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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 01 2007,15:56) Gen 41:38 Then Pharaoh said to his servants, “Can we find a man like this, in whom is a divine spirit?” [speaking of Joseph] Yes I do believe that the Spirit of God is divine. Interesting “Nasb” is the only translation that uses the word “divine”, all the others translate it “Spirit of God”.
Not a good reference.
Quite right. NASB happens to my “default” version, so you caught me with my preference showing **blush**.Quote 1Sa 28:13 The king said to her, “Do not be afraid; but what do you see?” And the woman said to Saul, “I see a divine being coming up out of the earth.” [speaking of Samuel] Again “Nasb” the only one using the word divine. All others say “a god” or “gods”.
Not to mention the source of the one who saw this was one with a familiar spirit!
Not a good source.
Maybe some would think that they are “gods”, but “Divine” I dont think so!
What do you make of that passage about Samuel though, WJ? I mean, do you feel that the spirit that spoke to Saul was indeed Samuel, or another spirit who took on the form of Samuel? This has nothing to do with the trinity, just your thoughts on this passage.But it is odd that other translations say “gods” or “god” (elohiym) since we know that God was also called “elohiym” in the OT. So what does that make Samuel?
Kejonn
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What do you make of that passage about Samuel though, WJ? I mean, do you feel that the spirit that spoke to Saul was indeed Samuel, or another spirit who took on the form of Samuel? This has nothing to do with the trinity, just your thoughts on this passage.I think if you seek out a familiar spirit and delve into witchcraft and use divination to call for the dead, then that is what you get.
Death. These practices open mens spirits to visitations of demons and even satan himself.
Satan can appear as an angel of light and impersonate the dead. He also knows something about Gods word and how Gods word will play out. Satan cant predict the future but he can make intelligent gueses on how things may be. Fear was injected in Sauls life which could have led to his fall. Job said.. “that which I feared the most has come upon me”. Had he sought out Gods mercy through David his end may have been different.
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But it is odd that other translations say “gods” or “god” (elohiym) since we know that God was also called “elohiym” in the OT. So what does that make Samuel?Well if Samual had been with the Father from eternity and “all things” were made by him and for him and nothing was made that was made without him, and he was the image of the invisible God, and the express image of his person (substance, essence), and he was before all things, and by him all things consisted, well then that would make him God. I can’t imagine the image of God being less than God.
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1. The Heavenly Father of Jesus is true God
2. The Son (Jesus) is true God
3. The Holy Spirit is true God
4. There is only one true GodNick, Not3, Kenrch, Tim….which one is untrue? and why?
I'm not on the list, but I'm gonna throw my two cents in anyways (sorry)1. The Heavenly Father is THE true God – John 17:3
2. The Son is God in the sense that the judges of Israel were said to be gods. The judges were appointed of God to represent His judgment on earth. That is why Jesus quoted Psalm 82:6 in John 10:34. Jesus is the ultimate representative of God on earth, but this does not make him God the Father or equal with God. He is God by representation of the nature and character of God the Father, the Almighty God, God of gods. And he has the nature of God through his conception — has there been another who was born of God? And while Jesus may share the title of Lord of lords by his inheritance, he does not share the honor and position of God of gods (Deuteronomy 10:17).
3. The Holy Spirit is inseparable from God. It indwells us as an extension of Him, as it fully indwelled the Son. The Holy Spirit has never been worshiped and has always done the Will of God. There is no indication of it being apart and separate from God. The Holy Spirit is the means by which God continues to teach us, communicate with us, and comfort us. It is not God but of God — God the Father.
4. There is only one true Yahweh God. His Son Yeshua was a “true God” in the sense that, like the judges of Israel, he represented the one True God, Yahweh, God the Father. Yet Jesus could earn the title of “God” with a capital “G” because he is the only to fully be able to represent God to us, in perfection, while taking the form of Man. He is the only begotten Son of God, yet Son of Man. None other has been — or will be — able to represent God the Father to Man in a manner which we can see and understand. The judges were merely imperfect humans and were only called “gods” — Jesus is the only one of humanity worthy of the title of “God” because of his Father.Thanks for the list.
