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One point about the Pharisees and Saducees, they did something that others on here are doing. But I guess they could be right at least one time, hmm?
John 10:33 – The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.”
Seems we still have some Pharisees and Saducees running around today, eh?
to all….>we are justified to life by God the Father through Jesus Christ it was God's plan to save us, and we are santified (set apart) by the Holy Spirit,. santification does mean to set apart. Laurel was just usein the meanning of the word that's all and she is right.
thanks……gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2007,23:26) Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 13 2007,19:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2007,09:14) Hi ,
Here is the trinity circular use of LOGIC in all it's glory“1. In John 20:28 Thomas declared Yeshua to be his Lord and God.
2. A Jewish monotheist has only ONE personal God, namely YHWH.
3. It's therefore implausible to think that Thomas had acquired another God.
4. So Yeshua must be true God.”
So simplistic.
So false.
It's easy to throw around ad hominems in order to avoid the argument. Which point is incorrect, and why?
Hi Is.1.18
It is because it is weakly held together only by LOGIC
not by revealed truth.
Which point is weak?Quote (kejonn @ July 14 2007,08:12) So, what exactly does Yeshua mean when he says “I am”? Let's do a little study overview Matt 16:15-17 – He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
This was a question, not a statement.Quote Matt 14:61-62 – But He kept silent and did not answer. Again the high priest was questioning Him, and saying to Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?” And Jesus said, “I am; and you shall see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING WITH THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN.”
Yeshua was answering a question.Quote Luke 22:70 – And they all said, “Are You the Son of God, then?” And He said to them, “Yes, I am.”
Answering a question…Quote John 6:48 – “I am the bread of life.”
There is a predicate in this statement.Quote John 8:12 – Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, “I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life.”
There is a predicate in this statement.Quote John 10:7-9 – So Jesus said to them again, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
There is a predicate in this statement.Quote John 11:25-27 – Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?” She said to Him, “Yes, Lord; I have believed that You are the Christ, the Son of God, even He who comes into the world.”
Predicates….Quote John 13:13 – “You call Me Teacher and Lord; and you are right, for so I am.”
The predicates are inferred…..Quote John 14:6 – Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
Predicates….Quote John 15:1 – “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.”
Predicate.Quote John 18:5 – They answered Him, “Jesus the Nazarene.” He said to them, “I am He.” And Judas also, who was betraying Him, was standing with them.
Answering question….Predicate is inferred….In John 8:58 there is no predicate, Yeshua is making a statement (and not asking/answering a question) in which He contrasts His existence with Abraham's – “Before Abraham was, I am“….So there is no comparison between the verses you cited and John 8:58.
Food for thought:
http://www.aomin.org/EGO.html
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 12 2007,16:35) Hi gene,
We are justified by the completed works of Christ as far as the Law is concerned and we who are in him inherit because of him. Now we rest in the Spirit and let God show us what He means. What we must not do is enter the deception that we must strive to please God unto salvation by works as that is not of faith, and what is not of faith is of sin.
Nick….> we are truly justified to have eternal life through Jesus, but to think thats all that there is , is foolish thinking didnt Jesus say, not all that say unto me lord,lord will enter the kingdom, BUT he that DOES the Will of my Father.and what is the will of God , that we Keep his commandments.
remember when the rich young ruler ask Jesus what must I do. what was the answer, (Keep the comandments) and he even went on to list some of them.
and again except you righteousness exceed the righteousness of the scribes ans pharassies you shall in no wise inter the Kingdom of God,.
the ones in Rev., who were there at the throne of God, it was said of them they had the testamony of Moses and Jesus and Keep the commandments of God.
and that includes the sabbath as well as the other nine commandments.
if we have the Spirit of the Father in us we will desire to keep all of his commandments and they are not greivios as John said.
God's sacrifice His lamb (Jesus) redeemed us back to him, but does not change the Fathers requirements of us. the commandments are still in effect and always will be, they express the very Heart of our Heavenly Father, they will never change.
if jesus were here he would tell you the same thing.
peace …..gene.
Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 13 2007,19:18) Quote (IM4Truth @ July 13 2007,11:31) Nick You are right, We cannot be Brothers of Jesus, if one believes in the trinity. Just one more prove that the trinity doctrine is false.
