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There is one God and one Lord together as YHVH.
Hi LU,
Only in your dogma.
But scripture says God is one.
Who is the God of Jesus, the prophets and apostles?
If you believe that then your God is not Jesus’ when he explicitly stated that the Father is God and that Scripture cannot be broken both of what you doctrine implies are untrue.’
The Jews believed the same thing then as they do now and it agrees with Jesus’ words not yours.
On the other hand the imperial cult teaches that the king of kings is God not the NT. They are whose doctrine you have chosen to follow.
Nick, actually my “dogma” is scriptural. There is one God and one Lord together as YHVH. Deut 10:17
YHVH says it there.
Jesus tells us Himself, that they are one.
Deuteronomy 10:17
“For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.
YHVH, the God of Israel = the God of gods + the Lord of lords
Jesus is identified as the Lord of lords
Jesus tells us that the one true God (the Father) + Him (the Lord of lords) = 1
Two members = 1 God in the fullest sense.
The Word of YHVH was understood by the Jews as being YHVH just read the Targums (the Aramaic paraphrase of the OT) to see that this is so.
Abraham saw and spoke to YHVH in Gen 18. Yet no one has seen God the Father except the only begotten God who is Jesus.
YHVH is made up of two eternal members, one eternally existing within the other, then begotten from the other, begotten, not made. Father and Son, identical in nature. One was seen on earth, the other not seen on earth.
Regarding your question:
Was Jesus anointed with the Spirit of God?
Yes, Jesus was anointed with the Spirit of God according to the flesh.
And regarding your other question:
Who is the God of Jesus, the prophets and apostles?
The God of Jesus is His Father. The God of the prophets and apostles is YHVH as both the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the Father and the Son.
Jesus is not only the King of kings but He is the Lord of lords. The OT Jews understood the Lord of the sabbath as YHVH, you realize this right? The OT Jews also understood the Lord of lords as YHVH, you realize this too, correct? The NT identifies the Lord of the sabbath as Jesus and that the Lord of lords as Jesus. So, that means that I am in agreement with the believing Jews and you are not.
You’ll love this, Sabbath is preparation for the Lord to come. Old Testament Jews don’t believe that Jesus was the Messiah, something about his story didn’t line up, they thought he was a shady sort of character. You realize this, right?
So your not in agreement with an Old Testament Jew, your in agreement with a Messianic Jew.
But I shouldn’t hold that against you, telling you that your uneducated, and don’t have the slightest idea what your talking about. That would be quite rude to do to someone like yourself. You realize this, right?
LU….You need to make a study on the words lord, used in the scriptures, there are two words for lord, one is LORD (adonia) meaning the almighty God, the other is lord (adoni) mean a human ruler. Your mixing the two up,
Where scripture says the LORD, adonia (almighty God) said to my lord adoni (a human ruler) sit on my side until I “ADONIA) (ALMIGHTY GOD) make your enimies your FOOTSTOOL, that is where GOD THE FATHER IS SAYING TO JESUS , HE WOULD MAKE HIS ENIMIES HIS FOOTSTOOL.
peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Gene, the Sabbath is not a human. Jesus identified himself as the Lord of the Sabbath. I understand that there are human lords and they are different than the divine eternal Lord. Jesus IS the divine eternal Lord and is over any created type of Lord and over all creation. The Sabbath is His creation.
The Jews know that YHVH is the God of gods AND Lord of Lords, not all of them realize that Jesus is that Lord of lords. You don’t realize this either.
Please answer the questions I have been asking. Who is identified in the OT as the Lord of the Sabbath and the Lord of all?
Jesus’ twelve disciples are OT Jews. They did no more than a Russian citizen stops being a Russian.
A fair share of the Jews, especially in the U.S.A., are not OT Jews before. The majority are Reformed or Conservative traditions; both of which it can be said the worship me with their mouths but their hearts are far from me. Christians are just as bad. They also have zealots and pharisee-like traditions that at least have an outward form of worship for those that do more than pretend to worship them. In short they are not creditable witnesses.
I won’t vouch for Messianic traditions either as have there own equivalent of the other Jewish traditions as do Christians themselves.
I will Jesus’ words are often hard to understand but even when they are not many misinterpret them.
Take the cause of why Jesus claimed the Son of humanity was king of the Sabbath. The disciples plucked grain from a stalk and ate it as ate as Adam and Eve plucked fruit from a tree and ate it and yet the Pharisees accused them and by association Jesus of violating the Sabbath. It was an absurd charge unless you believe the first family also violated the Sabbath before they sinned. Jesus used it as a teaching moment to demonstrate that 1) The Sabbath was a give to humanity and not humanities ruler and 2) That just as King David was given authority to violate the law that forbid priestly food to him and his man so is the Son of humanity given authority to interpret the Sabbath Law.
