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Quote (Cult Buster @ Sep. 09 2007,20:59) [quote=kejonn,Sep. 01 2007,10:11]
Kejonn. The struggle is yours. You are struggling to pervert the truth rather than accept the plain words of scripture.
Jesus is Jehovah.
Joh 7:42 Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
2Ti 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
Jer 23:5-6 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch (Jesus), and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD (Jehovah) OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Hey! I missed a post directed to me…must be slipping
. Even the verse you listed talks about what his name will be, not who he will be. And you list another “Jesus is God…if you use the right Bible translation” verse. Here are some others:
BBE: In his days Judah will have salvation and Israel will be living without fear: and this is the name by which he will be named, The Lord is our righteousness.
ERV: In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The LORD is our righteousness.
JPS: In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely; and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The LORD is our righteousness.
YLT: In his days is Judah saved, and Israel dwelleth confidently, And this his name that Jehovah proclaimeth him, 'Our Righteousness.'
NLT: And this is his name: `The Lord Is Our Righteousness.' In that day Judah will be saved, and Israel will live in safety.
ESV: “In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell securely. And this is the name by which he will be called: ‘The Lord is our righteousness.’
RSV: In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell securely. And this is the name by which he will be called: 'The LORD is our righteousness.'
Amazing what one little word, “is” will do to flatten a theology.
Trinitarians believe that God is one, yet three persons. Or, God is one, yet plural. Where does this reasoning come from? In Revelation we see the seven spirits of God. How about, God is one, yet seven person, or maybe nine of ten. You cannot have singular and plural together, it's a spiritual oxymoron. (spell check)
I remember working with my dad growing up. My dad might say, Let's fall that tree in this direction, or let's construct the building according to this plan. Because my dad included me in the conversation it never meant that I was dad. But somehow, when we read in Genesis where God said “Let us make man in our image” some are quick to draw conclusive proof that God is plural. If we want to know conclusively if God is plural or singular the first way is to find a scripture on point. Isaiah reads, the Lord is one. So how many is one? It appears we need to ask. According to all sources the last time I checked one was one. Some today believe that when the Lord said one he meant three, not really one. Does God ever say I am three? No.
When Jesus said Go into all the world … in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, some say that conclusively means that God is three in one. Mathew could have written in the name of the Father, the name of the Son, and the name of the Holy Spirit, but that would have been redundant. To conclude that all three have the same name contradicts scripture, even within the same scripture, we have three distinct names. The Father indicates the Father God, the Son the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit, the comforter who leads us into all truth.
Steven
Mr.Steve……> the word Elohim is a plural form according to the Hedrew language. But I believe God consistes of Seven Spirits and these Spirits are not the same Spitits. It's very much like you, you are one man, but consist of many parts, arms,legs,hand, eyes,ears,mind,and ect. So i could say you are a uni-plural being, one man compossed of many parts but one man. The church is uni-plural, one church made up of many members. Even so with God He is one God composed of seven Spirits and i believe when He said let us create man, He was referencing to the seven spirits that go out into all the earth. God is a uni-plural being. Uni-(one God) plural (seven Spirits) still equalos one God. Thats why i think the words (let US) is used. There are to many scriptures that show that God created everything Himself for someone to think there was some other being with Him.
Mr Steve….As far as the trinity goes even their own highly rated scholars admit they don't know how or understand how the trinity doctrine works, as i have posted before. And thats what gets me we have people here who swear by the trinity and their own scholars admit they don't understand it and these same one even got the nerve to say we twist the schriptures when their highest scholars admit they doin't understand it themselves……….gene
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I do not think that God has seven spirits otherwise Ephesians 4 were it says there is only one Spirit( Holy) would contradict . And the Bible does not contradict. Seven Spirit in this case is a Metaphor meaning perfect. 7 is God's number.
But you are right about the trinity, because there are several scriptures were Jesus says the Father is greater then I. He is the Son of God.
Scripture also says that there is a Spirit in Man.
