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I used to have a teacher that frequently said: “my god man.”
I know this isn't really related, but just out of curiosity, I'm wondering when people began saying: “my god.”
Mr Steve
Quote Now the 2nd scripture per your request is John 20:28. This is Thomas stating to the Christ, “My Lord and my God.” Thomas stated that Christ was his Lord and his God. Thomas did not say, “the Lord God”. He was merely recognizing Christ as his personal Lord and his personal God. Hi Mr Steve. May I ask you a question?
Is God your personal Lord and God?
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, My Lord and my God!
IS8 When Thomas said in John 20:28 “My Lord and my God” I think He was referring to Christ being our King and God. I believe that God is like a Family Name. YHWH being above all other and Jesus being our King and our Savior. Through Him I pray and ask our Heavenly Father YHWH for forgiveness of my Sins. You ask which point I think is incorrect. I would say No. 3. Thank you
Bless you Mrs,IM4TruthIam4 gave an insightful and true explanation. We can only worship the Father through the Son. When I see the Messiah one day, I'm sure my strength would fail me and I too will fall at His feet, because He has all my respect and in awe I would be.
The Bible was written for the true believers, the rest will deceive themselves through misinterpretation.
It is so very important that before you ever read a page of it to ask our Father in heaven for understanding, in His Name's sake, Y'shua Messiah, our Mediator.Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 12 2007,18:53) Quote (IM4Truth @ July 12 2007,00:55) IS8 I think We do only have one HEAVENLY FATHER WHO IS … (edit l)
Peace Mrs.IM4Truth
Okay….But my assertion still stands.
1. In John 20:28 Thomas declared Yeshua to be his Lord and God.
2. A Jewish monotheist has only ONE personal God, namely YHWH.
3. It's therefore implausible to think that Thomas had acquired another God.
4. So Yeshua must be true God.
Which of the above points is incorrect in your opinion?
Blessings
Your questions themselves are misleading, so you are saying to choose the lesser of two evils here. Question 3 is an oxymoron Biblically speaking. Implausable is not a word that can be used to describe anything in Scripture, unless your describing Satan. The word plausable alone means, seems like or appears to be. Scripture does not deal in the GREY.Sorry. Just pointing out some bad English usage.
This is for all you of the “trinitarian” doctrine.
There are NOT three persons. The Spirit can never act on it's own it is a power that comes from the Father and works according to His will.
We can say My Lord, My Elohim, because Elohim refers to the Father and includes His Spirit which is in Messiah.Here is a picture you may be able to grasp, since you can never define the trinity, since it is non-existant.
An artist paints with a brush and the brush is visible, as well the paint and canvas. Elohim paints with His Spirit, sometimes the paint is visible ie: the blood of Messiah, sometimes not, sometimes the canvas is visible ie: the blue of the sky, the dark of night, sometimes not. Sometimes the brush is visible ie:Messiah, Scripture, lightning, birds, trees, mountains; sometimes the brush is not visible ie: wisdom, wind, love, joy.
It's ok not to understand, as long as we all keep trying. He knows our hearts.Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 12 2007,18:53) Okay…. But my assertion still stands.
1. In John 20:28 Thomas declared Yeshua to be his Lord and God.
2. A Jewish monotheist has only ONE personal God, namely YHWH.
3. It's therefore implausible to think that Thomas had acquired another God.
4. So Yeshua must be true God.
Which of the above points is incorrect in your opinion?
Blessings
Sorry to “butt in” on a post between 2 others, but I had a plausible answer and some further questions from you.All throughout the NT, we see verses that speak of Yeshua being the “image of the invisible God” (image is a likeness or reproduction of form) and Yeshua saying “I and the Father are one”. Yet the Bible also speaks of being one with his body, the church.
As I asserted earlier, there was a goal to Yeshua's mission else the story would have merely been about his death, burial, and resurrection. This goal was to provide evidence that he was the Messiah for all people to see and experience (and record for us) but to also reveal God as never before.
