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Mr.Steve….You are right if Thomas was saying Jesus was God, he would have simply said (my Lord God), he was simple expressing the presents of Both Jesus and God the Father who was indwelling Jesus., but because God indwells us dosent make us God's.and make us him does it. trinitarians who have been decieved into the that Jesus is Almighty God,are unable to understand this simple truth.
hang on to what you have………….gene
Cult! I have just one Question for you! If Christ was eternal and that is what God is, right? Then how did He Die on the Cross? Once you have Deity you are always, which He is now, but not when He was Man here on Earth. Deity cannot Die. And tell me were is your Prove that Jesus put His Deity aside to become Man? Not only that if you believe that God is a title, it is so much easier to understand. We know that the Fathers name is YHWH and His Son Jesus. If you think that they are equal then all other scriptures given before are false? Peace Mrs,IM4Truth
Quote (Cult Buster @ July 12 2007,01:25) There has on this forum been much confusion between Christ’s mission or “office” as Messiah and that of His substance which is The Eternal God. Some myopically focus on Christ's incarnation as a man, yet they ignore the overwhelming evidence of His deity. When confronted with these truths they then try to “dance around” them.
Its easier to dance with 1 than 3. You have to divide your time up and who is to say if the treatment will be equal?Quote When Christ was to leave heaven and was to take the form of a man He did not cease to be God. He simply put aside His own divine power and was dependent on God for power. This makes Him our example to follow because we too are to depend totally on God. Some on this forum just want to look at Bible verses that are in the context of Christ mission as Messiah but don't like when shown the multitude of scripture identifying Him as the divine Jehovah God. They wish that He will stay eternally incarnate. For some, this is willful blindness which is sin.
Scripture please. There are verses that imply upon first reading that Yeshua is God, but none explicity say “Jehovah God”.Quote Jesus Christ is the creator, not a creature and will always be equal to the Father in this sense. Jn 1:1 says, “and the word was God”.
Yeshua was Son of God, Son of Man. He still is, but its not certain what his form is at this. The Word inhabited Yeshua, but there is no indication that Yeshua as we know know existed before his earthly birth.Quote However, before the incarnation, Jesus made a choice to submit to the Father as His head. He had to live in His humanity as a man depending on God for power. Jesus did not give up being God, He was subject to and obeying the Father while living as a man or within the context of He being Messiah and High Priest which is still continuing
Scripture please. This is a popular belief, that Yeshua made a choice before coming to Earth, but there is no scriptural evidence that Yeshua, at any time and any form, did anything but his Father's will. Therefore, it was not his “choice”.Quote He had to overcome Satan while living as a man. Christ did not come to earth to show what a God can do, but what man can do when he depends on God for power. He succeeded where Adam failed.
That's OK, but it begs the question of why Satan merely called him “Son of God” and not “God”. Satan had access to God's throne, he would have known that God had come down and taken on flesh.Quote A human body was fashioned for Christ. A body which had sinful propensities just like ours. A body less than what Adam had, weakened by the curse of sin.
This is the biggest weakness of the implication of God coming in the flesh. If we truly believe Yeshua was God in the flesh, how could be ever hope to be like him? Why not give up now? Yet if he was really what He said he was, then there is hope. Yes he was born of the Holy Spirit and Man, but so to are we when we are reborn (see John 3). Our earthly birth is flesh and under the dominion of the god of this world, Satan. Yeshua did not require this rebirth because he was born of the Holy Spirit.Quote Christ condemned sin in the flesh. He resisted sin. Don’t forget that He laid aside His divine power and did not use it for His own benefit, overcoming temptation relying on God for power. We too can resist temptation if we rely on God for power. Christ was our example.
Very good. Standing by itself, this paragraph is true. In your context, it is not. But true by itself.Quote 1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
He is indeed the image of the invisible God. But an image is not that which is imitated, it is but an image. Manifest simply means “revealed” or “to show or demonstrate plainly”. Are we not also to reveal God to the world, to reflect His nature in our daily lives? Yeshua was our example.Other verses snipped because I have addressed them all very recently.
