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Hi Laurel,
SET APART does appear in scripture but not in relationship to the Spirit of God.
Rather it applies to thgings and men chosen by God for special purposes.1 Chronicles 23:13
The sons of Amram were Aaron and Moses And Aaron was set apart to sanctify him as most holy, he and his sons forever, to burn incense before the LORD, to minister to Him and to bless in His name forever.
Joshua 20:7
So they set apart Kedesh in Galilee in the hill country of Naphtali and Shechem in the hill country of Ephraim, and Kiriath-arba (that is, Hebron) in the hill country of Judah.
1 Chronicles 25:1
Moreover, David and the commanders of the army set apart for the service some of the sons of Asaph and of Heman and of Jeduthun, who were to prophesy with lyres, harps and cymbals; and the number of those who performed their service was:
Nehemiah 12:47
So all Israel in the days of Zerubbabel and Nehemiah gave the portions due the singers and the gatekeepers as each day required, and set apart the consecrated portion for the Levites, and the Levites set apart the consecrated portion for the sons of Aaron.
Psalm 4:3
But know that the LORD has set apart the godly man for Himself;The LORD hears when I call to Him.
Ezekiel 48:9
“The allotment that you shall set apart to the LORD shall be 25,000 cubits in length and 10,000 in width.
Acts 13:2
While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”
Romans 1:1
Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,
Galatians 1:15
But when God, who had set me apart even from my mother's womb and called me through His grace, was pleasedJohn 4: 23 yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.
[ I am getting cold chills because I have never read that verse and had it speak so clearly]
I corinthians 2: 6 We do however speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.(skipping to the meat vrs 10) 10 but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. 14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him and he connot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.Does the scripture portray a similiarity between our spirit and the way our spirit works after rebirth with our thoughts to the way the Holy Spirit works with the Father and His will.
Heb 4: 12 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, itpenetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
So just as God and the Holy Spirit are different is our soul and spirit different. Yes because we have a tri une nature hopefully no one is in dissagreement with that.
Ecclesiastes 3: 18-21 state that man and animals are no different. That they both have the same spirit and breath the same air (flesh) so the only thing that makes us different from the animal is our soul.
Our spirit was dead in sins and had to be reborn through baptism.(John chapter 3) And if we take communion in the wrong way many of our spirits will be sick or fall asleep. I corinthians 11: vrs 30 ( have taken a liberty and applied it to our spiritual health not Physical,although I guess technically it could,but I believe it is spiritual) If then we have a spirit which is like The Spirit and flesh which is like Christs flesh and Christ is the begotten(physical) representaion of God {Not God in the Flesh I am not trying to slip one in} Then what is our immortal soul like if not like the animals and how does it exist with the flesh before the rebirth of the spirit. without god having a triune nature our triune nature is only a copy of yashua and not in the image of God but in the Image of the representation of God. Yet this flesh is corrupt and will be done away with and we will recieve a new flesh nothing like this one. just like the seed is not the plant so this flesh shall parish like the seed so that something entirely different maybe reborn. Is it possible that yashua the vessel YWHW brought fourth to bring creation into existence was the plant before his birth became the seed while on earth and then became the plant again after his death. And we are the seeds now with the nature/image that Yashua had and he is showing us how to become the plant again from the perishable to the imperishable.(borrowed the seed example from scripture)So in a since we are in Gods image as well as Christs. Please forgive the randomness of the chain but my thoughts are so alive right now and it is hard to stay on one thread without wanting to bring so many others into this.
Hi cw,
You say
“So just as God and the Holy Spirit are different is our soul and spirit different. Yes because we have a tri une nature hopefully no one is in dissagreement with that. “We are body soul and spirit till death when our spirit goes back to God[ecc12].
then we are soul
unless we have the abiding Spirit of God.
[1Peter3]If so we will be raised in a new heavenly body to life.
[1Cor 15]
If not we are raised naked to judgement.Ps 49
' 5Wherefore should I fear in the days of evil, when the iniquity of my heels shall compass me about?6They that trust in their wealth, and boast themselves in the multitude of their riches;
7None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
8(For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever:)
9That he should still live for ever, and not see corruption.
