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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2007,09:01) I asked for you to give me one “thing” that exist that is totally singular and not plural?
I did!I said God Almighty.
Quote (Laurel @ July 03 2007,16:25) Can we move on now or are we gonna drink this milk untill the cow runs dry?
Whew! That was some post.Um, count me in for another bottle of milk, please.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2007,09:03) Then you show me how they can be explained another way!
I did!With the Thomas passage.
Quote (Not3in1 @ July 03 2007,16:44) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2007,09:01) I asked for you to give me one “thing” that exist that is totally singular and not plural?
I did!I said God Almighty.
Oh, I see you emphasized “thing” –Wow, I don't know? Where are you going with this? Are you trying to say that nothing is singular and so God cannot be One (meaning not made up of “parts”)?
I am a person. I am made up of body, spirit, soul/mind. But I am still ONE person.
When you parallel the Trinity with the above, it doesn't work, does it? God is one person. Is he made up of “parts” or other “persons”? It doesn't pan out, in my opinion. But feel free to teach me if I am missing your point.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2007,09:01) The bible dosnt say you and your husband are “one Spirit”. It says “one flesh”.
Right. But my point is that we are “one” in spirit. Do you think that we are actually the same person because we are one in the “flesh”? Or are we only “one” in the “flesh” when we are making love? What? I believe the “one in the flesh” refers to being “one in spirit.”Again, Jesus prayed that we can be one with him and God in the same way that Jesus is one with God. What do you think of that, I'm curious?
Quote (Not3in1 @ July 03 2007,16:55) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2007,09:01) The bible dosnt say you and your husband are “one Spirit”. It says “one flesh”.
Right. But my point is that we are “one” in spirit. Do you think that we are actually the same person because we are one in the “flesh”? Or are we only “one” in the “flesh” when we are making love? What? I believe the “one in the flesh” refers to being “one in spirit.”Again, Jesus prayed that we can be one with him and God in the same way that Jesus is one with God. What do you think of that, I'm curious?
not3in1 > you are absolutly right in what you are saying.Jesus and God The Father and all who have God The Father's spirit are one in spirit not one personage. And the thing that ties all together in the holy spirit which is the spirit of truth.
your brother in Christ Jesus, gene
Quote (Not3in1 @ July 03 2007,16:55) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2007,09:01) The bible dosnt say you and your husband are “one Spirit”. It says “one flesh”.
Right. But my point is that we are “one” in spirit. Do you think that we are actually the same person because we are one in the “flesh”? Or are we only “one” in the “flesh” when we are making love? What? I believe the “one in the flesh” refers to being “one in spirit.”Again, Jesus prayed that we can be one with him and God in the same way that Jesus is one with God. What do you think of that, I'm curious?
not3You create all these smoke screens instead of answering a simple question!
You said…
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One is OneSo obviously you are wrong and can not show me anything that is “Singular”.
Your answer was God. However “Elohim” is plural.
Jn 1:1 says that the Word was with God and was God!
There are many members of Christ body, yet we are one body!
Everything in the Universe is plural and yet One!
Plurality of unity! The creation itself reveals the Glory of God!
Quote (Not3in1 @ July 03 2007,16:49) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2007,09:03) Then you show me how they can be explained another way!
I did!With the Thomas passage.
Not3No you didnt! You give me your human theory!
You dont read it as it says, look again…
The problem that you have is Thomas didnt say…
“MY LORD AND MY FATHER”, did he?
Listen again…
Jn 20:
28 And Thomas answered and *said unto him*, My Lord and my God.This passage seems to be so distressing to the Unitarians and Henotheist and Arians.
If I was one I would be stressed to.
How do you explain these contradictions?
You need to start believing the scriptures for what they say my friend!
You critisize me for having a Trinitarian faith.
I back my faith up with scriptures without the usual twisting and resting and ignoring them.
Jn 1:1, Math 28:19, John 20:28, Acts 20:28, Hebrews 1:8, 1 Tim 1:1 1 Jn 5:20, are just a few scriptures that support the deity of Jesus.
The Apostle John who witnessed Thomas acclamation toward Jesus also recorded Jn 1:1 and 1 Jn 5:20.