SIDE NOTE: On the above statement, take a moment to go back and read the Nicene Creed, the one piece of extra-biblical doctrine that firmly established the idea of trinity. Note that it leaves out Yeshua's mission on earth and instead neatly summarizes him by going from birth directly to death and resurrection. It is as if the 33 or so years he spent among us mattered not, it was only about the death, burial and ressurection. This summarily degrades Yeshua's worth as our perfect role-model and makes him only our savior. He is both, and he is Lord. But you can't know Yeshua's life without, well, knowing Yeshua's life! Now, back on track.
Just as you and I are to pattern our lives after Yeshua (“Christian” simply means “Christlike”) because he was a man as we are, Yeshua patterned his life after his role-model, the Father. He was able to do this through his by his spiritual birth by the Holy Spirit and his anointing on the day of his baptism. Because he was not born of this world's spirit due to his Holy Spirit paternal side. I think we can see this by reading his communication with Nicodemus in John 3.
1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews;
2 this man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”
3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?”
5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 “Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
Yes, Yeshua was born of the flesh on his mother's side but of the Spirit on his Father's. This is where the allegory of rebirth comes in, and it was Yeshua, the only one born of the Spirit from initial conception, who could speak of this. He was saying that we need to be reborn as he was born so that the spirit of the ruler of this world could be replaced with the Spirit of God. Thus, we are reborn.
John went out of his way to show that Yeshua was the expression of God, the revealer of God. He started this from the opening verse by referring to pre-earth Yeshua as the Word. That is why John focused on less of his miracles and more of what he communicated to others. John more effectively showed Yeshua's character than the other Gospels. Matthew, Mark, and Luke were like articles, mostly reporting on his actions and sermons. John was a biography, revealing the character and love of Yeshua, who was sent to reveal the character and love of his Father. And then he showed the true love of the Father by dying on the cruel cross of Calvary. “No greater love”.
Put yourself back into 1st century shoes. We don't have much record of God revealing Himself in any discernible way in that time period, not like He did through His prophets, judges and kings of the OT. The people of this time were going about their everyday lives, with those who were supposed to represent God caught up in power, self-righteousness, pride, and haughtiness. Were these Pharisees and Sadducees true representatives of God? Not from what we see when Yeshua walked among them. It was time for the people to once more be delivered, but this time it would be for good, and would be for all nations, the final fruition of the promise given to Abraham thousands of years earlier (Gen 22:18). And God wanted to firmly plant into the minds and hearts of people what he was all about. He accomplished this through his only begotten Son, Yeshua.
Imagine being one of Yeshua's Apostles, sharing intimate communication with the “image of the invisible God”, the Son of God, the Messiah. Walking with him, serving with him, seeing him wash your feet, watching him change people's lives forever. Who did Peter say he was?
Now imagine his death. It was then end of the road for the Apostles. They had not understood what his death signified though he constantly told them. They did not even know he would be raised! Many had already begun to their former lives. Peter had gone fishing, had gone back to his old vocation. And he saw the empty tomb! Little did he know that the story was not over!
After all of this time together, of seeing him and coming to know him and love him, after seeing him then die, and then seeing his resurrected body, would it be out of the question for one who had never seen the invisible God to exclaim to the only revelation of God in his life “My Lord and My God!”?
Just as the OT people had come to know God through signs, wonders, his chosen representatives, and the “word of the LORD”, so did the 1st century Jews through all of these things in one package: Yeshua. And in this Son of God, Son of Man, they experienced the revelation of God as never before!
But now I must in turn ask you this. If the exclamation by Thomas was so significant, so earth-shattering, why was it not recorded anywhere else? Why did Thomas not fall on his face in the presence of Yeshua if he was truly God? Abraham did so in the presence of God, was Thomas greater than he?
Yeshua stayed amongst his people for 40 days before he ascended to heaven. Why did Peter not call him “My God”? Why did the Beloved Disciple not call him “My God”? Why did none of the other Apostles call him “My God”? Was Thomas the only enlightened one, or are we making something more out of this exclamation by Thomas than even the Apostles did themselves?
Why did Yeshua never make it clear that he was God, even after the resurrection? What could anyone do to him at that point? Forty days among the Apostles and other disciples after his resurrection, and still no claim of being God. Does this not concern you if he is indeed who you say he is?
