The Trinity Doctrine

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
You offer us a divine man we cannot follow.
The Son surely was given perfect genes from his Father to go with the damaged genes from Mary but they are still human genes.
You are hung up with conception having to be the beginning for a being but many beings are not conceived and exist and existed before men.
The sons of God were there.

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 06 2007,16:01)

Hi not3, You offer us a divine man we cannot follow. The Son surely was given perfect genes from his Father to go with the damaged genes from Mary but they are still human genes. You are hung up with conception having to be the beginning for a being but many beings are not conceived and exist and existed before men. The sons of God were there.

I know I'm hung up on this conception thing. I know it must bore you at times, I'm sorry. But it really is one of the more important subjects. We have not all come to unity on which Jesus we serve, yet.

If you believe that God contributed genes to Jesus, then you must agree that Jesus is divine. What else would he be? Surely God's genes would dominate, no?

Other sons of God existed – yes – but they were not the beloved, begotten Son! Only to this beloved begotten does God say sit at my right.

[Not3in1]

Sure, you can follow the literal Son of God if you wish to. We can partake of the divine nature. We can be sons of God because we will be adopted. The Father “qualified” us to be adopted. How did he qualify us? By having a Son who is part him and part man. Now there is a bridge. God can adopt after his own “kind.” We could not be adopted before because God is not man.

Was Adam a true Son like Jesus? Was anyone in the OT eligiable for adoption the way we are? I don't know….

[Not3in1]

Would you hand over your business to a son whom you created (like Pinochio)?
Or would you hand over your business to a son that is part you, and who was born to you?

God will not say to an angel (son of God) – sit at my right. No! That position is reserved for his ONLY Son.

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
You say he was conceived divine and gave it up. Now you say we can follow him??

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 06 2007,16:31)

Hi not3, You say he was conceived divine and gave it up. Now you say we can follow him??

Sure. Why can't we follow him?

He is divine man. But he didn't use his privileges, did he?

He didn't give up being divine – it is who he is. But he did have control over whether or not he would use his privileges as such a divine man.

It's like the Prince who leaves the palace to live among the commoners…..is he still a Prince even though he works for a living and lives in a hut? Yes – still a Prince.

[NickHassan]

Quote (Not3in1 @ July 06 2007,16:22)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 06 2007,16:01) Hi not3, You offer us a divine man we cannot follow. The Son surely was given perfect genes from his Father to go with the damaged genes from Mary but they are still human genes. You are hung up with conception having to be the beginning for a being but many beings are not conceived and exist and existed before men. The sons of God were there. I know I'm hung up on this conception thing.  I know it must bore you at times, I'm sorry.  But it really is one of the more important subjects.  We have not all come to unity on which Jesus we serve, yet.   If you believe that God contributed genes to Jesus, then you must agree that Jesus is divine.  What else would he be?  Surely God's genes would dominate, no? Other sons of God existed – yes – but they were not the beloved, begotten Son!  Only to this beloved begotten does God say sit at my right.

Hi not3,
God is not human
God does not have human genes.
God does not have a physical human body.
But Christ is the physical Son of God by conception in Mary.

[Not3in1]

Wow – there are some new “features” to this site I've noticed. I've never before seen Nick edit his posts and now we can “report” posts to the moderator. Fancy.

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 06 2007,16:40)

Quote (Not3in1 @ July 06 2007,16:22) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 06 2007,16:01) Hi not3, You offer us a divine man we cannot follow. The Son surely was given perfect genes from his Father to go with the damaged genes from Mary but they are still human genes. You are hung up with conception having to be the beginning for a being but many beings are not conceived and exist and existed before men. The sons of God were there. I know I'm hung up on this conception thing.  I know it must bore you at times, I'm sorry.  But it really is one of the more important subjects.  We have not all come to unity on which Jesus we serve, yet.   If you believe that God contributed genes to Jesus, then you must agree that Jesus is divine.  What else would he be?  Surely God's genes would dominate, no? Other sons of God existed – yes – but they were not the beloved, begotten Son!  Only to this beloved begotten does God say sit at my right. Hi not3, God is not human God does not have human genes. God does not have a physical human body. But Christ is the physical Son of God by conception in Mary.