Quote There are some instances in the scripture where Jesus calls the Father..His God and says the Father is greater than I. In these instances Jesus was encumbered with humanity or within the context of Him being the Messiah. Don’t forget that Christ is still ministering for us right now as our High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary. So His mission as Messiah and High Priest is not yet over.
Even within the Godhead each Divine Person recognise and have reverence for the other as God.
If Yeshua's Father was greater than him on earth, and you assert he still is, how can he then be co-equal? Last that I looked “greater than” does not mean “equal”. Unless you are using the math entity “greater than or equal”
.Quote [b]Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. The phrase “O God” is a worshipful phrase indicating the reverence each Person of the Godhead have one for another. Each recognises the other as their God. Each are willing to submit one to the other.
Take a moment and read Psalm 45. This quote was pulled from that. If the writer of Psalm 45 called an earthly king “O God”, then we must either have many more Gods running around or “O God” here doesn't hold the power you think it does.Quote Jesus said. Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Joh 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
If only he had said “I, the Holy Spirit, and my Father are one” we'd be cooking with gas. Shame Yeshua left the HS out here. Maybe the HS was a “johnny-come-lately” to the Trinity scene.Quote Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God The Pharisees understood that Jesus was claiming deity and equality with God, that is why they tried to stone Him.
Jesus could have told them that they misunderstood Him, but He didn't. Jesus knew that the Pharisees understood His assertion of deity and did not correct them.
Jesus could have said “Listen fellas, you misunderstood me. I was not blaspheming by claiming to be God.” But Jesus did not correct them, thus confirming His deity to them.
It seems that the Pharisees had better understanding of Jesus' words than many on this forum.
Haha, good one. Why did you stop with 10:33 and then proceed to put words into Yeshua's mouth? He then went on to remind them that representatives of God were called gods in the OT. Very, very vital. There is an important lesson here: Yeshua claimed equality with these OT representatives, NOT God! That is why he reminded them. Yeshua did indeed come to represent God during his ministry on earth. If it was just about his death, his ministry would not even be necessary and certainly not recorded.If you think Yeshua brought the OT reference up to waylay them, then you are accusing him of deception. Deception is sin. Yeshua did not sin.
Snipped more redundant paragraphs (you already used them earlier in the post).
Quote The Father would maintain the head position and He would become the central One to pray to. He does not minister to us in the direct way of the Son and Holy Spirit. He would not have the central focus to save mankind and to eventually be as highly exalted as the Saviour. He is self effacing in this respect.
Therein lies the danger of taking our focus off of YHWH. Can you not see the road you are travelling down by this very statement? You are saying the Father is to “fade into the sunset”. Sure, pray to Him, but He then just becomes the invisible God — cold, lifeless, and impersonal. Be careful, you may be treading the waters of idol worship.Quote Each member of the Godhead took on a position that was selfless to the extreme and thus revealing the character of God. Jesus said
Luk 22:69 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.
The right hand of power is metaphor meaning that all authority belongs to Christ. That is all authority. Can you imagine the Godhead relinquishing all their authority to a created being? Of course not! Jesus is Jehovah God.
We can see how self effacing each Person of the Godhead is to be willing to submit one to the other.
Its a good thing Yeshua still holds the Father in high esteem and calls Him “My God”. Seems many others aren't any more. “Yeah, the Father, he was cool and all, but now we've got Jesus. The Father is just so old school”.The rocks will soon cry out.
I'm a Christian. I do my best to pattern my life after Yeshua, and not those who followed him. He is our example. If affirmed to Satan that the LORD God is the only one to be worshipped (Luke 4:8), I will go with his words over the actions of those who may have fallen at his feet. Yeshua never once told others to worship him.
Snipped other verse I have already addressed.
Quote We sometimes see statements like 1 Pet. 1:3, RS: “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ!”
John 5:26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,
This is also in the context of Christ mission as Messiah.
In these instances Jesus was either encumbered with humanity or within the context of Him being the Messiah. Don’t forget that Christ is still ministering for us right now as our High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary. So His mission as Messiah and High Priest is still continuing.
So you say it. Then he is not equal to the Father yet then. As such, he fails to be part of this Trinity doctrine.Quote 1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. These verses and others have been utilized historically by the Arians (of whom Jehovah's Witnesses are a revival), to try to “prove” that Jesus is lesser than the Father and therefore not God in the flesh.
