. Then Jesus said to them: “Young children, YOU do not have anything to eat, do YOU?” They answered “No!” to him. He said to them: “Cast the net on the right side of the boat and YOU will find [some].” Then they cast it, but they were no longer able to draw it in because of the multitude of the fishes. Therefore that disciple whom Jesus used to love said to Peter: “It is the Lord!” Hence Simon Peter, upon hearing that it was the Lord, girded about himself his top garment, for he was naked, and plunged into the sea. . . .Jesus said to them: “Come, take YOUR breakfast.” Not one of the disciples had the courage to inquire of him: “Who are you?” because they knew it was the Lord.”

They “knew it was the Lord” yet for some reason, they still wanted to ask: “who are you.”

Doesn't that seem strange?

[NickHassan]

Hi,
So when in Genesis 6 only two of any KIND were to be saved did he keep some fertile mules?

[NickHassan]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 26 2009,08:34)

Nick Hassan wrote: Quote Mules are crossbreeds. You are getting into a part of biology which from my research even biologists seem to ignore overall.   If a greyhound mates with a pit bull their offspring could be called a crossbreed and yet it is still a dog.  Wolves and dogs are pretty much the same animal genetically except one has been domesticated for a long time.  Donkeys and Horses also crossbreed but their young is often but not always infertile.   So I agree with The Thinker that they are the same kind of animal which God has caused genetic changes in for his purpose.  That purpose probably has something to do with what he wants each type of animal to do.   We have observations of God doing this in various species though maybe not the exact type of change that exists between donkeys and horses.   Darwin’s Finches are a famous case of this though you can see the same thing in the various breeds of dogs, cats, horses, etc.

Hi KW,

fertile mules are rare.
FYI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mule

[SEEKING]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 25 2009,18:03)

Hi, So when in Genesis 6 only two of any KIND were to be saved did he keep some fertile mules?

Biologically, he did not have to –

MULE

the sterile offspring of a female horse and a male donkey, valued as a work animal, having strong muscles
(Dictionary.com)

Best you spend your time on your deep question –

So birds and fish must not be mated?

[NickHassan]

Such promise…
sigh..

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
Gen 6
1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

So what convinced you that these SONS were men?

[kerwin]

Nick Hassan wrote:

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So what convinced you that these SONS were men?

Besides for the fact Jesus clearly stated that angels do not marry and are not given in marriage it is the simplest explanation as you have two lines of human beings at the time and there is no mention of angels.  In fact you will find that Cain’s line up to Tubal-Cain in chapter 4 and then the list of Seth’s line to Noah’s sons so scripture makes clear there are two lines of humans at the time.  Of the two lines Seth’s is the one most likely to be referred to as sons of God just like the Hebrew people were.

I could speculate further that one line was what we know as Neanderthal man and the other is what we know as Cro-Magnon.   There are some archeologists that say they have found definite proof of such cross-breeding though others say the opposite.

I am not sure which race is the line of Cain though since Neanderthals are believed to be more carnivorous it seems they are definitely a possibility.  On the other hand Tubal-Cain was more technical adept and that is a mark of Cro-Magnon.

Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

So how many years did Noah and his sons live?

If you look then you will find that they, or at least Noah and Shem, lived well over 120 years so id does not seem God was speaking about them.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
Are these the same sons of God mentioned in Jb1-2,38, in your opinion?

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2009,12:42)

Hi KW, Are these the same sons of God mentioned in Jb1-2,38, in your opinion?

The title “sons of God” is a generic term that is applied to more than just the angels.  You have to figure out who is being spoken about by the context of the passage.  In Job 1-2 they are presenting themselves to God in heaven and human beings cannot do that so the assumption is that the scripture is mentioning angels.  Job 38 is speaking of the son of God that were there at the foundation of the earth and humans were not.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
So the term is applied to the angels.
Then how have you chosen to interpret it in Gen6 as men ?

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
So this refers to THE son of God
” 7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? “

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2009,13:39)

Hi KW, So the term is applied to the angels. Then how have you chosen to interpret it in Gen6 as men ?

Because it also applies to certain men as I showed you by quoting from the law and the context of Genesis 6 fits men and not angels as the later do not marry and are not given in marriage.

Nick Hassan wrote:

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So this refers to THE son of God

No, It refers to angels as it states 'all the “sons of God”' and human beings were not yet created at the foundation of the world.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
So are all the angels called sons of God?
Or are the sons of God higher or different angels?
Archangels?
Watchers?
Princes?
Elders?

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2009,14:33)

Hi KW, So are all the angels called sons of God? Or are the sons of God higher or different angels?   Archangels? Watchers? Princes? Elders?

The sons of God are anyone who seeks to do all that God commands whether they be angel or man.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
So they include the millions of faithful angels?
Were they all there when God was discussing with satan poor old Job?

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2009,14:58)

Hi KW, So they include the millions of faithful angels? Were they all there when God was discussing with satan poor old Job?

It does not really say whether all or just some of the angels presented themselves before God.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
Yes it seeems only some of them are called sons.
Ps 89
6For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD? who among the sons of the mighty can be likened unto the LORD?

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 27 2009,00:04)

Hi KW, Yes it seems only some of them are called sons. Ps 89 6For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD? who among the sons of the mighty can be likened unto the LORD?

Psalms 89:5-7(NIV) reads:

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The heavens praise your wonders, O LORD,       your faithfulness too, in the assembly of the holy ones. For who in the skies above can compare with the LORD ?       Who is like the LORD among the heavenly beings? In the council of the holy ones God is greatly feared;       he is more awesome than all who surround him.

Psalms 89:5-7(NIV) reads:

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And the heavens shall praise thy wonders, O LORD: thy faithfulness also in the congregation of the saints. For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD? who among the sons of the mighty can be likened unto the LORD? God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about him.

It seems the various translators has a difference of opinion about who this passage was speaking against.   I favor the angels over the saints because it seems to fit the context better.

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