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Jael, that is brilliant. But isn’t it only different perceptions? Can beliefs change? Of course they can.
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Ed,
Old English is probably a dead language and possibly extinct and may have been dead when the original manuscript of the AV of the KJV was written. The English we have today is considered a modern language as it still has native speakers.
Jael…..Another good post brother, yes manings of words have changed over years, that is call abridging our present english dictionary is call an abridge dictionary, for instance the word for queer, meaning a sexual pervert, is being changed to GAY. WHEN i was a kid that word gay meant happy.
Another word is Faith it has also changed, from a belief in something brought on by actual “evidence”, to a word that means anything you want to believe in, not requiring any “evidence”. I call that blind faith because it will produce nothing in your life but supositions and speculations. No wonder Jesus said “when the son of man returns will he find “faith”, on the earth”, i doubt it, because people don’t even know what it takes to have true FAITH, so they don’t even seek for it, they simply make up what they call faith, without any true evidence in them.
To precieve the truth about some scriptures it takes the SPIRIT OF TRUTH imo . That is how the true means of what is meant inscriptures is imputed into our minds.
Here is an example of how it works, many years ago i was reading in scripture where Jesus spoke about the unjust JUDGE, now the part where Jesus ask this qusetion , “and will God not avenge his own elct who cry unto him day and night, “though’ he terry long over them?” immediately the the SPIRIT OF TRUTH, reavealed to me that word “though” he terry long over them” should be “will” he terry long over them”, another words like the unjust judge did, so i did an extensive research and found the original word should have been, “will” not though.
Remember the words of Jesus “you shall ALL be taught by God”, ANYWAY GOOD POST JAEL.
peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi KW,
There is no need to despair.
When the morning star rises in our hearts we will have the keys to understand the written word.
A computer programmer writes a program to achieve a given task. Does the human language that program is written in matter as to the effect it has on the purpose of the task?
Absolutely not: English, Chinese, Arabic, Swahili…! The purpose of the task is achieved no matter what the language.
So also the scriptures.
JAEL….. Right, If the spirit of truth is the interpreter, it sure doesn’t make any difference, the outcome will always be the same.
peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Good answer, Gene. So you understand and respond with supportive example.
What then is it that the rest do not understand – and thence what else are they misunderstanding about the scriptures?
And consider this: Can anyone imagine that almighty God did not know that man would try to corrupt his ‘program’ – that almighty God would not put in place features to outline these corruptions? Goodness… even mankind provides ‘error-correction’ facilities in his computer programs and automated systems…
Is man greater than God?
OK, don’t ask a trinitarian since he will answer that Jesus (who he says IS God) said ‘These [miraculous and mighty] things you see me do [and I AM], you too will do… and GREATER things than these WILL YOU DO!! [yes, greater than me – greater than GOD!]
A Trinitarian told me Jesus was God because Jesus walked on water. It phased him not when I pointed out that Peter also walked on water…
A trinitarian told me Jesus was God because Jesus raised the dead. It phased him not when I pointed out that Elijah and Elisha each raised a dead person.
A trinitarian told me Jesus was God because Jesus was called ‘God’. It phased him not when I pointed out that the verse was FIRSTLY referring to King David (and only secondly by propheticy referring to Christ Jesus!).
A trinitarian told me Jesus was God because Thomas said to Jesus ‘My God’. It phased him not when I pointed out that JESUS CHRIST called Peter, ‘Satan’.
A trinitarian told me that Jesus was God because Jesus said he was the Son of God (I’m still trying to get him to explain how being a son of God mean you are that SAME GOD you are the son of… Does ‘son of the father’ mean you are ‘the father’??). It phased him not that Jesus called [Some of ] the Jews ‘Sons of the wicked one’. An important point here is that Jesus said that his reference was because ‘they did the works of the devil’… Similarly Jesus said he was ‘Son of God’ BECAUSE he did the works of the Father ‘… Thus he defined ‘A Son’ as meaning, ‘He who does the works of the Father’.
