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- September 15, 2007 at 4:13 am#66012
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ParticipantHi Eveveryone!
Everything you guys have shared are mostly true and scriptural.
I have learned so much from all you..thank you!
But I have some question I was hoping you guys can help with.
Would not the Word of the Father, which is His divine expression of Himself, brought forth directly from Him by His breath, and discloses Who He is, make the Word God?
Or do you think that because His Word was clothed in human flesh it some how makes Jesus a different entity or essence than the Father.
But I do know Jesus is the Fullness of God bodily. He bodily was given the Spirit of God without limit.
I look forward to hearing from all of you…. God Bless!
September 15, 2007 at 4:14 am#66013Not3in1
ParticipantWell, Isaiah, Charity and Mrs (I see you all online tonight), I'm headed to bed early.
Have a wondeful night and sweet dreams,
Mandy
PS – Isaiah – don't be such a stranger, OK? We've missed you!September 15, 2007 at 4:18 am#66014charity
ParticipantQuote (Is 1:18 @ Sep. 15 2007,16:07) Drama huh? That's unusual for Heaven.Net. Yes, I know, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
he he the drama was that bad IS,…. that some from the trinIty FORT even biult a bridge across to help the injured out
fLASH OF UNITY GOd the isnessSeptember 15, 2007 at 4:22 am#66015Is 1:18
ParticipantQuote (seeking the truth @ Sep. 15 2007,16:13) Hi Eveveryone! Everything you guys have shared are mostly true and scriptural.
I have learned so much from all you..thank you!
But I have some question I was hoping you guys can help with.
Would not the Word of the Father, which is His divine expression of Himself, brought forth directly from Him by His breath, and discloses Who He is, make the Word God?
Or do you think that because His Word was clothed in human flesh it some how makes Jesus a different entity or essence than the Father.
But I do know Jesus is the Fullness of God bodily. He bodily was given the Spirit of God without limit.
I look forward to hearing from all of you…. God Bless!
Hi STT,
I don't think the word “logos” always equates to 'vocalisation'. Certainly that meaning does not fit the context of verses like John 1:1, Hebrews 4:12, Revelation 19:13….September 15, 2007 at 4:23 am#66016Is 1:18
ParticipantQuote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 15 2007,16:14) Well, Isaiah, Charity and Mrs (I see you all online tonight), I'm headed to bed early. Have a wondeful night and sweet dreams,
Mandy
PS – Isaiah – don't be such a stranger, OK? We've missed you!
Good night Mandy.
September 15, 2007 at 4:26 am#66017Is 1:18
ParticipantQuote (charity @ Sep. 15 2007,16:18) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Sep. 15 2007,16:07) Drama huh? That's unusual for Heaven.Net. Yes, I know, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
he he the drama was that bad IS,…. that some from the trinIty FORT even biult a bridge across to help the injured out
fLASH OF UNITY GOd the isness
He he, I did not miss the inference….trinitarians are people too Charity…Where did this drama unfold? I'm curious.
September 15, 2007 at 4:39 am#66019IM4Truth
ParticipantIs. 1:18 Welcome back. I am surprised you ask me a question! How do I see Jesus? He is the Son of our Heavenly Father. The Father gave Him Life. He was the spoken Word of God in the Old testament. Nobody has seen or heard the Fathers voice. Otherwise the scripture that says that nobody heard or seen the Father would contradict. Even when Moses went on Mount Sinai it was not the Father. Since I believe in the preexisting of Jesus all of that to me makes sense. And the Word became Man.
Babies are so cute, I miss those days, now where I am old, so enjoy while you can, they grow up so fast. Even if they keep you up at night, and they do, we had 4 children. I also have enjoyed everyone of our Grandchildren and those you can send Home if they get to you, ha,ha.
Peace and Love Mrs.:D
September 15, 2007 at 4:43 am#66020IM4Truth
ParticipantGood Night Mandy:D
Peace and Love Mrs.
September 15, 2007 at 4:56 am#66022charity
ParticipantQuote (Is 1:18 @ Sep. 15 2007,16:26) Quote (charity @ Sep. 15 2007,16:18) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Sep. 15 2007,16:07) Drama huh? That's unusual for Heaven.Net. Yes, I know, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
he he the drama was that bad IS,…. that some from the trinIty FORT even biult a bridge across to help the injured out
fLASH OF UNITY GOd the isness
He he, I did not miss the inference….trinitarians are people too Charity…Where did this drama unfold? I'm curious.