I also believe in the preexisting of Jesus, and that is why it says in Gen. Let us make Man in our image. But what image is that? It certainly not flesh. That is why we are different from the animals, they do everything by instinct. We have a Spirit, to reason, to understand etc.
I have had many experiences where I felt another persons spirit, like if they are right in the Room with me. Of course that I cannot prove, that is just my understanding. There is such a thing as Extra Sensory Perception, that has been proven. In order for that to happen one has to have someone of equal E.S.P. The spirit is like the wind and the wind travels, and I believe so can the Human spirit.
I know that some will disagree with me, but that is alright, I do not think that all will understand what I am saying. But I believe two Ladies do. I also believe that men are not as sensitive as woman are, because we have to be more sensitive because we have to nourish our Babies. Hope that makes sense to some.Peace and Love Mrs.:D
Quote But you are right about the trinity, because there are several scriptures were Jesus says the Father is greater then I. He is the Son of God.
Mrs Im4truth,
In what sense, or senses, is Yeshua “the Son of God”?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 15 2007,12:33) Mr.Steve……> the word Elohim is a plural form according to the Hedrew language. But I believe God consistes of Seven Spirits and these Spirits are not the same Spitits. It's very much like you, you are one man, but consist of many parts, arms,legs,hand, eyes,ears,mind,and ect. So i could say you are a uni-plural being, one man compossed of many parts but one man. The church is uni-plural, one church made up of many members. Even so with God He is one God composed of seven Spirits and i believe when He said let us create man, He was referencing to the seven spirits that go out into all the earth. God is a uni-plural being. Uni-(one God) plural (seven Spirits) still equalos one God. Thats why i think the words (let US) is used. There are to many scriptures that show that God created everything Himself for someone to think there was some other being with Him.
Brother Gene,Interesting ideas here; however, I wonder, if we were made in the image of God, and God has seven spirits, why don't we also have seven spirits?
When I read Rev. I read that seven spirits “go out from God” but that doesn't necessarily have to mean that God “is” those seven spirits. Know what I mean?
We started a major home remodel back in June and it's been really hectic here. Sometimes I can't even hear myself think over the hammering! We are adding on a new “wing” and sometimes they are literally rattling my cage! We are having problems marrying the new house with the old right now and so I am up late – here – trying to get my mind off of my troubles (it helps!)
Besides all that, everything is really good here. Glad to see you again. I was wondering if you had left for good. Someone even noticed that you had been gone as long as Nick and wondered if you and him were the same person! Ha!Quote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 15 2007,15:50) We are having problems marrying the new house with the old right now and so I am up late – here
Maybe you could try marriage counselling? Sorry – corny.
Aug-Sept is a busy part of my work schedule. I'm away for home quite a lot. I have been checking in here from time to time, mainly to see if t8 has posted his debate submission. But haven't have the inclination to engage in other discussions, probably because our 6 month old isn't sleeping much between 12:30-4:30am, so broken sleep every night and a busy work schedule leaves me very tired at night.
Quote (charity @ Sep. 15 2007,15:56) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Sep. 15 2007,15:42) I'm well thanks.
Hey So nice to see you IS, glad you are well
Hello friend. Nice to see you here as well.Now you've got me wondering what kind of business is busy in Aug-Sept.? Anyway, I know that's personal stuff. I'm sorry to hear your baby is not sleeping well. My Son kept us up most of his babyhood – I can relate.
I haven't followed the debates lately. I've been engaged in the whole discussion around the Sabbath and Feasts. There has been some “drama” too, which, I could definitly live without but oh well. Anyway, good to hear from you again. I hope your life gets a little easier and quiter (especially between the hours of 12:30 a.m. a d 4:30 a.m.)
I've always enjoyed your wit! We need more of that around here, that's for sure.
I even miss Nick and his proding ways. I emailed him and he's back from his vacation. I got to see pictures of Ephesus! Amazing! Not sure if he will return to HeavenNet though. I don't think he misses the drama! Imagine!
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