I agree wholeheartedly!

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Not3in1 @ July 06 2007,16:41)

Wow – there are some new “features” to this site I've noticed. I've never before seen Nick edit his posts and now we can “report” posts to the moderator. Fancy.

And not just that, but the first 5 reports win free membership on Heaven Net.

OK, that was a joke.

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
So is the son born of God and Mary supernatural or just a man?

Romans 5:15
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

[Proclaimer]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 06 2007,07:41)

If the Spirit is “What God is” then Jesus is What God is!

Nice try WJ, but your theory has once again failed.

Hebrews 1:14
Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

Are there millions of Gods?

Well there is one true or original God and he is Spirit and he is the Father of all spirits.

Hebrews 12:9
Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live!

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[Worshipping Jesus]

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 06 2007,07:41) If the Spirit is “What God is” then Jesus is What God is!

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Nice try WJ, but your theory has once again failed. Hebrews 1:14 Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation? Are there millions of Gods? Well there is one true or original God and he is Spirit and he is the Father of all spirits. Hebrews 12:9 Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live!

Nice try on your part. Scriptures do not say that the millions of spirits are Gods Spirit.

But scriptures say the Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God!

Rom 8:
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10  And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

[Not3in1]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 06 2007,17:31)

But scriptures say the Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God! Rom 8: 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Question for ya, WJ –

If God is three distinct persons; that is; they all have their own personality and so on, how is it that the “spirit” of God is the SAME SPIRIT as the “spirit” of Christ?

Are not God (the Father) and Christ two distinct persons? Should they not each have a “spirit” then?
They each have a “will” and a “mind.”

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Not3in1 @ July 06 2007,18:14)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 06 2007,17:31) But scriptures say the Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God! Rom 8: 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10  And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Question for ya, WJ – If God is three distinct persons; that is; they all have their own personality and so on, how is it that the “spirit” of God is the SAME SPIRIT as the “spirit” of Christ? Are not God (the Father) and Christ two distinct persons?  Should they not each have a “spirit” then? They each have a “will” and a “mind.”

Not3

Then you would have 2 Spirits wouldnt you?

We have been made to drink into “One Spirit”, not 2 nor three.

Yet we see that the Spirit of God is the Spirit of Christ.

Yet Jesus speaks of Another person called the Comforter!

We have the scriptures saying…

God is Spirit.

Jesus is the Spirit.

The Comforter is the Holy Spirit.

Yet there is only One Spirit in us!

What more can be said!

Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One!

[NickHassan]

Hi W,
Heb 12.9
” Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us , and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?”

God is the Father of spirits.
He is the living God, the Origin of life.
He pours His own Spirit of life into his sons
Our spirit is only lent to us and returns to God at death.

[Not3in1]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 06 2007,19:05)

We have the scriptures saying… God is Spirit. Jesus is the Spirit. The Comforter is the Holy Spirit.

This is where the Trinity concept loses me…..

In your quote you say that all three persons are the “Spirit,” yet you will not say that all three persons are the “Son,” or that all three persons are the “Father.” Why? This confuses me.

[Not3in1]

Actually, WJ, you didn't really answer my question.

We are told that we cannot know the mind of God, but that we have the mind of Christ (2 minds).
God's will is to crush; Jesus' will is that the cup is to pass him by (2 wills).

If each person in the Trinity has their own distinct personality, will, and mind………wouldn't they all 3 have their own “spirits” as well? Or does it look like this:

Father – own mind – will – shared spirit
Jesus – own mind – will – shared spirit
Spirit – own mind – will – ? the spirit that is shared?

[Not3in1]

My family and I are going on a vacation until later next week……

I'll check back then.

Press on towards the goal!

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