The Trinity Doctrine

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (gollamudi @ June 24 2008,17:43)

Hi DK, You are funny.

Dk

No actually “Worshipping Jesus” is “two” words!

[Proclaimer]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 21 2008,11:01)

Can you name “One” thing that is not plural in nature? All creation reveals the Glory of God. Plurality of unity. But your Unitarian glasses will not let you see this

I have human nature.

I am not 2 people. I am a person. A human being.
If I was wearing glasses that made me see double vision, then I might see myself in twice if I looked in the mirror.

It depends on what filters we have over our eyes. But regardless of the filter, I am really one human.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (t8 @ June 24 2008,21:01)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 21 2008,11:01) Can you name “One” thing that is not plural in nature? All creation reveals the Glory of God. Plurality of unity. But your Unitarian glasses will not let you see this I have human nature. I am not 2 people. I am a person. A human being. If I was wearing glasses that made me see double vision, then I might see myself in twice if I looked in the mirror. It depends on what filters we have over our eyes. But regardless of the filter, I am really one human.

t8

So are you just flesh?

No, scriptures says you are Spirit, soul and body.

Plurality in unity!

All of creation declares his glory through plurality of unity.

[gollamudi]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 25 2008,03:09)

Quote (t8 @ June 24 2008,21:01) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 21 2008,11:01) Can you name “One” thing that is not plural in nature? All creation reveals the Glory of God. Plurality of unity. But your Unitarian glasses will not let you see this I have human nature. I am not 2 people. I am a person. A human being. If I was wearing glasses that made me see double vision, then I might see myself in twice if I looked in the mirror. It depends on what filters we have over our eyes. But regardless of the filter, I am really one human. t8 So are you just flesh? No, scriptures says you are Spirit, soul and body. Plurality in unity! All of creation declares his glory through plurality of unity.

Hi WJ,
All together is called one human. Do you mean to say that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is called one God?
Do you mean to say Father is soul, Son is body and the Holy Spirit is Spirit?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (gollamudi @ June 25 2008,03:26)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 25 2008,03:09) Quote (t8 @ June 24 2008,21:01) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 21 2008,11:01) Can you name “One” thing that is not plural in nature? All creation reveals the Glory of God. Plurality of unity. But your Unitarian glasses will not let you see this I have human nature. I am not 2 people. I am a person. A human being. If I was wearing glasses that made me see double vision, then I might see myself in twice if I looked in the mirror. It depends on what filters we have over our eyes. But regardless of the filter, I am really one human. t8 So are you just flesh? No, scriptures says you are Spirit, soul and body. Plurality in unity! All of creation declares his glory through plurality of unity. Hi WJ, All together is called one human. Do you mean to say that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is called one God? Do you mean to say Father is soul, Son is body and the Holy Spirit is Spirit?

Hi GM

Quote (gollamudi @ June 25 2008,03:26)

Do you mean to say that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is called one God?

This part is correct.

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
Is this the God of Jesus, the one we follow?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 25 2008,07:12)

Hi WJ, Is this the God of Jesus, the one we follow?

NH

Yes he is also the God that the Father calls God!

Heb 1:8

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
So he is not the same God as the God Who calls him god.
Should we worship anyone called god in the bible?

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
Jn20
17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Or should we follow the philosphers and 'wise men' of this world who think they have found a trinity god?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 25 2008,07:25)

Hi WJ, So he is not the same God as the God Who calls him god. Should we worship anyone called god in the bible?

NH

No he is not the Father. He is the Word that was with God and was God. The Father calls no other God, except Yeshua. In he fact says there is no other but him. So I suppose he was lieing in Heb 1:8.

Yes you should worship him.

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
You stand apart from scripture.
Jesus did not worship himself and we follow him.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 25 2008,07:33)

Hi WJ, You stand apart from scripture. Jesus did not worship himself and we follow him.

NH

So you say.

I thought you are supposed to follow God and not a mere man?

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
What did Jesus say?
Surely he is your master?
Matthew 4:19
And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.
Matthew 8:22
But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
John 21:22
Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
John 10:27
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Have you found some other way?

[NickHassan]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 25 2008,07:49)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 25 2008,07:33) Hi WJ, You stand apart from scripture. Jesus did not worship himself and we follow him. NH So you say. I thought you are supposed to follow God and not a mere man?

Hi WJ,
Should we not follow the man Jesus Christ?

Romans 5:15
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 25 2008,10:12)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 25 2008,07:49) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 25 2008,07:33) Hi WJ, You stand apart from scripture. Jesus did not worship himself and we follow him. NH So you say. I thought you are supposed to follow God and not a mere man? Hi WJ, Should we not follow the man Jesus Christ? Romans 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

NH

Yes of course follow him. When is the last time you created anything?

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
Then please show us where he worshiped himself if you want us to do so.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 25 2008,10:32)

Hi WJ, Then please show us where he worshiped himself if you want us to do so.

NH

Do you need to see God worship himself before you do?

Yeshua who is the Word/God that came in the flesh gave us an example of how to worship the Father.

However can you show me where Yeshua before he came in the flesh worshipped the Father or after his ressurection?

He has returned to his Glory with the Father and now sits in the throne being worshipped.

What scriptures do show us is this…

And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; Rev 5:11

Do you see Yeshua listed here with the rest around throne?

No here is what you see…

Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever. Rev 5:12, 13

Do you not say “worthy are you Yeshua, to recieve glory and honour and power and strength and blessing and wisdom”?

If this is not worship but honour as you say, would you say this to any other being besides the Father, like the Angels or men or Kings or Lords or Apostles or Prophets?

Could you give this kind of worship to any other?

And why would Yeshua be getting this kind of worship at the same time the Father is being worshipped with the very same words?

[Not3in1]

Excellent scriptures, Keith! I'm following along….
Thank you,
Mandy

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
If PROSKUNEO deference is sufficient for you in worshiping God then your God is too small.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 25 2008,17:17)

Hi WJ, If PROSKUNEO deference is sufficient for you in worshiping God then your God is too small.

NH

Then Yeshua's words were not adequate for worshipping the Father!

But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship (PROSKUNEO) the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. Jn 4:24

Notice, “The Father seeketh such to worship (PROSKUNEO) him”!

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