A trinitarian told me that Jesus was God because he forgave sins. It phased him not that Jesus said WE must FORGIVE the sins of others done unto US: ‘Father, forgive our sins AS WE FORGIVE THE SINS of other done unto us’.
A trinitarian told me that Jesus was God because Jesus did many great miracles. It phased him not when I pointed out that Jesus explicitly stated that these things were not of himself BUT THE FATHER (Point of fact: The Holy Spirit!!!) working IN HIM.
It seems therefore that trinitarians are completely unphased by absolute evidence of the failure of their so-called ‘proof’ of their ideology.
Jael….Yes,trinitarians are blind guides leading the blind and they have all fallen into a ditch, and go along grouping at the walls. You have it right brother.
peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
A computer programmer writes a program to achieve a given task. Does the human language that program is written in matter as to the effect it has on the purpose of the task?
Absolutely not: English, Chinese, Arabic, Swahili…! The purpose of the task is achieved no matter what the language.
So also the scriptures.
A good post. I can’t argue against it.
And consider this: Can anyone imagine that almighty God did not know that man would try to corrupt his ‘program’ – that almighty God would not put in place features to outline these corruptions? Goodness… even mankind provides ‘error-correction’ facilities in his computer programs and automated systems…
Is man greater than God?Thumbs up!
When are men going to listen to God?
If God sends an angel to declare that this day the Christ, savior, Lord, and son of God has been born, then listening to God would mean that we agree with the angel’s message right? But you do not. When will men listen to God? Good question. Some may never do that.
Now, dear friends, how could Jesus Christ be BOTH uncreated AS God AND created BY God AND with Jesus Christ being THE CREATOR of all things when Jesus Christ himself is described as being the ‘First OVER creation’?
Dear friends, ask yourself this question: ‘If Jesus Christ is supposed to have created everything, how comes he has to die an excruciating, humiliating, and fearful DEATH in order to become its ruler – to have it given to him as a reward for his noble and heroic deed BY THE FATHER (When the very word ‘Father’ means ‘Creator’ and ‘Giver of life’ and ‘Bringer into existence’… Who is it then that brought the created world into existence, who gave it life, who created it FOR THE SON…?!)
To me the answer is simple. Between God and creation is something else. God doesn’t interact with creation directly, but always uses agency. God is invisible and eternal, how is he suppose to shake your hand. He is not a man. He is not contained. Thus between God and Man is the Christ. The Logos. Wisdom. The son of God.
The head of the woman is the man, the head of man is Christ, and the head of Christ is God. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God.
This one between God and Creation is not God, but the only begotten of God. He is like God. In fact he is the image and representation of the invisible God but in visible form. He has a body and it is our hope that we eventually have a body like his. He calls us brothers while God calls us children. We are the sons of God and Jesus is the prototype son for which God will bring many sons into his glory.
Hi t8,
Your misunderstanding of the words of the angel
shows that you do not know what it means to follow Jesus.
Sit with Nicodemus.
Hello t8, can you elaborate a little bit more on what you said concerning a mediator between God and creation?
What is it you that causes you to draw your conclusion? Was this mediator (who, or, what) always present in this fashion?
It is certainly true that God does not interact directly with creation – always uses an agent to do his will. Can you put some meat on the bones of this presentation? Who (or what are or is) these (or this) agency? Angels, HIS Holy Spirit, a ‘God-man’, another ‘pre-existent eternally born god’ person’?
Or, a fully human person, born sinless and holy as was the original human, Adam? A man who proved himself better than Adam by refusing the temptation of sin and gaining the right to call himself ‘The Son of God’ and the privilege of fulfilling the scriptures whence God said, ‘Today,’ (at his baptism), ‘I have become YOUR FATHER and you have become MY SON’ because he showed himself worthy to become so – gained the right to become [a] True Son of God?
t8, can I ask if this mediator is the same one who gained the reward of becoming (prophetically) a mighty ruler over creation – a God, contextually, over creation? Or are you saying that this mediator created creation.
Im asking because you seem strangely vague in your supposition.
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