10For he seeth that wise men die, likewise the fool and the brutish person perish, and leave their wealth to others.
11Their inward thought is, that their houses shall continue for ever, and their dwelling places to all generations; they call their lands after their own names.
12Nevertheless man being in honour abideth not: he is like the beasts that perish.
13This their way is their folly: yet their posterity approve their sayings. Selah.
14Like sheep they are laid in the grave; death shall feed on them; and the upright shall have dominion over them in the morning; and their beauty shall consume in the grave from their dwelling.
15But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave: for he shall receive me. Selah.”
God is not triune.
God has no human body.
He is a Spirit being and pours of His spirit into the Holy One who is begotten of Him and His adopted sons.the spirit is the force that makes up intellecual awareness a force we cant see like the wind and who ever is born of the Spirit has recieved this force in their minds and it resides in our being which is our souls. It is intellect which guides our thinking and we put forth in words and action. And we are told to try the spirits to see if they are from God. Jesus said God is a Spirit and we must worship Him in spirit and Truth. And in order to do that we must Haves the Spirit of truth in us or we can understand the things of God.
Nick why are you tieing flesh and Spirit and God's Spirit as some kind of triune existance, people can have alkinds of spirits in them some good and some bad, some clean and some unclean. remember when Jesus said when an unclean spirit leaves a man and then returns with seven others worse the the first and the last state of that man was worse than the first, your triune idology is not true….. thanks gene
Chip,
Just a note on the God separated from the Spirit like you said…
(God) Elohim can not ever be separated from His Spirit. The Set-apart Spirit comes from Him and without Him there would be no Spirit.His Spirit He gave to His Son to dwell in Y'shua, in it's fullness, so that we could know Him, through the Son, in the flesh.
We who believe that the Y'shua is the Son of Elohim (God), and guard His commands, are blessed by His grace with His Spirit in us.
Separating Elohim from the Spirit is a part of the false teaching of the trinity doctrine.
I just like to say I'm excited that you are already “seeing” things in Scripture that you had never noticed before!!!
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 28 2007,15:29) Hi Gene,
The spirit is not the mind.
God does not have flesh.
Nick …. so i gess God in your mind, does not have a mind.
is He then mindless.so when it says let this mind be in you that was also in Jesus Christ, i gess that wasn't God's mind it was talking about was it. And i gess if this mind was not spirit please tell me what it was.
You are getting mind and brain mixed up. The brain is considered our physical part but the mind is the spritual part which imputs intellect to us. At lease that the way i have always understood it.
wuold like to hear your follow up in this……thanks…gene
One more note on the set-apart Spirit (Holy Spirit)…
The same Spirit that dwells in Y'shua that comes from the Father, dwells in us, only to each individual in varying degrees. The more we follow Messiah, the more we receive by His grace.Hi Gene,
Why would you make such a statement?
Mind is not spirit.
Two different things entirely.We must be reborn of the Spirit, but renewed in our minds.
Quote (Laurel @ July 28 2007,16:10) One more note on the set-apart Spirit (Holy Spirit)…
The same Spirit that dwells in Y'shua that comes from the Father, dwells in us, only to each individual in varying degrees. The more we follow Messiah, the more we receive by His grace.
Hi Laurel,
So all are already saved and reborn from above of the Spirit of God.
We do not need to be born again?
And as we educate ourselves and copy Jesus we earn grace?Sorry but this is a new gospel that opposes scripture.
ALL MUST REPENT AND BE BAPTISED FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SIN AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE THE SPIRIT
is the original one.Happy Sabbath Gene!
Are you aware that what you speak that the Spirit dwells in our mind is very true? I am. YHWH's mark opposite the mark of the beast is that those who worship the Father and keep His commands have His mark “between the frontlets of their eyes”, and on their hand which represents our works. Specifically, that is the part of the mind where our conscience resides! This is why we are to remain sober. In order to protect our minds from becoming vulnerable to evil thoughts. You are very wise grasshopper.Hi Laurel,
It is the vanity of man to elevate his natural mind to be equal to God.