You should let go of your “Unitarian” belief and trust the Spirit of truth to open the scriptures to shew you all things concerning himself…Jesus the Word/God who came in the flesh, the Lord from heaven, YHWH who was pierced according to Zech 12:10 and Jn 19:37.
Have you read these proof text?…
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;t=1278
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;t=1311
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;t=1375
Can you prove by scriptures that Jesus is not God?
Can you prove that the Trinitarian faith is false by scripture?
Please enlighten us my friend with your biblical proof!
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2007,17:12) You create all these smoke screens instead of answering a simple question!
Wow, I didn't think I was clever enough to create “smoke screens” – cool! Ha!WJ, I answer your questions to the best of my ability – I don't use tactics to avoid answering. If I don't give you the answer you are looking for, it's because I didn't understand the question, or I don't have the knowledge. Another possibility is that I just don't see it the same way you do.
Quote (Not3in1 @ July 03 2007,16:52) Quote (Not3in1 @ July 03 2007,16:44) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2007,09:01) I asked for you to give me one “thing” that exist that is totally singular and not plural?
I did!I said God Almighty.
Oh, I see you emphasized “thing” –Wow, I don't know? Where are you going with this? Are you trying to say that nothing is singular and so God cannot be One (meaning not made up of “parts”)?
I am a person. I am made up of body, spirit, soul/mind. But I am still ONE person.
When you parallel the Trinity with the above, it doesn't work, does it? God is one person. Is he made up of “parts” or other “persons”? It doesn't pan out, in my opinion. But feel free to teach me if I am missing your point.
not3You cant teach someone who has totally shut their mind to certain scriptures!
Scriptures should be taken literrally first and foremost!
Why don't you use YHWH when refering to the Head rather than God which is plural. It is important when trying to show someone that the trinity is false.
Every time you use the word God it is plural no matter how you say it.
The big thing is that we understand that we worship YHWH. And how do we worship YHWH? We respect His Name and namely His Son. Then we follow His commands.
Simple. So where's the cookies? I'm hungry.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2007,17:12) Quote (Not3in1 @ July 03 2007,16:55) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2007,09:01) The bible dosnt say you and your husband are “one Spirit”. It says “one flesh”.
Right. But my point is that we are “one” in spirit. Do you think that we are actually the same person because we are one in the “flesh”? Or are we only “one” in the “flesh” when we are making love? What? I believe the “one in the flesh” refers to being “one in spirit.”Again, Jesus prayed that we can be one with him and God in the same way that Jesus is one with God. What do you think of that, I'm curious?
not3You create all these smoke screens instead of answering a simple question!
You said…
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One is OneSo obviously you are wrong and can not show me anything that is “Singular”.
Your answer was God. However “Elohim” is plural.
Jn 1:1 says that the Word was with God and was God!
There are many members of Christ body, yet we are one body!
Everything in the Universe is plural and yet One!
Plurality of unity! The creation itself reveals the Glory of God!
Atom – Electron, Proton, Neutron
Space – Length, Breadth, Height
Matter – Energy, Motion, Phenomena
Sun – Light, Rays, Heat
Government – Legislative, Judicial, Executive
Tree – Root, Trunk, BranchesClearly, God is THREE! Right?
Gender – Male, Female
Light switch – On, Off
Life – Alive, Dead
Gravity – Up, DownClearly, God is TWO! Right?
Shall we build a case for the Quadrinity? Why not? Cars have four wheels, there are four seasons, the Bible is rectangular.
Clearly God is four! Right?
'Nuff said.
R.I.P Critical Thinking.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2007,17:19) You cant teach someone who has totally shut their mind to certain scriptures! Scriptures should be taken literrally first and foremost!
Amen to that, brother.I totally agree.
Quote (Laurel @ July 03 2007,17:31) Why don't you use YHWH when refering to the Head rather than God which is plural. It is important when trying to show someone that the trinity is false.
Every time you use the word God it is plural no matter how you say it.
The big thing is that we understand that we worship YHWH. And how do we worship YHWH? We respect His Name and namely His Son. Then we follow His commands.
Simple. So where's the cookies? I'm hungry.
YHWH is God.Am I totally missing something here? It must be that Greek thing again, huh?
Quote (Not3in1 @ July 03 2007,17:40) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2007,17:12) Quote (Not3in1 @ July 03 2007,16:55) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2007,09:01) The bible dosnt say you and your husband are “one Spirit”. It says “one flesh”.