Hey Kejonn.I was reading back through this discussion and thought your post and thoughts were good.
Thanks for the input.
Quote (underdog @ Aug. 31 2007,16:51) T8-
I appreciate your writings on the Trinity and I have a question for you.Do you believe in the divinity of Christ? Do you think he was a flesh and blood man, or was he God on earth? (or both, like the Trinitarians say)
Furthermore: Is it possible to believe the Divinity of Christ, and yet NOT believe in the Trinity?
Hi underdog.Good name BTW. When you are the underdog, you don't have great expectations to fulfill. When you do better than expected, people are full of praise.
Anyway, I believe that Christ is a divine being because he came from God who is the the Divine. Likewise I am a man and so is my son. However this is just my reasoning, but it is really scripture that points me in this direction:
Colossians 2:9
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,I also believe that the Word was divine according to John 1:1 and I believe that the Word is Christ who partook of flesh.
Also if we can partake of divine nature, then how much more so of Christ?
2 Peter 1:4
Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.But is Christ a man? Well I believe that he came in the flesh and that makes him a man. John is strong in teaching that Jesus was a man. John proclaims a Christ whom he had “beheld”, not only had he seen him, but he had heard him, and even touched Christ with his own hands. He also says that any person who does not confess that “Jesus Christ has come in the flesh” is not from God and is “antichrist”.
Flesh is the nature of man.
So is Christ a God/Man or a being with both natures?
Well yes he has had both natures. But I am not so sure that he had them at the same time. That may be the case and it may not.
One view is that Christ humbled himself and emptied himself of his divine nature and took on human nature, and then returned to the glory and state that he had before with God.
Another view is that he is both at the same time, after all his Father is God and his mother was human. I continue to look for the truth here, but the truth may be tied up with the question, did Christ pre-exist his earthly birth, which I believe to be the case.
Ultimately, I believe that Jesus became like us, so that we could ultimately be like him, and that is why he calls us brothers. Yet for us God is not our brother but our Father and the Father of Jesus too.
As for your hypothetical question that a divine son be tied to the Trinity doctrine, I do not believe that to be so. It is not written that divine nature is what defines God. God is defined as who he is and what he is not greater than who he is. In fact God shares much of what he is (or his qualities) with us, i.e., spirit, love, light, eternal life, etc. But he doesn't assimilate us into who he is. We keep our identities or souls, what we gain is God's characteristics and even his nature.
1 Peter 1:9
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.Quote (t8 @ Sep. 06 2007,11:08) Quote (kejonn @ July 02 2007,14:47) Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 30 2007,08:38)
1. The Heavenly Father of Jesus is true God
2. The Son (Jesus) is true God
3. The Holy Spirit is true God
4. There is only one true GodNick, Not3, Kenrch, Tim….which one is untrue? and why?
I'm not on the list, but I'm gonna throw my two cents in anyways (sorry)1. The Heavenly Father is THE true God – John 17:3
2. The Son is God in the sense that the judges of Israel were said to be gods. The judges were appointed of God to represent His judgment on earth. That is why Jesus quoted Psalm 82:6 in John 10:34. Jesus is the ultimate representative of God on earth, but this does not make him God the Father or equal with God. He is God by representation of the nature and character of God the Father, the Almighty God, God of gods. And he has the nature of God through his conception — has there been another who was born of God? And while Jesus may share the title of Lord of lords by his inheritance, he does not share the honor and position of God of gods (Deuteronomy 10:17).
3. The Holy Spirit is inseparable from God. It indwells us as an extension of Him, as it fully indwelled the Son. The Holy Spirit has never been worshiped and has always done the Will of God. There is no indication of it being apart and separate from God. The Holy Spirit is the means by which God continues to teach us, communicate with us, and comfort us. It is not God but of God — God the Father.