We must first seek the kingdom and enter it.
Then we can see the kingdom.
It must be renewed.Rom 12
'1I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.2And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 28 2007,16:12) Hi Gene,
Why would you make such a statement?
Mind is not spirit.
Two different things entirely.We must be reborn of the Spirit, but renewed in our minds.
Nick…did you not say GOD is spirit and not a mind so you are saying He is mindless,please explaine what it means to let this mind be in you that wa sin Christ Jesus. and dosen't it say “if this mind be in you that was in Christ Jesus (IT) will quicken your Mortal bodies aLso. so this mind can be transfered to us so the Mind an spirit are the same thing. and they are spritual not Physical you are confusing mind with Brain. If you were a doctor and were going to operate, it wiuld be the brain you were operating. But if you were out of your mind you would be crazy. The mind is the intellect processor that goes on in our physical brains.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 28 2007,16:16) Quote (Laurel @ July 28 2007,16:10) One more note on the set-apart Spirit (Holy Spirit)…
The same Spirit that dwells in Y'shua that comes from the Father, dwells in us, only to each individual in varying degrees. The more we follow Messiah, the more we receive by His grace.
Hi Laurel,
So all are already saved and reborn from above of the Spirit of God.
We do not need to be born again?
And as we educate ourselves and copy Jesus we earn grace?Sorry but this is a new gospel that opposes scripture.
ALL MUST REPENT AND BE BAPTISED FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SIN AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE THE SPIRIT
is the original one.
Nick,
Note the parable of the husbandman who pays his workes each an amount agree to for their work. The one who invests his money wisely and gets back profit and the profit goes to the husbanman, then the one who only recieved one shilling burrys it so it doesn't get lost. That man did not invest his money wisely and it was taken from him.So it is with Spiritual gifts. They are no good to us alone, only when we share them with others, then more is given.
See now?Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 28 2007,16:20) Hi Laurel,
It is the vanity of man to elevate his natural mind to be equal to God.
We must first seek the kingdom and enter it.
Then we can see the kingdom.
It must be renewed.Rom 12
'1I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.2And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Nick,
Who's elevating here?
I am saying that the mark of YHWH is in our mind and specifically “between the frontlets of our eyes”. That comes fromScripture. We who have His mark are we who believe Y'shua is the Son of Elohim and guard His commands.I've done plenty of studying in the field of physoilogy and also advertising, to know that the frontal lobe which is between the frontlets of our eyes is the part of our brain where our conscience is.
The New Testament says the the mark of the beast is a seared concience. A mind that has a scar that can not be erased. The mind of those people who do not obey His commands or even knows that they should. There is no hope for a peoron in this condition. “Seared” is permanently marked. 1 tim 4:2
Quote (Laurel @ July 28 2007,17:05) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 28 2007,16:16) Quote (Laurel @ July 28 2007,16:10) One more note on the set-apart Spirit (Holy Spirit)…
The same Spirit that dwells in Y'shua that comes from the Father, dwells in us, only to each individual in varying degrees. The more we follow Messiah, the more we receive by His grace.
Hi Laurel,
So all are already saved and reborn from above of the Spirit of God.
We do not need to be born again?
And as we educate ourselves and copy Jesus we earn grace?Sorry but this is a new gospel that opposes scripture.
ALL MUST REPENT AND BE BAPTISED FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SIN AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE THE SPIRIT
is the original one.
Nick,
Note the parable of the husbandman who pays his workes each an amount agree to for their work. The one who invests his money wisely and gets back profit and the profit goes to the husbanman, then the one who only recieved one shilling burrys it so it doesn't get lost. That man did not invest his money wisely and it was taken from him.So it is with Spiritual gifts. They are no good to us alone, only when we share them with others, then more is given.
See now?
Hi L,
But we first have to be reborn.
Good works then are the natural expression of God within us as Spirit.Hello all, I see things are already moving along quickly.