O im so SORRY…You have been so kind to me…
and I would not be doing you a favor giving anymore direction.will pray for a good night sleep for you and your family
Take care
September 15, 2007 at 5:09 am#66023charity
ParticipantQuote (seeking the truth @ Sep. 15 2007,16:13) Hi Eveveryone! Everything you guys have shared are mostly true and scriptural.
I have learned so much from all you..thank you!
But I have some question I was hoping you guys can help with.
Would not the Word of the Father, which is His divine expression of Himself, brought forth directly from Him by His breath, and discloses Who He is, make the Word God?
Or do you think that because His Word was clothed in human flesh it some how makes Jesus a different entity or essence than the Father.
But I do know Jesus is the Fullness of God bodily. He bodily was given the Spirit of God without limit.
I look forward to hearing from all of you…. God Bless!
“bumping” the post aboveHopefully more replys will be posted for you soon seeking the truth.
I have enjoyed reading your posts, thankyou so much also
The men have nailed a few good reports to the door for us, Its Nice to here a good feedback from others, we are all giving it all we haveSeptember 15, 2007 at 11:28 am#66027IM4Truth
ParticipantWHO IS JESUS
Jesus had asked his disciples this question once,
Mat. 16:13 “When Jesus came into the coast of Caesare’a Philip’pi, he asked
his
disciples, saying, whom do men say that I the son of man am?”
v. 15 “He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?”
v. 16 “And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the
living God.”
v. 17 “And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jo’na:
for flesh and blood has not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in
heaven.”
This verse tells us more then just the fact that God revealed to Peter who Jesus was; it lets us know where understanding of the bible comes from; God. Without his Holy Spirit we would have no understanding of his Word, except for the historical data contained in it. Hear is what Paul had to say,
1 Cor. 2:9 “But as it is written, Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered
into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love
him.”
v. 10 “But God has revealed them unto us (believers) by his Spirit: for the Spirit
searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.”
v. 11 “For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in
him? Even so the things of God knoweth no man but the Spirit of God.”
v. 12 “Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God;
that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.”
Have you ever ask yourself; why are there so many denominations? Should not all Ministers teach the same? They all teach from the same bible, do they not? They are all taught by the same Holy Spirit, or are they? Have you ever ask yourself; why do we call the Father, Father? And why do we call Jesus, his Son? Have you ever checked in your dictionary the definitions for Father and son? I have,
Father: He who gives life to the son.
Son: He who receives life from the father.
Why is Jesus called the firstborn? This one should be easy; if you have children you have a firstborn, boy or girl doesn’t matter. Jesus did not become his father’s son when he was born of Mary; because that was not the moment he received life. His existence goes all the way back to creation;
Col. 1:16 “For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible…”
How can we ignore the fact that God gave his Son; that God sent his son?
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son…”
v. 17 “For God sent not his Son into the world…”
Col. 1:15 “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.”
Col. 3:10 “And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the
image (Jesus) of him (the Father) that created him.”
Rev. 3:14 “…These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the
beginning of the creation of God.”
How can we after reading all these scriptures, still insist that Jesus coexisted with the Father from all eternity? What does it mean to be made in the image? Jesus is the image of the Father; the Father is spirit in nature so is Jesus. Adam was created in the image of God,
Gen. 1:26 “And God said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness…”
But Adam was flesh not spirit; a different nature; so what is Adam’s image? What is it that the Father, the Son and us humans have in common? A Mind! Also called a spirit,
1 Cor. 2:11 “For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? Even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.”
God is a thinker, a planer and creator, and so are we; God made us that way, in his image; he has even given us the power to procreate. Jesus was not only the first to receive life, but also the first to live again after death.
Col. 1:18 “ And he is the head of the body, the church; who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.”
Preeminence is to be the first in everything. You can read about the beginning of Gods creation, his Son, in the book of Proverbs; it is easiest understood when you read it in the JAMES MOFFAT translation;
Prov. 8:22 “ The Eternal formed me first of his creation, first of all his works in days of old;”
v. 23 “ I was fashioned in the earliest ages, from the very first, when earth began;”
v. 24 “ I was born when there were no abysses, when there were no fountains full of water;”
v. 25 “ ere he sunk the bases of the mountains, ere the hills existed, I was born,”
v. 26 “ when earth and fields were not created, nor the very first clods of the World.”
v. 27 “ When he set the heaven up, I was there, when he drew the Vault o’er the abyss,”
v. 28 “ when he made the clouds firm overhead, when he fixed the fountains of the deep.”
v. 29 “ when he set the boundaries of the sea, when he laid foundations for the earth;”
v. 30 “ I was with him then, his foster child, I was his delight day after day, playing in His presence constantly.”