Upon closer inspection, however, a clearer picture emerges.
See the following.In 1 Cor 15:28, the subjection spoken of is that of the Son as incarnate, not the Son as Son in essence.
Interesting considering that Paul came after Yeshua's death and ascension. Are you saying Paul was talking about Yeshua before his death? That's a stretch.Quote While this verse tells us that God will be “all in all,” Colossians 3:11 tells us that “. . . Christ {is} all, and in all.”
Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
This says that Yeshau was Messiah for all people, and as such, will be in all who accept him so that we may be bound together in the Body of Christ.Quote Consider the verse
“it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell” (Col. 1:19)
In the KJV the words “the Father” are in italics which means that they were provided by the translators. There is no evidence that they belong there at all. There are no Strongs number because the words do not exist.
See the Literal Translation Bible
Col 1:19 because all the fullness was pleased to dwell in Him,
Why is this here? To show us the word “Father” was inserted by the KJV translators? Is this just a sidenote Bible lesson?Quote JOHN 5:23 That all {men} should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father.
Yet I'm starting to see most on here who adhere to the Trinity doctrine honoring the Son instead of the Father. Dangerous ground I would say.Quote JOHN 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Thomas saw the “image of the invisible God”. Why did the other Apostles not call Yeshua God? Maybe this one occurance by one Apostle was not really that significant to anyone else in the days the NT books were penned? If it was all people claim it to be, all of the Apostles would be scurrying to call Yeshua “My God”. Why do we not see that?Snipped your other redundent verses.
kejonn….> do not let go of what you have, today you hardly ever hear God The Father ever mentioned any more, they
(TRINITARIANS , have repaced Him with Jesus, which is no more than act of Idolatry. as shown in 2Thes2my our God continue to Keep You and Bless you…..gene
Gene… Amen to that. Even tho I mention Christ in Prayer, but it is through Him to our Heavenly Father. Very sad to me. It is very hard to convince People how wrong they are. I have come to the conclusion, that unless the Father calls you, you can't see the truth.
In Christian Love Mrs. IM4Truth
Mrs.Im fortruth….You are exactly right, if God does not open someones eyes they just can't get it. trinitarians can't even go back and look at all the blood shed they commeted, of course they would say if we were there we would have never done those things, but their the desendents of them who did those things, kind of sounds like what the pharisses told Jesus, but their Idology shows they are the very desendents of those same trinitarians.
any i glad i finally found a web site where i can communicate with brothers and sisters who have the spirit of truth in them.
peace to you, you are an encouragement…..gene
kejonn…..> where it is say's that Christ may be all and in all, should have read (that the anointing may be all and in all).
all original Greek was written in chaptials letters and the translators who were trinitarians used this to mean Jesus instead of the annointing this is also done where it says, Christ was the rock that followed them in the wilderness, when in fact it was the annointing, or God that was the rock that follow them. there are many places in Pauls writtings where this is also done. instead of taking what the simple word means they captialize it and make it into a person, whereever it would fit their trinitarian belief system.peace to you….gene
Quote (IM4Truth @ July 12 2007,03:22) Laurel! First I am happy for you, that God is with you, that you pray all Day etc. That is what Christians do.
We are predestined to be called. Since so many on this Forum do not believe in what the world teaches, I feel that they have been called. But many are called, but few are chosen.I am going to try one more time to show you some scriptures why we are not under the old Covenant any more, and that covenant was written for Israel.
HEBREW 7:12 FOR THE PRIESTHOOD BEING CHANGED, OF NECESSITY THERE IS ALSO A CHANGE IN THE LAW.
EXODUS 24:12 THEN THE LORD SAID TO MOSES,”COME UP ON THE MOUNTAIN AND BE THERE:AND I WILL GIVE YOU TABLETS OF STONE, AND THE LAW AND THE COMMANTMENTS WHICH ARE WRITTEN, THAT YOU MAY TEACH THEM.”