Laurel I am probably making a spider web out of a thread but I am not saying that in my trinity belief that the Holy Spirit, and the Father are seperate, but I am not saying they are the same either. A glass is half full therefore the other half is half empty; both statements are true about the glass, and it does not change the glass, or the composition of the glass, nor what is in the glass. They are just observations about the glass. In thessalonians Paul prays for our whole spirit, soul, and body to be held blameless till the coming of our Lord (Yashua) And again I repeat my comment about the word of God is living and active seperates soul from spirit joints from marrow. Just as our joints in the body have a different function so do our soul and spirit. I believe through scripture that there are properties assciated with the Holy Spirit that are diffent. For Instance you can say what you want about the father and the son but if you blaspheme the Holy Spirit; it is a one way ticket to hell, do not pass go, do not collect the gift of grace. Maybe this is the searing of the unblievers or what hebrews calls the recruicifying of christ. But whatever it is I do not want to be there because thier is no forgiveness after this. Before Christ the Holy Spirit came upon people but it did not reside with people untill after a believer is baptised. ( in reference to the other comments: this is baptism not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. and also that the sacrifices offered year after year and the blood of the animals could not bring about a clear conscience towards God.) Our spirit judges our thoughts and attitudes and His Spirit works through our spirit so that we can renew our minds and clear our consciences becoming new creations. It is quiet clear in corinthians that your spirit may be praising God but your mind be unfruitfull or not even aware of what your spirit is saying. Paul says he would rather speak few words with his mind aware for the edification of others than thousands of words in a toungue just simply praising God but not building up the body of believers. I could go on and on and on but the point is simply this even though there is one body there are many parts but they make up the one body. The Holy Spirit and God are one but it is the Holy Spirit who is sent to us as the comforter and the teacher of Gods perfect will. If God himself appeared would we not instantly be undone in our current state that is why we need a mediator a comforter and an intercessor. So clearly these are different assignments doing different jobs but moving towards the one and only purpose to reconcile the creation back to the creator. So I believe that they are not different but accomplish diffent tasks.chipwhite…. You brought up an interesting point about blaspheme , I have wondered about that in the past and studied to see if I could get it clearer in my mind. An the reason I think God cannot forgive it is because the Holy Spirit is the spirit (intellect ) or awareness of truth and therefore the person Knows and is aware and convicted of that truth he or she is dealing with, so how can God forgive it. If a person apsolutely Know's the truth and if he or she goes againt it and will not change even though there convenced of the truth who
can forgive it. The person stands self condemed . Therefore if a person speaks againt God and Jesus not under conviction of the Holy Spirit it can be forgiven Him, if once he or she comes to a conviction by Holy Spirit (the Spirit Of Truth) if they don't repent then they are being stubern and they will bear the consequence of it. Nearly everyone onece they are shown by God there wrong will change. But there may be a few who won't. Remember where God said that the childern could redeme there first born of there animales and Childern by offering up some appropiate offering, but notice when it cam to a donkey or mule what did God say, If you chose not to redeme it you shall break its neck. the mule or ass is a animal that is stubbern, God was showing he does not want a stubbern person who will not change when convicted by the Spirit of Truth. peace to you ..geneI have been touring around this site and I believe that there are alot of other believers led in alot of different directions. I think that this is wonderful and is truly necessary for anyone to pass from the milk to the meat of the word. To borrow a theme from your response I pray that where there is teaching to be done that I am humble enough to listen. But where there is sharing to be done that I am a clear enough vessel that the Spirit may work through me. Also where there is rebuking that needs to be done that I may be confident enough and spiritual enough to not be ashamed of what I have been led to believe. May the One True God be exalted by his creation through our sharing of witnessing and sharpening of one another on this site. Amen
Hi CW,
You say
” For Instance you can say what you want about the father and the son but if you blaspheme the Holy Spirit; “
To blaspheme the Holy Spirit is to blaspheme God.
To lie to the Spirit is to lie to God.Acts 5
” 3But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?4Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.”
God is not the Spirit because God is in heaven, where Jesus told us to pray to Him, but the Spirit is of God as the finger of God[Lk 11 cf mt 12] manifesting God in His creation.
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