To me, the biggest problem with the Trinity is that it devalues God. It makes him one God with three “faces”. It confuses people as to which “face” they are to worship. Yes, there are those that worshipped Yeshua, but did he ever call for his worship? In fact, he made a very upfront statement that should rock you to your co
re if you ever decide that worship is to go to YeshuaJohn 4:23 – “But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Read those words and let them sink in. This is Yeshua speaking, not another man. The Son of God told the woman at the well that true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth. He did not say “worship God” so you had some wiggle room. He said “the Father”. No ifs, ands, or buts. Are you a true worshiper? Do what Yeshua says, not what you think Thomas has done.
kejonn,
Wow! That's all I can say. I am soooo happy that you recognize that it is His life that we must seek, for without the life He lead the rest would mean nothing. If we do not look at His life then we end up worshipping a dead body on a crucifix. Now let's tell that to the rest of the world!
The doctrine of the trinity limits God to three. God the Father is One, Jesus is One, the Holy Spirit is One, and I am one. I am Jesus' little brother, and all that believe in Him are His little brothers and little sisters. If my brother is God, and He is, then I too am god. See Psalms 82:6-7. God is not limited to a trinity, God in infinate. If my Father is God, and I am His son, then I am god. Jesus asked in John 17 that we be one, even as He and the Father are one.
MichaelQuote (Laurel @ July 13 2007,02:32) This is for all you of the “trinitarian” doctrine.
There are NOT three persons. The Spirit can never act on it's own it is a power that comes from the Father and works according to His will.
We can say My Lord, My Elohim, because Elohim refers to the Father and includes His Spirit which is in Messiah.Here is a picture you may be able to grasp, since you can never define the trinity, since it is non-existant.
An artist paints with a brush and the brush is visible, as well the paint and canvas. Elohim paints with His Spirit, sometimes the paint is visible ie: the blood of Messiah, sometimes not, sometimes the canvas is visible ie: the blue of the sky, the dark of night, sometimes not. Sometimes the brush is visible ie:Messiah, Scripture, lightning, birds, trees, mountains; sometimes the brush is not visible ie: wisdom, wind, love, joy.
It's ok not to understand, as long as we all keep trying. He knows our hearts.
laruel..> your words that the Holy Spirit and the Father God are one and the same and they were in Jesus is right, Just as the spirit who is God can be in us also. this is a true saying.blessing and peace……gene
Quote (IM4Truth @ July 13 2007,01:55) IS8 When Thomas said in John 20:28 “My Lord and my God” I think He was referring to Christ being our King and God. I believe that God is like a Family Name. YHWH being above all other and Jesus being our King and our Savior. Through Him I pray and ask our Heavenly Father YHWH for forgiveness of my Sins. You ask which point I think is incorrect. I would say No. 3. Thank you
Bless you Mrs,IM4Truth
Im4If you pray through a being that is not God then you are saying God has now created an image that we are to pray to!
This totally violates the first and second commandment!
God has not changed his mind and introduced an anointed prophet or king or man that we should now put before him!
This is why Jesus is both God and man. The Word/God came in the flesh and paid the price which “no man” could do!
He is the second Adam “The Lord from heaven”!
John 20:28 is one of many OT and NT scriptures that point to Jesus being YWHW in the flesh!
The problem that you have is Thomas didnt say…
“MY LORD AND MY FATHER”, did he?
Listen again…
Jn 20:
28 And Thomas answered and *said unto him*, My Lord and my God.This passage seems to be so distressing to the Unitarians and Henotheist and Arians.
If I was one I would be stressed to.
How do you explain these contradictions?
Why not start to believe the scriptures for what they say my friend!
You critisize us for having a Trinitarian faith.
We back our faith up with scriptures without the usual twisting and resting and ignoring them.
Jn 1:1, Math 28:19, John 20:28, Acts 20:28, Hebrews 1:8, 1 Tim 1:1 1 Jn 5:20, are just a few scriptures that support the deity of Jesus.
The Apostle John who witnessed Thomas acclamation toward Jesus also recorded Jn 1:1 and 1 Jn 5:20.