EXODUS 31:13 SPEAKING ALSO TO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL SAYING SURELY MY SABBATHS YOU WILL KEEP, FOR IT IS A SIGN BETWEEN ME AND YOU THROUGHOUT YOUR GENERATION, THAT YOU MAY KNOW THAT I AM THE LORD WHO SANCTIFIED YOU.
VERSE: 16 THEREFORE THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL SHALL OBSERVE THE SABBATH THROUOUT THEIR GENERATION AS A PERPETUAL COVENANT.
VERSE 17 IT IS A SIGN BETWEEN ME AND THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL FOREVER ETC.EXODUS 34:27-28 THEN THE LORD SAID TO MOSES,” WRITE THESE WORDS FOR ACCORDING TO THE TENOR OF THESE WORDS I HAVE MADE A COVENANT WITH YOU AND WITH ISRAEL.”
VERSE 28 SO HE WAS THERE FOR FORTY DAYS AND NIGHTS HE NEITHER ATE BREAD NOR DRANK WATER. AND HE WROTE ON THE TABLETS THE WORDS OF THE _COVENANT THE TEN COMMANTMENTS._WE ARE NOW UNDER A NEW COVENANT
JOHN 13:34 A NEW COMMANDMENT I GIVE ON TO YOU, THAT YE LOVE ONE ANOTHER: AS I HAVE LOVED YOU, THAT YE ALSO LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
JOHN 14:15 IF YE LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMENTMENT.
JOHN 15:12 THIS IS MY COMMANTMENT, THAT YE LOVE ANOTHER, AS I HAVE LOVED YOU.
GALATIANS 4:23-26 BUT WHO WAS OF THE BONDWOMAN WAS BORN ACCORDING TO THE FLESH AND HE OF THE FREE WOMAN THROUGH PROMISE
VERSE 24 WHICH THINGS ARE SYMBOLIC FOR THESE ARE THE TWO COVENANTS; THE ONE FROM MOUNT SINAI WHICH GIVES BIRTH TO BONDAGE, WHICH IS HAGAR
VERSE 25 FOR THIS HAGAR IS MOUNT SINAI IN ARABIA AND CORRESPONDS TO JERUSALEM WHICH NOW IS AND IS IN BONDAGE WITH HER CHILDREN
VERSE 26 THE JERUSALEM ABOVE IS FREE, WHICH IS THE MOTHER OF US ALL.GALATIANS 5:1-4 STAND FAST THEREFORE IN THE LIBERTY BY WHICH CHRIST HAS MADE US FREE AND DO NOT BE ENTANGLED AGAIN WITH THE YOKE OF BONDAGE.
VERSE 4 “YOU HAVE BECOME ESTRANGED FROM CHRIST, YOU WHO ATTEMPT TO BE JUSTIFIED BY LAW;” YOU HAVE FALLEN FROM GRACE.In closing I like to say:” When you read the Sermon on the Mount, it shows me that so much more is expected of us then just to keep the letter of the Law. We are to Worship Him in SPIRIT and in TRUTH not just Truth. There are Scriptures that supports my belief and I hope some other member will help our, I am getting tired, my old bones are beginning to hurt.
In Christian Love Mrs.IM4TruthQuote GALATIANS 4:23-26 BUT WHO WAS OF THE BONDWOMAN WAS BORN ACCORDING TO THE FLESH AND HE OF THE FREE WOMAN THROUGH PROMISE
VERSE 24 WHICH THINGS ARE SYMBOLIC FOR THESE ARE THE TWO COVENANTS; THE ONE FROM MOUNT SINAI WHICH GIVES BIRTH TO BONDAGE, WHICH IS HAGAR
VERSE 25 FOR THIS HAGAR IS MOUNT SINAI IN ARABIA AND CORRESPONDS TO JERUSALEM WHICH NOW IS AND IS IN BONDAGE WITH HER CHILDREN
VERSE 26 THE JERUSALEM ABOVE IS FREE, WHICH IS THE MOTHER OF US ALL.Paul is speaking of the laws that Christ fulfilled. Where in the Ten commandments does it speak of food or moons or even Sabbath dayS.
Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Gal 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
Gal 4:11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.If Paul IS speaking of the Ten Commandments then he is a hypocrite:
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.Paul was never without the law of God!
