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Donkey X Horse = Donkey ??
Donkey X Horse = Horse ??
Donkey X Horse = Mule !!Man X sons of God = Man ??
Man X sons of God = sons of God ??
Man X sons of God = Nephilim !!God X Man = God ??
God X Man = Man ??
God X Man = Messiah, monogenes Son, Yeshua !!!!!!!To all…..> there seams to be two camps where we come from, one say's JESUS PREXISTED and created our creation we live in and is very God Himself.
the other say's there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD ,and all things were created by Him and Him Alone, including Jesus and everything that exists, and He is NOT a triune God, But One God.This is the camp i am in.
….peace gene
Quote (kejonn @ July 18 2007,00:25) Donkey X Horse = Donkey ??
Donkey X Horse = Horse ??
Donkey X Horse = Mule !!Man X sons of God = Man ??
Man X sons of God = sons of God ??
Man X sons of God = Nephilim !!God X Man = God ??
God X Man = Man ??
God X Man = Messiah, monogenes Son, Yeshua !!!!!!!
Hi KJ,
So Christ was not really a man?Quote (kejonn @ July 18 2007,00:14) Here is another comparison for people: We, as believers are of the body of Christ. We are equal. Christ, part of that same body, is the head. If Yeshua is part of the body of Christ, are we then equal to him? No!
Yeshua said “I and the Father are one.” So they must both be God, right? Well, I just showed that we are one with Christ in the body, and that we are not equal to Christ. Why then can you assume that the Father and Yeshua are equal if we cannot assume equality with Yeshua?
Commons:
* Us, spirit and flesh — Yeshua, spirit and flesh — not equal? We are not firstborn of the Spirit.
* The Father, spirit alone, no flesh — Yeshua, spirit and flesh — not equal! His humanity marks the separation.
kejonn….equality has to be defined to what equality we are taking about. Jesus never said He was equal to the Father in fact he said just the oppisit, ” the Father is greater then me”. when it comes to his equality in a general sense.If we quote where Jesus said me and my Father are one that would seam to equal equality but equal in what is the question, to me it meant one in agreement, remember Jesus said he came not to gelorfy himself but to glorify the one who sent him. Jesus Whole life was about what the Father was doing so he obviously was one with the FAther. But being one with the Father does not make you equal with Him.
but we are equal with Christ Jesus in every sense except in authority and that was a special grant given to him by our Father because of what he did. Just as it say's ” because he poured out his soul unto death God has placed him over all. It's was becaused of what he did.The Father is taking no risk by granting Jesus this power because Jesus already proved he would die in odedience to Him, by demenstration of what he did.
and we are to be Just like Him in every way or why does it say until we come to the FULL measure of Christ.
and if Jesus prexistance was different, why did Paul call him the second (MAN) Adam.
we must see Jesus just as we seen one another, this gives us great HOPE for our futures and encourages us because what The Father did for our total and real brother he can do for us.
thanks
Thanks gene,
KJ,
You suggest Christ is a God/man superhybrid?
Of course Adam himself was a made from dirt and the breath of God and yet was a man.
I suggest if God says Christ was a man we should believe Him and not develop our own theories.This is how Christ is shown in Is 53
” 1Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
2For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. “
Speaking of hybridisation the mule is stronger than the horse but on the downside is sterile, stubborn, much less speedy and lacks beauty.
Christ was like to us because God is fair and He says we can follow him.
Nick…..To me the Father has sealed all avenues of excusses of by bringing Jesus into existance through flesh just like us
it leaves us no excusses like, well Father Jesus had an advantage over us so You really can't expect the same from us as you did Jesus. No once we have the holy spirit and there by being YOKED to the Father wen have No excuse not to walk as he walked. It's the same God who is with Jesus who is with us also.when people are feed the false doctrine of the trinity and if they believe it they have pushed Jesus away from themselves by thinking He was the eternal GOD . And really was not exactly like us, and they lose Hope in what God for him He will do for us.
Hi Gene,
Certainly the origins of the Christ cause many to get lost in speculative theories.
That does not make those origins untrue.nick……my point is the damage it does in the hearts and minds of people who cannot truley relate with Jesus on a one to one equal level. I see Jesus as an equal brother who our Father placed over us. He is the elder brother in the Family and is in no why different then me except in authority and that authoriy is given him by our Father, so i will listen to him for that very reason, he show's us what the Father expect's of us.
i do not push Jesus away from my likeness in any way.as he is so am i . we both Have one Father, we both are partakers of One spirit, we both have eternal destinies, we both came into existence by flesh & blood, we both are called son of God. we are the Family of our Father who is the One and Only God…..thats just the way i see it .Hi gene,
Certainly it is best to see Christ as a man we can follow. Maturity should enable us to look back and fully grasp his origins as well.Nick,
Not “superman”, but the only man who could be Messiah. To me, that was the result of the Holy Spirit and Mary: Messiah. Nothing in my post said anything about being supernatural, just showing he is not God, nor ordinary man. He is the only one who die for our sins. If you don't find that extraordinary, can't help ya
.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 18 2007,10:10) nick……my point is the damage it does in the hearts and minds of people who cannot truley relate with Jesus on a one to one equal level. I see Jesus as an equal brother who our Father placed over us. He is the elder brother in the Family and is in no why different then me except in authority and that authoriy is given him by our Father, so i will listen to him for that very reason, he show's us what the Father expect's of us.
i do not push Jesus away from my likeness in any way.as he is so am i . we both Have one Father, we both are partakers of One spirit, we both have eternal destinies, we both came into existence by flesh & blood, we both are called son of God. we are the Family of our Father who is the One and Only God…..thats just the way i see it .
I think God always intended to have sons that would be brothers to his only begotten. So if Christ existed as the first, then we were to follow. He is the vine and we are the branches.But if he didn't exist before being conceived in the womb of Mary then the branches came first and then the vine.
Jesus is after all the root and offspring of David. Not just the offspring.
t8…..whats meant by root and offspring as i see it is that the offspring came from the root, and Jesus was from that same root as David and that root was God. remember David said God forknow Him even putting the words in his mouth before he was Born. Jesus was from that same rootstock and also he was an offspring of David too.
and t8 the word should be render unique not only because there are many begotten son of God .
Nick,
Do you find that the Messiah is an ordinary man? If so, we could all be messiahs. I think that is why you continue to question.
Hi KJ,
Are you not an expression of an aspect of Christ now ?
We are meant to be each fulfilling a role in the body
enlivened and empowered by the same Spirit that filled Christ.Nick,
You dodge my friend. Are you a messiah? Do you save others or merely plant a seed? This is where you and Yeshua part ways. He is the Messiah, we can never be.Hi KJ,
Not so.
Paul said in Gal 2
” 20I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. “The same Spirit can express the same powers now through you if you are in Christ.
Indeed as Jn 14 says
“John 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.”You are meant to be as Christ on earth.
2 Corinthians 2:15
For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:
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