4. There is only one true Yahweh God. His Son Yeshua was a “true God” in the sense that, like the judges of Israel, he represented the one True God, Yahweh, God the Father. Yet Jesus could earn the title of “God” with a capital “G” because he is the only to fully be able to represent God to us, in perfection, while taking the form of Man. He is the only begotten Son of God, yet Son of Man. None other has been — or will be — able to represent God the Father to Man in a manner which we can see and understand. The judges were merely imperfect humans and were only called “gods” — Jesus is the only one of humanity worthy of the title of “God” because of his Father.Thanks for the list.
Hey Kejonn.I was reading back through this discussion and thought your post and thoughts were good.
Thanks for the input.
Oh, I see!So you have more than one “true God”?
Isa 44:6
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.Isa 45:21
Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.Hsa 13:4
Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.Exod 23:13
And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 06 2007,18:59) Oh, I see! So you have more than one “true God”?
Actually it is you who has 3 as the one true God.For us, (not including yourself obviously) there is one God, the Father.
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 05 2007,18:08) Quote (kejonn @ July 02 2007,14:47) Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 30 2007,08:38)
1. The Heavenly Father of Jesus is true God
2. The Son (Jesus) is true God
3. The Holy Spirit is true God
4. There is only one true GodNick, Not3, Kenrch, Tim….which one is untrue? and why?
I'm not on the list, but I'm gonna throw my two cents in anyways (sorry)
1. The Heavenly Father is THE true God – John 17:3
2. The Son is God in the sense that the judges of Israel were said to be gods. The judges were appointed of God to represent His judgment on earth. That is why Jesus quoted Psalm 82:6 in John 10:34. Jesus is the ultimate representative of God on earth, but this does not make him God the Father or equal with God. He is God by representation of the nature and character of God the Father, the Almighty God, God of gods. And he has the nature of God through his conception — has there been another who was born of God? And while Jesus may share the title of Lord of lords by his inheritance, he does not share the honor and position of God of gods (Deuteronomy 10:17).
3. The Holy Spirit is inseparable from God. It indwells us as an extension of Him, as it fully indwelled the Son. The Holy Spirit has never been worshiped and has always done the Will of God. There is no indication of it being apart and separate from God. The Holy Spirit is the means by which God continues to teach us, communicate with us, and comfort us. It is not God but of God — God the Father.
4. There is only one true Yahweh God. His Son Yeshua was a “true God” in the sense that, like the judges of Israel, he represented the one True God, Yahweh, God the Father. Yet Jesus could earn the title of “God” with a capital “G” because he is the only to fully be able to represent God to us, in perfection, while taking the form of Man. He is the only begotten Son of God, yet Son of Man. None other has been — or will be — able to represent God the Father to Man in a manner which we can see and understand. The judges were merely imperfect humans and were only called “gods” — Jesus is the only one of humanity worthy of the title of “God” because of his Father.Thanks for the list.
Hey Kejonn.I was reading back through this discussion and thought your post and thoughts were good.
Thanks for the input.
You're welcome, and thanks for the compliment. Just to clarify, as I stated in my response above, Yeshua can only possess the title of “God”, he is not God Himself. He represented (and still represents) God to the people. As Christians, we are to be Christlike, so now we must represent God. Like Yeshua, we are sons of God. He was Son by birth, we are sons by rebirth. We are called his brethren, and if we can call Yeshua our brother, then are we God too?Rom 8:29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;
“The firstborn among many brethren”…sounds like one big family if you ask me! So one must be ready to accept either our own deification or that Yeshua is our brother and therefore not God. You can't have both.
Kejonn…..I read a paper on God written by Sir Issac Newton, the decribes the term (God) and it was much like what you are saying. He reasoned the the term God refered to dominion and said it was nearly always connected it, for instance the God of Abraham, the God of Jacob, the God of Israel, ect. He said it was and expression of rule and and athority. I believe thats what your saying also. interesting……….you can read Sir Issac Newton's papers on the Sir Issac Newton progect on the web.
While I maintane like you there is Only One (True ) God He does share and give authority to his childern. Dominion may be a very important part of the word God. thanks …….geneQuote (t8 @ Sep. 06 2007,20:42) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 06 2007,18:59) Oh, I see! So you have more than one “true God”?