You should let go of your “Unitarian” belief and trust the Spirit of truth to open the scriptures to shew you all things concerning himself…Jesus the Word/God who came in the flesh, the Lord from heaven, YHWH who was pierced according to Zech 12:10 and Jn 19:37.
Have you read these proof text?…
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;t=1278
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;t=1311
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;t=1375
Can you prove by scriptures that Jesus is not God?
Can you prove that the Trinitarian faith is false by scripture?
Please enlighten us my friend with your biblical proof!
So far all we have heard is “Trinity is False” Trinity is wrong” Trinity is of the whore” etc.
Where is the proof?
Sorry, I need to rewrite that.
If you believe the trinity doctrine, the Spirit is not growing in you, and may not even be in you at all. It is possible to lose it if you do not grow in it. Before you go around teaching, like the wolves do, try and get it right.It is also possible to think the Spirit is in you when it is not. How will you know for sure?
If you keep His commands ALL of them, then you know for sure that the Spirit is in you, and you are His. Do you keep the Sabbath or is it ok to do whatever feels good, are you blessed with the “other grace?”
John 14:21, John 15:10 and,
1Jo 2:3 And hereby, we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.WJ,
If you deny the power of the Set-apart Spirit, and worship the dead on the cross, you are worshipping an idol.
Big difference from recognizing that Elohim was made manifest in the Son, who is our Mediator.Quote (Laurel @ July 13 2007,02:18) Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 12 2007,18:53) Quote (IM4Truth @ July 12 2007,00:55) IS8 I think We do only have one HEAVENLY FATHER WHO IS … (edit l)
Peace Mrs.IM4Truth
Okay….But my assertion still stands.
1. In John 20:28 Thomas declared Yeshua to be his Lord and God.
2. A Jewish monotheist has only ONE personal God, namely YHWH.
3. It's therefore implausible to think that Thomas had acquired another God.
4. So Yeshua must be true God.
Which of the above points is incorrect in your opinion?
Blessings
Your questions themselves are misleading, so you are saying to choose the lesser of two evils here. Question 3 is an oxymoron Biblically speaking. Implausable is not a word that can be used to describe anything in Scripture, unless your describing Satan. The word plausable alone means, seems like or appears to be. Scripture does not deal in the GREY.Sorry. Just pointing out some bad English usage.
LExactly. Scripture does not deal in the grey.
So are you saying that all scripture is ambiguous?
There is nothing grey nor ambiguous about Jn 20:28!
If you pray through a being that is not God then you are saying God has now created an image that we are to pray to!
This totally violates the first and second commandment!
God has not changed his mind and introduced an anointed prophet or king or man that we should now put before him!
This is why Jesus is both God and man. The Word/God came in the flesh and paid the price which “no man” could do!
He is the second Adam “The Lord from heaven”!
John 20:28 is one of many OT and NT scriptures that point to Jesus being YWHW in the flesh!
The problem that you have is Thomas didnt say…
“MY LORD AND MY FATHER”, did he?
Listen again…
Jn 20:
28 And Thomas answered and *said unto him*, My Lord and my God.This passage seems to be so distressing to the Unitarians and Henotheist and Arians.
If I was one I would be stressed to.
How do you explain these contradictions?
Why not start to believe the scriptures for what they say my friend!
You critisize us for having a Trinitarian faith.
We back our faith up with scriptures without the usual twisting and resting and ignoring them.
Jn 1:1, Math 28:19, John 20:28, Acts 20:28, Hebrews 1:8, 1 Tim 1:1 1 Jn 5:20, are just a few scriptures that support the deity of Jesus.
The Apostle John who witnessed Thomas acclamation toward Jesus also recorded Jn 1:1 and 1 Jn 5:20.
You should let go of your “Unitarian” belief and trust the Spirit of truth to open the scriptures to shew you all things concerning himself…Jesus the Word/God who came in the flesh, the Lord from heaven, YHWH who was pierced according to Zech 12:10 and Jn 19:37.
Have you read these proof text?…
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;t=1278
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;t=1311
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;t=1375
Can you prove by scriptures that Jesus is not God?
Can you prove that the Trinitarian faith is false by scripture?