1Co 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
Those who are without the law of God cannot please God.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.Here is the fruit of the love for God.
1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Then it is only the true church that keep God's commandments.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The saints who go through the tribulation will be keeping the Commandments of God.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Who will have a right to the tree of life?
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Now how can the Ten Commandments be done away with?
Has heaven and earth passed away?
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.Brother lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
IHN&L,
Ken
Ken I am talking about the new covenant that we are under, that we no longer under the old. I gave plenty of Scriptures to support my beliefs. I dont know what you mean were did I say about food ore moons etc.? All of my Post is about the old and the new covenants. All I did gave you alot of sciptures what I mean. I just dont know what you are talking about Brother. You sit in your Bathtub and swim. This is my lost post. I have enough, I dont deserve to be insulted like that. The new commantment that Christ gave us to Love God and Lovethy Neighbor as tyself. Ken you are not a loving Brother when you make comments like that.
Quote (IM4Truth @ July 12 2007,11:29) Ken I am talking about the new covenant that we are under, that we no longer under the old. I gave plenty of Scriptures to support my beliefs. I dont know what you mean were did I say about food ore moons etc.? All of my Post is about the old and the new covenants. All I did gave you alot of sciptures what I mean. I just dont know what you are talking about Brother. You sit in your Bathtub and swim. This is my lost post. I have enough, I dont deserve to be insulted like that. The new commantment that Christ gave us to Love God and Lovethy Neighbor as tyself. Ken you are not a loving Brother when you make comments like that.
Brother if you find that harsh then this is not the place for you.All I did was give scripture and say not to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
Meaning that you were once in the WWCG where you kept ALL the old testament laws and now you have gone completely to the other side whith no laws at all!Do you think God got writer's cramp or may be He ran out of stone tablets? I gave scripture showing Paul keeping the Ten Commandments to show what law Paul speaks about when saying that the law is done away with. That's why Peter said Paul's writings are hard to understand.
2Pe 3:15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
2Pe 3:16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
2Pe 3:17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.I didn't know you were so touchy about the truth!
IHN&L,
Ken
Ken! I was not going to Post anymore, but I have to set the record straight. I never said that I was without the Law. I said that we are under a new covenant. Look up the scriptures yourself you know it all. I very much believe what Jesus taught on the Sermon on the Mount. Have you read it? I am so sorry that I shared some of my experience with you. Labeling someone is never right. You sure have a lot to learn yet. If someone shows me scripture and I can prove it, I will believe, but not the way you come across. As far as us being in the W.W.C.of God, you have no business judging why we left that church. I also wonder how many People have come through this Forum and left, because of what just happened to me.
Good Luck you are going to need it, I will pray for youQuote (IM4Truth @ July 12 2007,14:19) Ken! I was not going to Post anymore, but I have to set the record straight. I never said that I was without the Law. I said that we are under a new covenant. Look up the scriptures yourself you know it all. I very much believe what Jesus taught on the Sermon on the Mount. Have you read it? I am so sorry that I shared some of my experience with you. Labeling someone is never right. You sure have a lot to learn yet. If someone shows me scripture and I can prove it, I will believe, but not the way you come across. As far as us being in the W.W.C.of God, you have no business judging why we left that church. I also wonder how many People have come through this Forum and left, because of what just happened to me.
Good Luck you are going to need it, I will pray for you
I don't judge I point out scripture and it is the Word that judges. Do you keep the Ten commandments OR do you believe that your love has done away with God's law?If I offended you I certainly did not mean too on the other hand if the truth bothers you I wont waver from the truth that I have been shown and to share with others.
As far as you won't post to me that's fine but I assure you will read what I post, wanna bet
I have NO problem appologizing but in this case I truely don't know what I did wrong but quote the Word of God!
You should pray about your attitude. You are acting as a babe when corrected. All this bickering over nothing does nobody any good so please don't post to me if all you are going to do is cry. You cannot be a babe in Christ and survive on this board sorry but that is the truth.
IHN&LOVE,
Ken
kenrch & Im4truth…..> I think i might have somthing that might resolve so of the issues of the Law.
i use to get somewhat comfussed when i would read some of Paul's writting about the subject let me explain.
on the one hand Paul say's by works of the law shall no flesh be justified before God. and again whosoever is under the law is under a curse.plus other scriptures.