Actually it is you who has 3 as the one true God.For us, (not including yourself obviously) there is one God, the Father.
Then why do you say Yeshua and men and Angels are “gods”?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 06 2007,18:59) Quote (t8 @ Sep. 06 2007,11:08) Quote (kejonn @ July 02 2007,14:47) Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 30 2007,08:38)
1. The Heavenly Father of Jesus is true God
2. The Son (Jesus) is true God
3. The Holy Spirit is true God
4. There is only one true GodNick, Not3, Kenrch, Tim….which one is untrue? and why?
I'm not on the list, but I'm gonna throw my two cents in anyways (sorry)1. The Heavenly Father is THE true God – John 17:3
2. The Son is God in the sense that the judges of Israel were said to be gods. The judges were appointed of God to represent His judgment on earth. That is why Jesus quoted Psalm 82:6 in John 10:34. Jesus is the ultimate representative of God on earth, but this does not make him God the Father or equal with God. He is God by representation of the nature and character of God the Father, the Almighty God, God of gods. And he has the nature of God through his conception — has there been another who was born of God? And while Jesus may share the title of Lord of lords by his inheritance, he does not share the honor and position of God of gods (Deuteronomy 10:17).
3. The Holy Spirit is inseparable from God. It indwells us as an extension of Him, as it fully indwelled the Son. The Holy Spirit has never been worshiped and has always done the Will of God. There is no indication of it being apart and separate from God. The Holy Spirit is the means by which God continues to teach us, communicate with us, and comfort us. It is not God but of God — God the Father.
4. There is only one true Yahweh God. His Son Yeshua was a “true God” in the sense that, like the judges of Israel, he represented the one True God, Yahweh, God the Father. Yet Jesus could earn the title of “God” with a capital “G” because he is the only to fully be able to represent God to us, in perfection, while taking the form of Man. He is the only begotten Son of God, yet Son of Man. None other has been — or will be — able to represent God the Father to Man in a manner which we can see and understand. The judges were merely imperfect humans and were only called “gods” — Jesus is the only one of humanity worthy of the title of “God” because of his Father.Thanks for the list.
Hey Kejonn.I was reading back through this discussion and thought your post and thoughts were good.
Thanks for the input.
Oh, I see!So you have more than one “true God”?
Isa 44:6
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.Isa 45:21
Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.Hsa 13:4
Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.Exod 23:13
And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.
Look at the Hebrew scriptures again.Try to fit them into your “Henotheistic” belief!
So let me see t8, Jesus made all things through a man.
Is this what you are saying?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 07 2007,04:04) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 06 2007,18:59) Quote (t8 @ Sep. 06 2007,11:08) Quote (kejonn @ July 02 2007,14:47) Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 30 2007,08:38)
1. The Heavenly Father of Jesus is true God
2. The Son (Jesus) is true God
3. The Holy Spirit is true God
4. There is only one true GodNick, Not3, Kenrch, Tim….which one is untrue? and why?
I'm not on the list, but I'm gonna throw my two cents in anyways (sorry)1. The Heavenly Father is THE true God – John 17:3
2. The Son is God in the sense that the judges of Israel were said to be gods. The judges were appointed of God to represent His judgment on earth. That is why Jesus quoted Psalm 82:6 in John 10:34. Jesus is the ultimate representative of God on earth, but this does not make him God the Father or equal with God. He is God by representation of the nature and character of God the Father, the Almighty God, God of gods. And he has the nature of God through his conception — has there been another who was born of God? And while Jesus may share the title of Lord of lords by his inheritance, he does not share the honor and position of God of gods (Deuteronomy 10:17).
3. The Holy Spirit is inseparable from God. It indwells us as an extension of Him, as it fully indwelled the Son. The Holy Spirit has never been worshiped and has always done the Will of God. There is no indication of it being apart and separate from God. The Holy Spirit is the means by which God continues to teach us, communicate with us, and comfort us. It is not God but of God — God the Father.