Please enlighten us my friend with your biblical proof!
So far all we have heard is “Trinity is False” Trinity is wrong” Trinity is of the whore” etc.
Where is the proof?
You say…
Quote
If you believe the Trinity doctrine the Spirit is not in you and you are not His.Do you now make yourself God over us and the judge of our hearts?
Lk 6:37
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:Quote (kejonn @ July 13 2007,02:48) Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 12 2007,18:53) Okay…. But my assertion still stands.
1. In John 20:28 Thomas declared Yeshua to be his Lord and God.
2. A Jewish monotheist has only ONE personal God, namely YHWH.
3. It's therefore implausible to think that Thomas had acquired another God.
4. So Yeshua must be true God.
Which of the above points is incorrect in your opinion?
Blessings
Sorry to “butt in” on a post between 2 others, but I had a plausible answer and some further questions from you.All throughout the NT, we see verses that speak of Yeshua being the “image of the invisible God” (image is a likeness or reproduction of form) and Yeshua saying “I and the Father are one”. Yet the Bible also speaks of being one with his body, the church.
As I asserted earlier, there was a goal to Yeshua's mission else the story would have merely been about his death, burial, and resurrection. This goal was to provide evidence that he was the Messiah for all people to see and experience (and record for us) but to also reveal God as never before.
SIDE NOTE: On the above statement, take a moment to go back and read the Nicene Creed, the one piece of extra-biblical doctrine that firmly established the idea of trinity. Note that it leaves out Yeshua's mission on earth and instead neatly summarizes him by going from birth directly to death and resurrection. It is as if the 33 or so years he spent among us mattered not, it was only about the death, burial and ressurection. This summarily degrades Yeshua's worth as our perfect role-model and makes him only our savior. He is both, and he is Lord. But you can't know Yeshua's life without, well, knowing Yeshua's life! Now, back on track.
Just as you and I are to pattern our lives after Yeshua (“Christian” simply means “Christlike”) because he was a man as we are, Yeshua patterned his life after his role-model, the Father. He was able to do this through his by his spiritual birth by the Holy Spirit and his anointing on the day of his baptism. Because he was not born of this world's spirit due to his Holy Spirit paternal side. I think we can see this by reading his communication with Nicodemus in John 3.
1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews;
2 this man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”
3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?”
5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 “Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
Yes, Yeshua was born of the flesh on his mother's side but of the Spirit on his Father's. This is where the allegory of rebirth comes in, and it was Yeshua, the only one born of the Spirit from initial conception, who could speak of this. He was saying that we need to be reborn as he was born so that the spirit of the ruler of this world could be replaced with the Spirit of God. Thus, we are reborn.
John went out of his way to show that Yeshua was the expression of God, the revealer of God. He started this from the opening verse by referring to pre-earth Yeshua as the Word. That is why John focused on less of his miracles and more of what he communicated to others. John more effectively showed Yeshua's character than the other Gospels. Matthew, Mark, and Luke were like articles, mostly reporting on his actions and sermons. John was a biography, revealing the character and love of Yeshua, who was sent to reveal the character and love of his Father. And then he showed the true love of the Father by dying on the cruel cross of Calvary. “No greater love”.
Put yourself back into 1st century shoes. We don't have much record of God revealing Himself in any discernible way in that time period, not like He did through His prophets, judges and kings of the OT. The people of this time were going about their everyday lives, with those who were supposed to represent God caught up in power, self-righteousness, pride, and haughtiness. Were these Pharisees and Sadducees true representatives of God? Not from what we see when Yeshua walked among them. It was time for the people to once more be delivered, but this time it would be for good, and would be for all nations, the final fruition of the promise given to Abraham thousands of years earlier (Gen 22:18). And God wanted to firmly plant into the minds and hearts of people what he was all about. He accomplished this through his only begotten Son, Yeshua.
Imagine being one of Yeshua's Apostles, sharing intimate communication with the “image of the invisible God”, the Son of God, the Messiah. Walking with him, serving with him, seeing him wash your feet, watching him change people's lives forever. Who did Peter say he was?