You have to be blind if you can’t see who is being talked about hear. That is exactly why we read in;
John 1:1 “ In the beginning was the Word… (Jesus was the Word).”
When we read in;
Gen. 1:1 “ In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth…”
We have no problem understanding that the earth or the universe for that matter did not always existed, that they had a beginning; why then do we give “ beginning“ a different meaning when it comes to the Son of God, Jesus Christ? Do we think we dishonor Jesus by believing the truth? Or do we think we honor Jesus more by raising him to the same level of his Father? The Father has already raised the son to the highest position; if we try to do more we dishonor the father.
Heb. 10:12 “But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down
on the right hand of God.” (Highest position of honor)
We acknowledge the fact that Jesus came to save us, but we also say that he was both flesh and spirit. Why is that false? It would have made Jesus a mixture of two natures; he would have been a hybrid. God hates perversion of his creation; he destroyed the world with a flood once because of it.
Gen. 6:1 “And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth,
and daughters were born unto them.”
v. 2 “That the sons of God (angels) saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and
they took them wives of all which they chose.”
v. 4 “There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of
God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”
v. 7 “And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the
earth…”
v. 12 “And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had
corrupted his way upon the earth.”
These are not Satan’s demons that corrupted God’s way, these are angels that looked down from heaven and were tempted by the beauty of the woman. Read what Jude and Peter have to say,
Jude 6 “And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he
hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great
day.”
v. 7 “Even as Sodom and Gomor’rha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving
themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh…”
2 Peter 2:4 “For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.”
God was angry; he did not create humans to become
half spirit, or spirit beings to become half humans. God created all after their kind,
Gen. 1:21 “And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.”
v. 24 “And God said, let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, and
creeping things, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.”
v. 25 “And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind,
and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.”
After their kind meaning their nature. Paul gives us this explanation;
1 Cor. 15:39 “All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men,
another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.”
v. 40 “There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial; but the glory of the
celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.”
God created all things for His glory. So then, why did God spared Noah and his family?
Gen. 6:9 “These are the generations of Noah; Noah was a just man and perfect in his
generation, and Noah walked with God.”
What does “perfect in his generations” mean? He and his family were the only pure humans left; all others flesh had been corrupted. To mix two kinds creates a hybrid and is an insult to God. The bible does tell us that Jesus was not a mixture of two natures,
Heb. 2:16 “For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the
seed of Abraham.(flesh)”
Jesus came to ransom Adam from the grave and all of us. Someone that was not affected by Adam’s sin could only accomplish this. Adam’s sin made him unclean,
Job 14:4 “Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean?”
Rom. 5:12 “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and so death passed
upon all men, for that all have sinned.”
Rom. 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord,”
We are all sinners and deserve death but for now we die for Adam’s sin; or how would you explain the death of infants and little children that know no sin. Our only hope was in Jesus Christ who was not of our nature and not effected by the curse of death. God changed his spirit body into a human body; this change did not affect his mind, for he knew who he was, where he came from and why he had come. Jesus knew about his mission from creation,
Rev. 13:8 “And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the earth.”
Although tempted in all things he remained sinless, it was his body that took on our sins, and he became sin for us,
2 Cor. 5:21 “For he has made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be
made the righteousness of God in him.”
Failure was not an option; it would have meant the end of his existence as well as all of ours. Jesus experienced all the things we do in our life; real thirst, real hunger, real pain and death.
Heb. 2:18 “For that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them
that are tempted.”
Heb. 4:15 “For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of
our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.”
Jesus endured it all because his mind was on the eternal not on the temporal.
Heb. 12:2 “Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that
was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the
right hand of the throne of God.”
Jesus died and was placed in a tomb; after three days and three nights, God raised him up. Jesus was given back his true nature, spirit. His flesh body had taken on all of our sins, was no longer needed and God disposed of it. And why should that have surprised any one, that his body was gone? God did tell us ahead of time, he would not allow his body to decay.
Ps. 16:10 “For thou wilt not leave my soul (body) in hell (grave); neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption (decay).”
And Paul does explain,
2 Cor. 5:16 “Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.”
Jesus no longer looked the same, which also explains why all his friends did not recognize him by sight,
John 20:15 “Jesus said unto her (Mary Magdalene), Woman, why weepest thou? Whom
seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have born him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.”
John 21:4 “But when the morning now was come, Jesus stood on the shore; but the
disciples knew not that it was Jesus.”
Luke 24:15 “And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned,
Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.”
v. 16 “But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.”