I actually looked up the definition of Godhead in a dictionary and other translations do agree with the definition I gave to you. It is more about godliness and obtaining the same than about whether Jesus is God or not. A lot of what those that claim Jesus is God or a god is about godliness and not about Jesus being the one God. For example “I and the Father are one” which is another way of saying I am united with the Yahweh; the one true Got through his Spirit. It is called the unity of the Spirit; you know the one explicitly described in Ephesians to which believers belong. I do not know how it can be laid out any simpler that what Ephesians does.
By the way nothing you have said has resolved the real problem with your doctrine and that is that it is broken and Scripture is not.
Jesus stated the Sabbath has been made for man. That is not true of Yahweh though technically it was made for him as well.
Hi t8,
It would be good if you could clarify your position
without becoming an accuser of the brethren.
LU….Again, `I can tell you Jesus is refered to in the Old Testement as a adoni/lord (a human ruler) not ever as Adonia/Almighty God. Not even once in the Old Testement is he every refered to as such. Jesus said he had a God and it was not him, in fact he said that God was the “only” “true” God, which all other God’s are “false” Gods.
You must believe what Jesus clearly said and then you can get it right LU. There is “only” one God and one mediator between that God and man “THE MAN” Jesus Christ , how plain, how simple, can it get before you start to believe plainly written scriptures?
Come out of that deception that Jesus is a God, go back and reread my posts on 2Ths2. It’s clearly spelled out there, for all who have eyes to see. The false “IMAGE” of Jesus being a GOD, breakers the first commandment of God, “thou shall have no other God besides me”. If you chose to continue to believe Jesus is a God , then you will remain under the working of a spirit of delusion, sent to you by God himself, just as it says there.
All who teach Jesus as a God are IDOLARTERS and will never be accepted by God the Father nor Jesus, unless they repent. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…….gene
Hi Gene,
So.
2nd Thesalonians 2.
Concerning the day of the Lord (The return of Christ and the end of the world).
The day will not come until the rebellion.
The man of lawlessness revealed.
Man exalts himself over every object of worship.
Takes his seat in the temple of God (The temple is the body of each individual Christian).
Man proclaims himself to be God.
Mystery of lawlessness already at work.
The lawless appear by the activity of Satan: all power, deception, pretending signs and wonders.
God sends them a delusion.
They perish at the coming, for refusing to love truth and so be saved.Sounds like lawless Christians.
Is it “The Man of Lawlessness”, or “Men of lawlessness”? I think the later.Revelation 13:
An image is set up.
All the world worship the image.
Image of what?
Nations (see below).Revelation 17.
[7] The angel said to me, “Why marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast with seven heads and ten horns that carries her.
[8] The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is to ascend from the bottomless pit and go to perdition; and the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will marvel to behold the beast, because it was and is not and is to come.
[9] This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated;
[10] they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he comes he must remain only a little while.
[11] As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to perdition.
[12] And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received royal power, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast.
[13] These are of one mind and give over their power and authority to the beast;
[14] they will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful.”
[15] And he said to me, “The waters that you saw, where the harlot is seated, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues.
[16] And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the harlot; they will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire,
[17] for God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by being of one mind and giving over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
[18] And the woman that you saw is the great city which has dominion over the kings of the earth.”Not an individual man. Not a false image of Jesus. This is an image of nations.
Let’s put the term Godhead aside since we don’t agree on a definition. Obviously we understand things very differently.
I see YHVH defining Himself as the God of gods and the Lord of lords. I assume that you can also see that from this passage here:
Deut 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regards not persons, nor takes reward:
Paul identifies the Father as our one God and Jesus as our one Lord. John further identifies Jesus as the Lord of lords. Jesus declares that He and the Father are one. Peter identifies Jesus as the YHVH of hosts spoken about in Isaiah regarding the stone of stumbling.
Nothing broken about this…
Peter identifies Jesus as YHVH of hosts that Isaiah wrote about. The Father identifies Jesus as the YHVH that laid the foundation of the earth and that spread out the heavens with His hands.
You’re problem is not with me but with your lack of understanding these things.
Third time asking this with NO answer.
Please answer the questions I have been asking. Who is identified in the OT as the Lord of the Sabbath and the Lord of all?
Exodus 31:13 “You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, ‘Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the LORD, sanctify you.
Psalm 97:5 The mountains melted like wax at the presence of the LORD, At the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.
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