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Nick,
Again, you dodge. The word is Messiah, savior, Christ. That, we can never be. Yes we can be like Yeshua in all ways but one: we cannot be Messiah. That, my friend, is the difference.
Nick,
Yep. But you still haven't addressed the original issue. Answer plainly: are you a messiah? You play around with your responses while avoiding this one question. Answer plainly.
Hi KJ,
Of course not-only a part of him.
Beware of false messiahs.Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the electNick,
Thanks. Took several posts, but you finally admitted where Yeshua was definitely different from us
.Hi KJ,
Not so different that we cannot follow him.
As he was filled with the Spirit of God so can our vessels be cleansed and filled to continue that work.2Tim 2
” 20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.21If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
Nick,
No, I must have the last word
. Hehe just kidding. Here is my point: Yeshua was and is Messiah, we are not. That difference is all we need. Case closed.Hi Kj,
Vine and branches.
He lives, through us.
As through Paul and the apostles the word has gone forth2Cor3
2Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:3Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
Vague, obscure, implied verses or strong, plain, and straightforward verses? You be the judge of which tells the real truth (with some emphasis to clarify):
Jhn 17:3 “This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You [the only true God] have sent.
1Cr 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus
Act 2:22 “Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know–
Hsa 11:9 I will not execute My fierce anger; I will not destroy Ephraim again. For I am God and not man, the Holy One in your midst, And I will not come in wrath.
Jhn 20:17 Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.' “
Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him.
1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Rom 8:17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.
Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Mar 13:32 “But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
Jhn 6:57 “As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me.
Jhn 6:65 And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.”
Col 1:3 We give thanks to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,
Mat 6:9 “Pray, then, in this way: 'Our Father who is in heaven, Hallowed be Your name.
Jhn 4:23 “But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
'Nuff said.
Nick,
Do you continue just to continue? The point was already made, the rest is just stuff already known
.kejonn…. Jesus said if we had the faith of a grain of mustard seed we (could) say unto that mountain be cast into the sea and it would obey.
what does that mean to you as reguard to what Jesus did as the massiah which only means the annointed by the way.kejonn….> there is only one annointed , person sent to restore mankind and That was Jesus,i have no problem with that, my problem is when that person by vertue of that word is used to seperate him from our likeness . I was only trying to show God can do anything through anyone and just because he chose to create Jesus for that purpose does not make him any different from us his brothers, or sisters . that was my point.
kejonn, I understand what you are saying, that although the Spirit of Messiah can be a part of us, we ourselves can not be the Messiah. Well said. I understand English and I agree with you.
Some people argue for the sake of arguing. Unfortunately those type of people seem Spiritually stunted in growth, for they can't get past the understanding part of an answer.Hello Acertainchap,
Just wanted make a little tweek in the Greek of John 1:1.
The word was with THE GOD and the word was God. The definite article (THE) is crucial in this verse.
Laurel,
I think as humans we can all argue unnecessarily from time to time. I don't get the argument about Yeshua being the only Messiah, but I know and that is what matters in my life.
Quote (kejonn @ July 18 2007,15:43) Gene, Hehe, all of this word play…name me another Biblical Messiah, and we can continue to discuss
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kejonn…> messiah…..in its simplest meanning is the annoiting the Jew's were looking for the person who would be the annointed one. Christ is often in the bible text translated to mean a person when it was refering to the holy spirit . my point is messiah denotes what was on the person Jesus just like the word Christ does and is more refelective of the Spirit and not the person. many word in the bible were used to try to push the devenity of Jesus as a God-man there are numerous alteration from the original texts. the scribes of the trinitarian idology by correcting the text trying to counter the adoptist point of view changed many texts. There were a group of Christians in the second century called the Adoptionist because they believed that Jesus was not devine but a full flesh and blood human being whom God had adopted to be his son and belived this took place at baptism, very much like what happens to us. and in order to supress this teaching later scribes changed the text . In one place as an example where is say's when Jesus was baptised ” thou art my son whom i am well pleased” this is a change of the original text and it have been proven by text scholars,It should read “this day i have begotten you” but in order to surpress the idea of adoption of Jesus the scribes change the text to read as it does now, giving a sense of devine to Jesus.so when you apply the spirit of God to be the person other the God the Father you are giving that person devinity. But at the same time your stealing from the Father some of his glory. remember Jesus said he could do nothing of him self. Messiah or Christ is all the activity of God the Father and not the indivual alone. Thats just my point of view….gene
Hi WJ,
I agree with nick on this one. Most of Christendom still hold on to and profess what t8 posted.
Hi Is 1:18,
The second theos distinguishes itself from the first Theos which is THE (definite article) God. Another way of saying this is that 'the word was with The Living True God and the word was also god.' Obviously this is paraphrased. The First Theos has the definite Greek article (the) to identify a specific individual. The second theos does not have the article and is therefore discriptive. This is why in alot of translations the word will be called 'Divine being or 'Godlike.'
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