Jesus in his spirit body does not look anything like his flesh body that is why all paintings and portraits of him are wrong; including the shroud of Turin. Had God allowed an image of his son to appear on that shroud; He would have violated his own second commandment. The fact that Jesus rose from the dead is our hope, because he has the keys to unlock the doors to our graves,
Rev. 1:18 “I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell (grave) and of death.”
1 Cor. 15:22 “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.”
v. 23 “But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.”
Referring to the first resurrection.
John 5:28 “Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the
graves shall hear his voice.”
v. 29 “And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection; and they
that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
For many people, that have done great evil to others, it may very well be a resurrection of damnation. As all will be resurrected with the same thinking, the same attitudes, as when they died. All will be required to repent and ask for forgiveness, there may be those that have done such evil deeds that they can’t or want repent, nor ask for forgiveness; their fait is sealed. The resurrection of the dead will occur during the thousand-year reign of Christ, the Millennium. God designed this period so that all mankind would have the opportunity to learn the truth. It will be the time when Christ will judge the world. But judgment does not come before a trial. We read in,
1 Peter 4:17 “For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and
if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God.”
Judgment means teaching, testing, and trials, proving you are worthy to receive the gift of God, eternal life. The house of God is his Church, the body of Christ, the Saints. Judgment was on them first because they would reign with Christ. For all others their time of judgment will be during the millennium. The end of them that obey not the gospel during the millennium is also mentioned in,
Acts 3:23 “And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet,
shall be destroyed from among his people.”
Which of course is the second death, eternal death; from which there is no resurrection. This raises a question; who has your allegiance; your Church, your Minister or God? Remember,
Is. 8:20 “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is
because there is no light (truth) in them.”
Also keep in m
ind what Paul says in,
1 Thes. 5:21 “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.”
It is more than good advice!This is our belief and understanding of 12 years of studying the word of God. Read it slowly and please pay attention to the scriptures.
Peace and Love Mrs.September 15, 2007 at 6:08 pm#66038
GeneBalthropParticipantQuote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 15 2007,15:36) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 15 2007,12:33) Mr.Steve……> the word Elohim is a plural form according to the Hedrew language. But I believe God consistes of Seven Spirits and these Spirits are not the same Spitits. It's very much like you, you are one man, but consist of many parts, arms,legs,hand, eyes,ears,mind,and ect. So i could say you are a uni-plural being, one man compossed of many parts but one man. The church is uni-plural, one church made up of many members. Even so with God He is one God composed of seven Spirits and i believe when He said let us create man, He was referencing to the seven spirits that go out into all the earth. God is a uni-plural being. Uni-(one God) plural (seven Spirits) still equalos one God. Thats why i think the words (let US) is used. There are to many scriptures that show that God created everything Himself for someone to think there was some other being with Him.
Brother Gene,Interesting ideas here; however, I wonder, if we were made in the image of God, and God has seven spirits, why don't we also have seven spirits?
When I read Rev. I read that seven spirits “go out from God” but that doesn't necessarily have to mean that God “is” those seven spirits. Know what I mean?
Not3in1…..> what is Spirit, is it not a force like the wind is we can't see the wind but we can feel and see the effects it has. Jesus said the words he spoke were spirit and life. So whats a word is it not intellect, and the spirit of truth is the intellect to precieve truth isn't that what Jesus said ” how beit when the Spirit comes it will guide you into all truth. there are seven spirits or intellects of God,the spirit of wisdom, the spirit of truth,the spirit of prophesy, the spirit to create, and ect, but they represent only one God, and Jesus had the seven spirits of God in him, thats why it says he had the fullness of God in Him. But just because He had the seven Spirits (IN) him does not make him God. What the Father has given us is the (Spirit of Truth) thats a power to reconize truth, that gives us an ability that those who don't have it don't have. So how can we condem, it's God who opens or clooses the minds of people. HE creates righteousness in Us and He should get the glory for what He Does. It says Jesus has the seven Spirits of God and these go out into all the earth. It also says that God works in us to Will and do His good pleasure, How is He in us, is it not by His spirit. One God in all and through all. This same God was in Jesus christ our Lord., But like i said before that does not make JesusSeptember 15, 2007 at 6:27 pm#66039IM4Truth
ParticipantGen If you say that God has seven spirits, it contradict that there is only One Holy Spirit in Ephesians 4:4-6
Seven is Gods number a perfect number. So when it says seven spirit it means a perfect spirit. The scriptures do not contradict. Seven in this case is a Metafore. We have to take all scriptures in to consideration before we make up our minds to believe in what it says. When you quote spirit of wisdom etc. that is what the Holy Spirit is, not separate from it.