On the other hand he say's, do we then nulify the law, God forbid we establish it.
this is a counterdiction right, so there must be somthing wrong. and there is but it is easly solved.
the translators added the definite article (the) in places where it shoud not be. and good Greek lnterlinear will show you where this happened. now lets read it again where the definite articles improperly placed are taken out.
Paul say's by works of law shall no flesh be Justified before God. why? because law means (forced compliance) that's what law is .in simple language Paul was saying, being forced to obey (the law )i.e.ten commandments through workings of law (forced compliance)will not justify us before God , why because your being forced to keep them.
he was not talking about should we or should we not keep the Law (ten commandments) he was talking about how we keep them. get a GreeK Interlinear and check it out.
the love of God poured out into our hearts gives us the ability to properly keep the law (the commandments) of God and that way does justify us before God.
grace and peace to you both ……gene
Hi gene,
We are justified by the completed works of Christ as far as the Law is concerned and we who are in him inherit because of him. Now we rest in the Spirit and let God show us what He means. What we must not do is enter the deception that we must strive to please God unto salvation by works as that is not of faith, and what is not of faith is of sin.Quote (IM4Truth @ July 12 2007,14:19) Ken! I was not going to Post anymore, but I have to set the record straight. I never said that I was without the Law. I said that we are under a new covenant. Look up the scriptures yourself you know it all. I very much believe what Jesus taught on the Sermon on the Mount. Have you read it? I am so sorry that I shared some of my experience with you. Labeling someone is never right. You sure have a lot to learn yet. If someone shows me scripture and I can prove it, I will believe, but not the way you come across. As far as us being in the W.W.C.of God, you have no business judging why we left that church. I also wonder how many People have come through this Forum and left, because of what just happened to me.
Good Luck you are going to need it, I will pray for you
Im4At least he didnt call you a daughter of the harlot!
Nick,
The Torah is our instructor, our teacher, a light to the people. Without it we would not know what the definition of sin is. Now that we know what it is exactly, we know what we should and should not do.
Following YHWH's commands does not erase the sin we committed before we knew the law. It keep us from comitting more sin when be obey it. Our sin can only be covered by the works of the Son, since He is our Mediator who's sinless blood was shed for us. When will you stop belittling the perfect law of YHWH. The law Y'shua taught and lived by, and died by. It is important to our salvaltion.
It is the man-made laws like the ones the Pharisees made, that were nailed to the cross, not the perfect laws of the Father!!!!!!!
Y'shua Messiah said the unleavened bread represented the body who does not follow after the doctrine of the Pharisees. Leaven represents the opposite of truth. Read Matt. 16:4-12.Hi L,
Jesus is our teacher.
He erases our sins and makes us white as snow.
And he cleanses us from continued sin as we confess.Quote (IM4Truth @ July 12 2007,00:55) IS8 I think We do only have one HEAVENLY FATHER WHO IS ABOVE ALL EPHESIAN4:6 and we have ONE JESUS CHRIST EPHESIAN 4:5 When Thomas said My Lord and My God He was given Christ honor because He had just risen from the dead. He deserves that and He is our Savior and our High Priest and Mediator between God and us. Now we can go directly to the Throne of God. Before only the High Priest was able to do so, and only once a year for the forgiveness of Sin. Jesus said that when you worship me you worship the Father. But so many only worship the Fathers creation rather the His Creator,God the Father. He created through His Son Jesus Christ, but the Power behind is our ALMIGHTY GOD AND FATHER. When I pray I pray through Jesus Christ. Jesus is the Son Of God not the ALMIGHTY GOD. That is what I thought what Steve”s understanding is. Since I agreed with Him, I took the prerogative to answer you.
Peace Mrs.IM4Truth
Okay….But my assertion still stands.
1. In John 20:28 Thomas declared Yeshua to be his Lord and God.
2. A Jewish monotheist has only ONE personal God, namely YHWH.
3. It's therefore implausible to think that Thomas had acquired another God.
4. So Yeshua must be true God.
Which of the above points is incorrect in your opinion?
Blessings
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