Now imagine his death. It was then end of the road for the Apostles. They had not understood what his death signified though he constantly told them. They did not even know he would be raised! Many had already begun to their former lives. Peter had gone fishing, had gone back to his old vocation. And he saw the empty tomb! Little did he know that the story was not over!
After all of this time together, of seeing him and coming to know him and love him, after seeing him then die, and then seeing his resurrected body, would it be out of the question for one who had never seen the invisible God to exclaim to the only revelation of God in his life “My Lord and My God!”?
Just as the OT people had come to know God through signs, wonders, his chosen representatives, and the “word of the LORD”, so did the 1st century Jews through all of these things in one package: Yeshua. And in this Son of God, Son of Man, they experienced the revelation of God as never before!
But now I must in turn ask you this. If the exclamation by Thomas was so significant, so earth-shattering, why was it not recorded anywhere else? Why did Thomas not fall on his face in the presence of Yeshua if he was truly God? Abraham did so in the presence of God, was Thomas greater than he?
Yeshua stayed amongst his people for 40 days before he ascended to heaven. Why did Peter not call him “My God”? Why did the Beloved Disciple not call him “My God”? Why did none of the other Apostles call him “My God”? Was Thomas the only enlightened one, or are we making something more out of this exclamation by Thomas than even the Apostles did themselves?
Why did Yeshua never make it clear that he was God, even after the resurrection? What could anyone do to him at that point? Forty days among the Apostles and other disciples after his resurrection, and still no claim of being God. Does this not concern you if he is indeed who you say he is?
To me, the biggest problem with the Trinity is that it devalues God. It makes him one God with three “faces
“. It confuses people as to which “face” they are to worship. Yes, there are those that worshipped Yeshua, but did he ever call for his worship? In fact, he made a very upfront statement that should rock you to your core if you ever decide that worship is to go to YeshuaJohn 4:23 – “But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Read those words and let them sink in. This is Yeshua speaking, not another man. The Son of God told the woman at the well that true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth. He did not say “worship God” so you had some wiggle room. He said “the Father”. No ifs, ands, or buts. Are you a true worshiper? Do what Yeshua says, not what you think Thomas has done.
Kejonn……I couldn't have said it better myself, it's about worshiping the Father, the same God, Jesus worshiped your sound word's are the truth.peace to you………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 12 2007,16:11) kenrch & Im4truth…..> I think i might have somthing that might resolve so of the issues of the Law. i use to get somewhat comfussed when i would read some of Paul's writting about the subject let me explain.
on the one hand Paul say's by works of the law shall no flesh be justified before God. and again whosoever is under the law is under a curse.plus other scriptures.
On the other hand he say's, do we then nulify the law, God forbid we establish it.
this is a counterdiction right, so there must be somthing wrong. and there is but it is easly solved.
the translators added the definite article (the) in places where it shoud not be. and good Greek lnterlinear will show you where this happened. now lets read it again where the definite articles improperly placed are taken out.
Paul say's by works of law shall no flesh be Justified before God. why? because law means (forced compliance) that's what law is .in simple language Paul was saying, being forced to obey (the law )i.e.ten commandments through workings of law (forced compliance)will not justify us before God , why because your being forced to keep them.
he was not talking about should we or should we not keep the Law (ten commandments) he was talking about how we keep them. get a GreeK Interlinear and check it out.
the love of God poured out into our hearts gives us the ability to properly keep the law (the commandments) of God and that way does justify us before God.
grace and peace to you both ……gene
2Pe 3:15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
2Pe 3:16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
2Pe 3:17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.Even in their time Peter says Paul's letters are hard to understand. Why? Because Paul was speaking of two different laws, the Law of God and the law of Moses or the law that Christ fulfilled.
1Co 9:20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law.
1Co 9:21 To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.Paul kept God's Law but was under the law of Christ. The law of Christ is Jesus' testamony. He fulfilled the sacrifical law the law that is in verse 20.
So I am under the law of Christ believing that He fulfilled the sacrifical law.
IHN&L,
Ken
Scripture is black and white. There is no grey area except for the discription os Satan who is the master of deception. If you do not see a crystal clear picture when you read Scripture, you are on the other side of grace.
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