Those that believe in the trinity do that a lot.Peace and Love Mrs.
September 15, 2007 at 8:28 pm#66041
GeneBalthropParticipantIm4 truth…..I didn't say God (has) seven Spirits, I am saying God is (Composed) of seven Spirits, It's still one God. These spirits God can and does give us in verying degrees, but Jesus had the fullness of the Spirt, in other words all seven of the Spirits of God dwelt in him, didn't he say the Father was (IN) him, God is spirit and concederes us temples He can indwell. And how does He do that by His Spirit even the spirit of truth is (part) of God, it is the earnest or down payment of God given to us. The Spirit of God now given to us is not the fullness that comes when we grow to the full measure of Christ,then we will have the fullness of God dwelling in us also, that God may be (ALL) and in (ALL) One God in all things…..this is just the way i see it at this time thats all……..Love to you and yours……gene
September 15, 2007 at 9:00 pm#66043
GeneBalthropParticipantIm4truth…..> Rev 3:1 These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the Seven stars.
Rev 4:5….>And from the throne proceeded lightnings, thunderings,and voices. Seven lamps of fire, which are the seven Spirits of God.
Rev 5:6….>And i looked and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, Stood a lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
ONE GOD< who sends out himself in His seven Spirits. And He (GOD) was (IN) Jesus completely, But again because God indwelled Jesus that does not make Jesus God. God conceders us all temples He can live and may the fullness of God dwell in us<Just like it does Jesus….Peace to all who seek and love truth…….gene
September 15, 2007 at 9:35 pm#66044942767
ParticipantQuote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 15 2007,15:37) Heeeeeey! Brother Isaiah! How are ya? Long time no see!
Hi Isaiah:Nice to hear from you and to hear that you and your family are doing well. God Bless you and your family.
Love in Christ
September 15, 2007 at 9:42 pm#66045IM4Truth
ParticipantGen I see what you are saying, but it just does not seem right to me. In that case scripture does contradict. There has to be another explanation for that, I will ask my Husband and see what He says.
Will get back with you later.Peace and Love Mrs.
September 15, 2007 at 9:51 pm#66046942767
ParticipantQuote (seeking the truth @ Sep. 15 2007,16:13) Hi Eveveryone! Everything you guys have shared are mostly true and scriptural.
I have learned so much from all you..thank you!
But I have some question I was hoping you guys can help with.
Would not the Word of the Father, which is His divine expression of Himself, brought forth directly from Him by His breath, and discloses Who He is, make the Word God?
Or do you think that because His Word was clothed in human flesh it some how makes Jesus a different entity or essence than the Father.
But I do know Jesus is the Fullness of God bodily. He bodily was given the Spirit of God without limit.
I look forward to hearing from all of you…. God Bless!
Hi ST:I am not sure what you are asking by the question below. Please explain. Thanks.
Quote Would not the Word of the Father, which is His divine expression of Himself, brought forth directly from Him by His breath, and discloses Who He is, make the Word God? What I don't understand is the last phrase: “make the Word of God?”
God Bless
September 15, 2007 at 10:08 pm#66047
GeneBalthropParticipantto all….I think the concept of indwelling is not fully realized. God truly indwelled Jesus, was living in the same body as Jesus was, a body is like a house you can have different people living in the same house. Jesus was living in His body and so was the Father, but just like another person living with you in your house is not you . So it was with Jesus' body. There were event times when The Farther spoke directly through the mouth of Jesus. Like when He said destory this temple and in three days I (GOD) will raise it up. That nwas the Father first person speaking through Jesus . Peace to all…..gene
September 15, 2007 at 10:45 pm#66049IM4Truth
ParticipantGene
Seven is God's number of perfection, it does not mean God has or is made up of seven spirits, it only emphasises the fact since God is Holy so is His Spirit, His Mind.
The same emphasis is made with the letters of criticism, written to the seven churches in Asia Minor.
It should not be understood as so all the other churches were perfect, and there were more churches then just these seven, it emphasizes the fact that, although God church is perfect the people in it still need correction.
The same conclusion should be drawn from all the spirit mentioned in ,
Is. 11:2 ” And the spirit of LORD shall rest upon Him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge, and of the fear of the LORD.”
These are not separate spirits of the Father, this God Holy Spirit, dwelling in Christ as Paul explains in,
Phil. 2:5 ” Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus.
This mind Paul is speaking of, is God's Holy Spirit. God through His Holy Spirit is trying to influence us in all good works, while Satan through His evil spirit is trying to influence to do gad.
1 Cor. 2:12 ” Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.My Husband helped me on this one.
Peace and Love Mrs.
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