Right. But my point is that we are “one” in spirit. Do you think that we are actually the same person because we are one in the “flesh”? Or are we only “one” in the “flesh” when we are making love? What? I believe the “one in the flesh” refers to being “one in spirit.”Again, Jesus prayed that we can be one with him and God in the same way that Jesus is one with God. What do you think of that, I'm curious?
not3You create all these smoke screens instead of answering a simple question!
You said…
Quote
One is OneSo obviously you are wrong and can not show me anything that is “Singular”.
Your answer was God. However “Elohim” is plural.
Jn 1:1 says that the Word was with God and was God!
There are many members of Christ body, yet we are one body!
Everything in the Universe is plural and yet One!
Plurality of unity! The creation itself reveals the Glory of God!
Atom – Electron, Proton, Neutron
Space – Length, Breadth, Height
Matter – Energy, Motion, Phenomena
Sun – Light, Rays, Heat
Government – Legislative, Judicial, Executive
Tree – Root, Trunk, BranchesClearly, God is THREE! Right?
Gender – Male, Female
Light switch – On, Off
Life – Alive, Dead
Gravity – Up, DownClearly, God is TWO! Right?
Shall we build a case for the Quadrinity? Why not? Cars have four wheels, there are four seasons, the Bible is rectangular.
Clearly God is four! Right?
'Nuff said.
R.I.P Critical Thinking.
not3LOL. Another rant.
Hey Sis, you are the one that said “one is one”.
Now you have changed your mind?
Hi W,
Jn 8
“54Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:”
So Jesus tells the Jews
that the Father is plural??Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2007,17:16) Can you prove by scriptures that Jesus is not God? Can you prove that the Trinitarian faith is false by scripture?
Please enlighten us my friend with your biblical proof!
You're kidding me, right? “Enlighten you…”? Impossible!“Biblical proof” is so subjective, WJ. You must know this by now – you have been on this board much longer than I.
Every scripture can and is debated.
It's like I told David earlier – I can bring a heap of scriptures to my posts like some do…….they will just be shot down and other scriptures brought to show another view.
The bottom line is, all scripture can lend itself to a variety of views. If you don't think this is so, then why do we have so many “brands” of Christianity?
I know you don't like my approach. I'm sure David thinks I am a Philosopher rather than a Bible student, and that is OK. I love God's written Word and I love his Son – the living Word! I know the scriptures that are brought up and debated here. I bring something different to the discussion. We are all different.
I will never dazzle anyone with my Greek knowledge, or bore you with lists and lists of scriptures we all know by heart. I say that there are many ways to interpret these scriptures that are brought up – and I like to discuss the many ways in which people see the “truth.”
If I drew two circles overlapping eachother, one is YHWH and the other Y'shua then I colored in all the space of them and between them royal blue, this blue is Elohim.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2007,17:49) Hey Sis, you are the one that said “one is one”. Now you have changed your mind?
What makes you think I have changed my mind?Oh! All I'm doing here is “ranting”? Well, thanks for that brother. That was awefully sweet of you. At least I'm posting original thoughts and not pasting the same post over and over again.
Ah….there I go again giving it back to you! Ha!
I swear that you and I could be true siblings. Good grief.This board just wouldn't be the same without you, WJ. And I mean that kindly.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2007,17:19) not3 You cant teach someone who has totally shut their mind to certain scriptures!
Scriptures should be taken literrally first and foremost!
not3in1 ..>thats just what trinatarians do they shut there minds and ignore all scripture evidence produces and hang on to sctiptures that can be taken different waysbut you notice they simple ignor scriptures like. Jesus saying in His prayer “for thou are the ONLY TRUE GOD, or 'the word i am speaking are not mine but the words of him that sent me.
or there is only ONE GOD and ONE MEDERATOR between GOD and MAN (THE MAN) Jesus Christ.
not counting hundreds of other scriptures that plainly show their is no trinity. the very thing worshiping jesus is saying about you is exactly what he is doing.
don't be decieved by this blind guide.
hang on to what you have and remember where it say's “because they recieve not the love of the truth (GOD) will send to them a (DELUSION) in order for them to believe (THE LIE) . God bless and keep you and i believe He will .
Your brother in Christ Jesus, Gene
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