Prove all things
Mrs.IM4TRuth
Mrs.IM4Truth,
I have a question for you…..Do you have the Spirit of Jesus in you? You might want to think carefully before you answer.
Mrs IM4Truth,
I see you are currently online. Have you see this post? What is your answer?Laurel! I was never forced to do anything. where do you get that Idea from? As far as being A Gentile! Did not Paul go to the Gentiles and they became Christians? Gentiles simply means that I am not a Jew! Are you a Jew? Yes, I know, you are a spiritual Israelite. I heard that before, from a Jehovah Witness. Is that were you keep the Feasts with? Is that the only answer to all of the scriptures that I gave you? Why would I want to go back and believe what you believe, I was there before, but the Church never forced anybody. You could leave anytime you wanted. If that is what you meant that I was forced into doing something. You don't have to be sorry for me. I feel just fine, with Gods Holy Spirit guiding me.
I wish everybody would stop Labeling others on this Forum, you would be so much better of, and more Christ like.
In Christian Love Mrs. IM4TruthQuote I feel just fine, with Gods Holy Spirit guiding me.
Does the Spirit of Jesus guide you MrsIM4Truth?Is1:18 Yes, Is1:18 I have thought very carefully and studied Scriptures for 29 years now. I believe that there is only one Spirit, One Holy Spirit
Eph.4:4 There is only one body and one Spirit,just as you were called in one hope in your calling,
verse 5 ONE GOD AND FATHER OF US ALL, WHO IS ABOVE ALL, AND THROUGH ALL AND IN US ALL
I know what John says, but I don't know if it was Nick or somebody else that does not believe in the trinity Doctrine that said it was added. I believe that. It is still being done in the modern version of the Bible. Why, because so many have questioned that Doctrine and left Churches that teach that Doctrine. But I don't understand why you are asking me? There are others that have given you good answers. The Holy Spirit is in Jesus and in me, since I was Baptized and received the Holy Spirit and that is what combines all to God the Father but through Jesus Christ who is our Mediator we can go directly to the Throne of God Our Heavenly Father. Through us and in us all. The problem that so many disagree is we all learn at different levels and God is not given the truth to all at this time. That will change in the Millenium. I cant wait. All will agree then.
Peace Mrs.Im4TruthMrsIM4truth,
I'm not sure how that answers my question.Do you have the Spirit of Christ in you? A simple 'yes' or 'no' will do…..
Do you?
Is1:18 Does the Spirit of Jesus guide me? It is the Spirit Of the Father, were do you get that I said the Spirit of Jesus.
Quote (IM4Truth @ July 14 2007,10:54) Is1:18 Does the Spirit of Jesus guide me? It is the Spirit Of the Father, were do you get that I said the Spirit of Jesus.
You didn't say it. But scripture does….Here are some scriptures:
Acts 16:7
7and after they came to Mysia, they were trying to go into Bithynia, and the Spirit of Jesus did not permit them;Romans 8:10
10If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.Galatians 4:6
6Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”2 Corinthians 3:16-18
16but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.2 Corinthians 13:5
5Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you–unless indeed you fail the test?Ephesians 3:17
17so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; and that you, being rooted and grounded in love,Colossians 1:27
27to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.Colossians 3:11
11a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all.Romans 8:9-10
9However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. 10 if Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.How do you reconcile these (and John 14:23) with Eph 4:6?
Is1:18 1 Corinth. 2:12 Now we have receives not received the spirit of the world, but the spirit of God, that we might know the things that have freely given to us by God.
Peace Mrs.IM4TruthQuote (IM4Truth @ July 14 2007,11:12) Is1:18 1 Corinth. 2:12 Now we have receives not received the spirit of the world, but the spirit of God, that we might know the things that have freely given to us by God.
Peace Mrs.IM4Truth
Interesting. Are you inferring that the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ are synonymous?Quote Do you have the Spirit of Christ in you? A simple 'yes' or 'no' will do…..
I still have not had an answer from you to this question….isa1:18….> your deception is obvious you can't figure our that the spirit of Christ means the annoting of God that was in Jesus . Christ is chrestos or annointing in all and through all, same as God in all and through all. you have been blinded by trinitarian idologies. Christ means the annoting not the Person Jesus. think about it. gene
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