4. There is only one true Yahweh God. His Son Yeshua was a “true God” in the sense that, like the judges of Israel, he represented the one True God, Yahweh, God the Father. Yet Jesus could earn the title of “God” with a capital “G” because he is the only to fully be able to represent God to us, in perfection, while taking the form of Man. He is the only begotten Son of God, yet Son of Man. None other has been — or will be — able to represent God the Father to Man in a manner which we can see and understand. The judges were merely imperfect humans and were only called “gods” — Jesus is the only one of humanity worthy of the title of “God” because of his Father.Thanks for the list.
Hey Kejonn.I was reading back through this discussion and thought your post and thoughts were good.
Thanks for the input.
Oh, I see!So you have more than one “true God”?
Isa 44:6
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.Isa 45:21
Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.Hsa 13:4
Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.Exod 23:13
And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.
Look at the Hebrew scriptures again.Try to fit them into your “Henotheistic” belief!
So let me see t8, Jesus made all things through a man.
Is this what you are saying?
Sorry. Correction.Look at the Hebrew scriptures again.
Try to fit them into your “Henotheistic” belief!
So let me see t8, God made all things through a man?
Is this what you are saying?
I've enjoyed SOME of the posts recently.
The biggest problem with this site is that some people's responses are so long that it's hard to tell what the person is trying to say. Please people, make a clear and concise point(s), and then Stop.
Thanks!
Quote (underdog @ Sep. 07 2007,10:45) I've enjoyed SOME of the posts recently. The biggest problem with this site is that some people's responses are so long that it's hard to tell what the person is trying to say. Please people, make a clear and concise point(s), and then Stop.
Thanks!
UD,Thanks for the reminder to be pithy!
Also, I'd like to apologize for some of the posts lately that have been petty (versus pithy – ha). As one member said recently, we need oursleves to decrease so Christ can increase! This takes practice and patience. I hope you stay around for a while. There are truly some wonderful Christians here who love God and have some tremendous insight.
MandyMandy truer words have not been spoken. To increase in patience is about the hardest aspects of Life. Flesh wants to be recognized wants to be loved wants attention etc. But to give rather then receive is what we all should be doing. Human nature is not that easy to overcome. And only with God's Holy Spirit is it possible. Some will recognize it early in their lives, while others never will.
Paul always comes to my mind when I think about overcoming my faults. I think He struggled with His nature too. At least that is what I see in His writings in Romans 7:14-18Peace and Love Mrs.
Here's what the Set-apart Spirit has shown me.
The trinity is partly false and partly true.
The Oneness doctrine is partly false and partly true.“Partly” however is not good enough, it is the work od Satan, partly means twisted and therefore wicked.
YHWH is our Father in heaven He inspired men to write His Word. His Word is His Son and His Spirit. Elohim is YHWH and Spirit. YHWH my Elohim is the Father shown to me by His Son through the power of His Spirit.
The Son and the Father are so close we can herdly see where One begins and the other ends. We know that the Spirit decended on the Son like a dove. After this the Son went directly to the mountain where He was tempted by Satan for 40 days. Then directly He returned “in the fullness of the Spirit.”
Y'shua the man was not Elohim. Y'shua after the Spirit came fully upon Him, became Elohim in the flesh, because the Father gave ALL to the Son.
We must understand however, that the Son does the will of the Father. He can be completely trusted. This is true love, and what it means to be One.
We as believers have the same opportunity to be One with our Father. We do this through our obedience by faith. When we are under the Messiah, we are under His grace. We are given to know His will then by our belief. It is not by our own power that we are saved, only through the blood of our Master.
If you are confused and can't feel a definite power that can be proven with His Word, then you and I need to look at what sins we are carrying. Sometimes we carry sin, because we are unaware of the truth. Seek and you will find. Ask and it will be revealed. Knowing Y'shua Messiah we have the gift of forgiveness. Ask to be forgiven of all sin, even the sin you are unaware of, ask that all things will be made known to you so that we can grow to the fullness of Him, and be a light to the people.
Once you are free from that sin, pray directly while you can still be heard. Pray for understanding and vow to leep the things you learn. Make that covenant with Him, and do not break it. Then you will see all that you are able to bear, and will have the means to keep you vows.
Laurel
Quote The trinity is partly false and partly true.
The Oneness doctrine is partly false and partly true.
I agree with these statements. I have been reading a book called, “THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH” by John C. Dwyer. Surprisingly, I have found much truth regarding the Trinity by reading his book (he is a Catholic retired Prof. – also surprising). He presents the Trinity – not as three persons in one – but as a concept that he believes the original creed makers meant the Trinity to be all along. His concept supports the idea that God is one, and alone God, and that Jesus is his own seperate person as the Son of God. Anyway, in the way he presents his theories, I do see a Trinity. I encourage you to pick his book up (they are cheap on http://www.half.com). I have often wondered if this retired Prof. was asked to retire after he published this book as it does not line up with Catholic doctrine, obviously. I tried to track him down on the website of the Catholic College where he instructed, and not a big surprise here……he was the ONLY retired Prof. that did not have a personal email for further contact. He is still living. Interesting.Quote Y'shua after the Spirit came fully upon Him, became Elohim in the flesh
The only thing I would like to add here is that we must be careful when we used words like “became” to describe Jesus' changing in any sense. I only bring this up because the quote above could be taken that Jesus “became” a sort of incarnation of Elohim, himself; instead of meaning that Jesus had Elohim dwelling within him as we do. I'm assuming that is what you meant? Maybe I am incorrect?Jesus had the fullness of God, and we now have the fullness of Christ.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 07 2007,04:01) Quote (t8 @ Sep. 06 2007,20:42) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 06 2007,18:59) Oh, I see! So you have more than one “true God”?
Actually it is you who has 3 as the one true God.For us, (not including yourself obviously) there is one God, the Father.
Then why do you say Yeshua and men and Angels are “gods”?
I don't. The bible does.Elohim and theos are terms that are not used exclusively for the Almighty God.
When we see the word theos for example, we need to look at what theos. The theos of this world and the theos of all the earth are different.
It appears that sons of the Most High are also called theos.
Jesus is the son of the Most High.
I didn't write the bible, I just read it. So don't blame me.
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 09 2007,10:58) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 07 2007,04:01) Quote (t8 @ Sep. 06 2007,20:42) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 06 2007,18:59) Oh, I see! So you have more than one “true God”?
Actually it is you who has 3 as the one true God.For us, (not including yourself obviously) there is one God, the Father.
Then why do you say Yeshua and men and Angels are “gods”?
I don't. The bible does.Elohim and theos are terms that are not used exclusively for the Almighty God.
When we see the word theos for example, we need to look at what theos. The theos of this world and the theos of all the earth are different.
It appears that sons of the Most High are also called theos.
Jesus is the son of the Most High.
I didn't write the bible, I just read it. So don't blame me.
t8So you do believe that scriptures teach that there is more than “ONE GOD”?
So is Jesus “a god”?
Thats a closed ended question!
Yes or No!
I have said this many times and I will say it again.
There are many gods and many lords, but for us there is one God the Father. Not one God the Father, Son, Spirit as you teach.
So lets look at this with the word “Lord”.
There is one Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ. Now Jesus is my only Lord and it was God that made him both Lord and Christ.
When I was younger I use to flat and I had a landlord. Even then Jesus was my only Lord, that never ruled out that there were other lords or people who had authority in my life. It's just that Jesus is the Lord over God's creation. No one else is the Lord over God's creation, but there are lords that have lesser authority. My landlord was the lord over his property and guess what, he was truly my landlord. He wasn't a false lord. But the Lord Jesus is the Lord over all the earth, he is the only one that God made Lord over all.
Now it is not hard to understand in that context how the word “God” can be used. After all, men have also been called “theos” and “elohim”. This is not some fancy invention I came up with, it is the reality in scripture. I am just making an effort to be real and accept that which is written. Don't blame me if you disagree, blame scripture or those who wrote it.
I have said this many times, but I guess I will need to repeat it again in 1 year or so, when you have come full circle again.
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